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DISCUSSION thread for Hispasat 30W-6 (Hispasat 1F) mission.

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Q4 2017 on Falcon 9 from (SLC-40?) at Cape Canaveral.  Payload mass is about 6mT, so it will probably be an expendable flight.

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Hispasat Press Release July 1, 2014:
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Spanish satellite telecommunications operator HISPASAT has chosen Space Systems/Loral (SSL) to produce the Hispasat 1F, to be located at orbital position 30º West. The Hispasat 1F will serve as a replacement for the Hispasat 1D and will give the Group additional Ku band capacity, in the Andean region and in Brazil. Likewise, the Hispasat 1F will expand the Group’s transatlantic capacity in Europe-America and America-Europe connectivity. Ka band capacity with European coverage will furthermore be incorporated, in order to enable HISPASAT to continue expanding its broadband service offer in the region.

The Hispasat 1F is expected to have a useful life of 15 years. The satellite will be built on the SSL 1300 satellite platform, with 11.5 kW power and a multi-mission payload distributed across:

    48 Ku band transponders, which serve three coverage areas:

 - Europe and North Africa, with coverage on the Iberian Peninsula, the Balearic Islands, the Canary Islands,  the Azores, Cape Verde and Madeira; Mauritius, Morocco, Mediterranean countries in North West Africa and  the large part of the European continent visible from 30º West.

 - The Americas, with coverage from Canada to Patagonia, not including Brazil.

 - South America, with coverage over the large part of the continent, especially in Brazil.

     6 Ka band beams, with coverage on the Iberian Peninsula, the Balearic and Canary Islands, North West Africa and South East and Central Europe.
    1 Ka BSS band beam, with coverage centred in the Iberian Peninsula.
    1 C band beam, with coverage centred in Brazil.

In the words of their managing director, Carlos Espinós, “HISPASAT is once again placing its trust in SSL, given the high-quality and reliability of their products. SSL has provided us with a compelling opportunity to team together. We are sure their 1300 platform is best suited for delivering the high service performance our company designed the Hispasat 1F to deliver. Furthermore, we are pleased to note that as a leader in geostationary satellite manufacturing, SSL benefits from Spanish built components on nearly all of its satellites”.

Indeed, John Celli, president of SSL, confirmed that “Hispasat 1F is the third satellite that SSL will build for HISPASAT and we are pleased to welcome our colleagues back to our facility. Our companies share a focus on quality, reliability and value and we look forward to teaming together again to build an outstanding satellite”.

The 1300 platform makes it possible to house a wide range of payloads for commercial communications satellites and its wide in-orbit experience serves to testify the high reliability it provides. In fact, the Hispasat 1F will be the Group’s third satellite to be built based on this experience. Furthermore, SSL’s expertise in manufacturing such large, complex satellites guarantees the Hispasat 1F will be delivered in line with HISPASAT requirements.
Hispasat page for 30W-6

[SpaceflightNow Sept. 15, 2015] ‘Big three’ nab commercial launch contracts
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The SpaceX launches will take off from Florida’s Space Coast some time between late 2017 and 2018, the company said in a press release.

A Falcon 9 rocket will send up an unidentified satellite for Madrid-based Hispasat, and the Arabsat 6A communications satellite to cover the Middle East, North Africa and Europe for Saudi Arabian operator Arabsat.
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Russian-owned, U.S.-based International Launch Services said Monday it won a contract to launch the Hispasat 1F or Amazonas 5 satellite for Hispasat in the first half of 2017 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.
It ended up being Amazonas 5 on Proton and Hispasat 30W-6 on Falcon 9.

[SpaceNews Oct. 10, 2016] Satellite CTOs dream of five-year-duration spacecraft (cost-cuts included)
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> Photonics experiments on Hispasat 1F, Amazons 5

Antonio Abad [Hispasat] : Let me say this about optical, just speaking in general orders of magnitude. With a Terabit-per-second satellite we are talking about 40-60 gateways. This can get down to four to six with optical communication.

I think this can be done in five years. It is something we have been talking about with U.S. industry and the European Space Agency is also working in this area.

I believe optical will come with very-high-throughput satellites.

But on photonics there is something that can be interesting if you are talking about a large satellite, say 500 receivers on it, you can imagine that on the receiver side of the satellite what that might be like with RF receivers. This can be very easily done with photonics.

We have been working with Space Systems Loral and Spanish industry, with a company specialized in photonics devices. We will be flying two demonstration elements for photonics use on the Hispasat 1F and Amazonas 5 satellites. So we hope to have flight experience very soon.

[Via Satellite 03-03-2016]
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Hispasat has entered a partnership with Quantis and its Moroccan subsidiary Nortis, a leading operator in data, voice and satellite Internet services in Spain and Morocco, to provide satellite broadband services in North Africa.

Per the agreement, Quantis signed for Ka-band capacity on the upcoming Hispasat 30W-6 satellite, formerly known as Hispasat 1F, until the end of its useful life, estimated at 15 years, at a cost of approximately $137 million (125 million euros).

Hispasat 30W-6 on Gunter's Space Page
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Launch mass in FCC filing is 6092kg.  (I saw that number on the Satbeams site and looked around for a source.)
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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

No way this goes on FH unless they delay it a year.  Most likely expendable.
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the launch will be on q1 2018 ?

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the launch will be on q1 2018 ?

Do you have a source for that?  (It wouldn't surprise me at all, but I haven't seen it reported.)

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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

That, or Block 5 does impressive things and manages this much while recovering the booster.

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Tweet from Stephen Clark
SpaceX sets Oct. 7 & 9 launch dates for next two Falcon 9 flights from East and West Coasts. Koreasat 5A in late Oct. confirmed from pad 39A

With KoreaSat 5A confirmed as launching from LC-39A, it appears the "return to launch" for SLC-40 will be Hispasat 30W-6, in late November or early December.

(Unless the next Dragon flight takes precedence.)

EDIT: Post #1000!

EDIT 2: Apparently, the next Dragon flight, SpX-13, takes precedence after all.
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Wow! She's a giant! Is that pretty much the top of the size range for commercial comsats?
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Wow! She's a giant! Is that pretty much the top of the size range for commercial comsats?

Heaviest are slightly under 7 T, so not really at the top, but pretty heavyweight. For immediate reference, see for example AsiaSat-9, who is being launched by a Proton on Sept 28th, at 6140 kg.
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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.

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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.

Well, an already booked customer could opt to switch to a flight-proven Block 3 or 4 for a cheaper (than new Block 5) ride that results in an expendable launch.  So I wouldn't venture "last expendable" just quite yet.

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Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
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Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
At over 6 tonnes? Quite unlikely.

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Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
At over 6 tonnes? Quite unlikely.

They have already tested super hot landings, some times crashing, but even when not, the stage is in bad shape. No need to test more, and better to keep their streak of successful landings going.

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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.
Well, there's always the possibility of ASDS downtime. Ship inspections, unplanned hydraulic fires, heavy seas, storm damage...

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Well, an already booked customer could opt to switch to a flight-proven Block 3 or 4 for a cheaper (than new Block 5) ride that results in an expendable launch.  So I wouldn't venture "last expendable" just quite yet.

Indeed. This seems like a good candidate for a block 3/4 expendable re-use. I'm still a bit surprised we haven't seen such an arrangement take place yet, given block 3s apparently aren't being reused more than once.

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