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« Reply #1 on: 09/16/2006 06:29 PM »

This is one of my favourite presentations on L2. It's like an ESAS report but you don't need the weekend off to read through it (no offense Dr Stanley ;) )

Maybe some of the images can go in here for those not on L2? There's enough to go round.
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« Reply #2 on: 09/16/2006 06:32 PM »

Yeah, I'm just working on cropping three selected images out of the full presentation on L2. We wanted to get this one turned into an article ahead of the massive news next week.
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« Reply #3 on: 09/16/2006 06:34 PM »

Larger images of Concepts 1, 2 and 3.
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« Reply #4 on: 09/16/2006 06:48 PM »

This is good stuff. I wonder what either NG or Boeing has come up with?

(or perhaps their PR about LSAM stuff is being stifled by corporate for some reason, maybe?)
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« Reply #5 on: 09/16/2006 08:22 PM »

Certainly is a very interesting set of concepts. The inflatable inclusion is a very good idea.
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« Reply #6 on: 09/16/2006 09:29 PM »

Wow really looks like LM wants to win it all. All really interesting concepts, especially Concept 1. Even those this contrct is years away, I would think NG feels it is the front runner for this one, since they built the last one. But so far NASA has not looked to who designed what in Apollo.
What I like about Lockheed's concepts are these could easily be modified to work on Mars as well. Concept 1 looks like it would actually be comfortable to live in.
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« Reply #7 on: 09/16/2006 09:45 PM »

LM's got some winners working on their concepts, that's for sure.
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« Reply #8 on: 09/17/2006 12:40 AM »

Reading the document, this is a work of art. Anyone know if the ESAS had three concepts during planning, or was it restricted to one as presented?
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« Reply #9 on: 09/17/2006 01:46 AM »

This makes we wonder if perhaps LM has something in mind with using a different lander for the moon and Mars. Best 2 out of 3 perhaps?
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« Reply #10 on: 09/17/2006 02:09 AM »

Probably, none of these configurations will fly.  NASA will determine the final config, just as it did for the CEV. and then have the contractors bid on building it.
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« Reply #11 on: 09/17/2006 02:10 AM »

I agree that a derivative of one of these lander concepts would be a viable option for a human Mars habitat.  Does anyone on L2 know if LM has given much thought to a Martian habitat yet?  

Of course, all this Mars habitat talk is in its infant stages because we just barely have the technology to land something as large as MSL on the surface, which is small compared to a Mars habitat.
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« Reply #12 on: 09/17/2006 02:42 AM »

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I agree that a derivative of one of these lander concepts would be a viable option for a human Mars habitat.  Does anyone on L2 know if LM has given much thought to a Martian habitat yet?  

Of course, all this Mars habitat talk is in its infant stages because we just barely have the technology to land something as large as MSL on the surface, which is small compared to a Mars habitat.

The excellent presentation deals with Lunar, but there are references to Mars.

"The eventual objective of the Vision for Space Exploration is to land humans on Mars. Initial missions to the
Moon should be conceived using a ‘Mars Back’ philosophy which first considers how Mars missions would be
performed, and then works backward to design the lunar mission in a manner which develops necessary technology
and demonstrates relevant operational approaches. Most details of a Mars mission are undefined, but two features
are common to nearly all recent Mars mission proposals: very long surface stays, and In Situ Resource Utilization
(ISRU). Demonstrating long duration surface stays on the Moon will require a lunar surface base..............

........... The crew transport function should be
thought of as a ‘taxi’ rather than a ‘camper.’ The lander should support the crew for short periods of time during
descent and ascent, rather than having the crew live in the lander for weeks at a time. The lander should also be
compatible with eventual transition to lunar-produced propellants in order to demonstrate ISRU operations for a
Mars mission, and to reduce the cost of ongoing lunar missions..."

..and so on.
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« Reply #13 on: 09/17/2006 05:15 AM »

At first glance, some of these concepts look like a kludge. But the more you read into it all and think; there are some good ideas there.
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« Reply #14 on: 09/17/2006 11:38 AM »

The first concept looks like it's a homage to Space 1999 :)
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