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Third launch of Soyuz-2.1v will occur from Plesetsk on 23th June 2017, according to my informations.
« Last Edit: 06/23/2017 09:00 AM by input~2 »
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Re: Soyuz-2.1v - 23th June 2017
« Reply #1 on: 06/03/2017 07:11 AM »
Is it carrying one of these payloads?

Geo IK-2 N3
14F150 N2
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Re: Soyuz-2.1v - 23th June 2017
« Reply #2 on: 06/03/2017 10:07 AM »
Is it carrying one of these payloads?

Geo IK-2 N3
14F150 N2
Could be 14F150 (whatever it is). The satellite has long been announced.
Geo-IK 2 13L with Rokot (according to NK-Forum)
« Last Edit: 06/03/2017 10:22 AM by Alter Sachse »

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Re: Soyuz-2.1v - 23th June 2017
« Reply #3 on: 06/03/2017 11:57 AM »
14F150 (whatever it is)*

*We have already discussed, I can not find the thread.
A. Zak writes: Napryazhenie (see 14F150) Nevilir-3U, Nevilir-P project (Geodesy)
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html

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Re: Soyuz-2.1v - 23th June 2017
« Reply #4 on: 06/03/2017 02:31 PM »
14F150 (whatever it is)*

*We have already discussed, I can not find the thread.
A. Zak writes: Napryazhenie (see 14F150) Nevilir-3U, Nevilir-P project (Geodesy)
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html


30.07.2015 - Soyuz-2.1v n°3L - Plesetsk 43/4 - 14F150 n°2

Hmm Stan has uncovered many of those product designations, but 14F150 isn't in the list....and it's #2 too....  :-X


Possibly geodesy?

See here:-
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic2063/message1385103/#message1385103

I noticed Mr. Zak has updated his website too (Google cache shows changes after June 10th), so I don’t know if that gives it legetimacy.

I overlooked this:-
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1.3. В целях расширения рынка сбыта выпускаемых приборов проводится согласование
протоколов разрешённого применения на применение приборов на КА «Спектр-РГ», «Нивелир-Л», «Напряжение-Л», «Резонанс», 14Ф01.
http://www.geofizika-cosmos.ru/assets/files/otchyotnost/godovoj-otchet-2013.pdf

So article 14Ф150 is satellite «Nivelir-L»?

Maybe it is a double satellite, №1 and №2?

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Re: Soyuz-2.1v - 23th June 2017
« Reply #5 on: 06/03/2017 03:47 PM »
14F150 (whatever it is)*

*We have already discussed, I can not find the thread.
A. Zak writes: Napryazhenie (see 14F150) Nevilir-3U, Nevilir-P project (Geodesy)
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_military.html


30.07.2015 - Soyuz-2.1v n°3L - Plesetsk 43/4 - 14F150 n°2

Hmm Stan has uncovered many of those product designations, but 14F150 isn't in the list....and it's #2 too....  :-X


Possibly geodesy?

See here:-
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic2063/message1385103/#message1385103

I noticed Mr. Zak has updated his website too (Google cache shows changes after June 10th), so I don’t know if that gives it legetimacy.

I overlooked this:-
Quote
1.3. В целях расширения рынка сбыта выпускаемых приборов проводится согласование
протоколов разрешённого применения на применение приборов на КА «Спектр-РГ», «Нивелир-Л», «Напряжение-Л», «Резонанс», 14Ф01.
http://www.geofizika-cosmos.ru/assets/files/otchyotnost/godovoj-otchet-2013.pdf

So article 14Ф150 is satellite «Nivelir-L»?

Maybe it is a double satellite, №1 and №2?
I can remember, but did not find it. Thank you !

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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #6 on: 06/19/2017 03:15 PM »
Any air/marine space closure notices out there that can hint on the launch window and target orbit?  ::)
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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #7 on: 06/19/2017 03:52 PM »
From NK:

23 Jun at 18:04:39 UTC
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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #8 on: 06/20/2017 01:25 PM »
Any air/marine space closure notices out there that can hint on the launch window and target orbit?  ::)

G3262/17 - ATS RTE B488 SEGMENT NUTLA - LIMUS CLSD. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1800-1900, 23 JUN 18:00 2017 UNTIL 24 JUN 19:00 2017. CREATED: 19 JUN 05:57 2017
G3263/17 - TEMPO DANGER AREA FOR ACFT FLT ACT WI COORD: 701800N0334900E-701200N0340800E-695400N0344300E-693300N0344700E- 692500N0341500E-693500N0333700E-695300N0330500E-701200N0331100E- 701800N0334900E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1800-1900, 23 JUN 18:00 2017 UNTIL 24 JUN 19:00 2017. CREATED: 19 JUN 06:01 2017
A2101/17 -  RECEIVED FROM MAIN AIR TRAFIFIC MANAGMENT CENTER OF RUSSIA: ROCKET IMPACT AREA IN THE BARENTS SEA: 7559N 02126E - 7550N 02202E - 7531N 02256E - 7521N 02252E - 7515N 02213E - 7524N 02129E - 7536N 02051E - 7550N 02030E - (7559N 02126E). GND - UNL, DAILY 1800-1900, 23 JUN 18:00 2017 UNTIL 24 JUN 19:00 2017. CREATED: 20 JUN 12:44 2017

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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #9 on: 06/20/2017 02:31 PM »
What results in the inclination ? 98° ?

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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #10 on: 06/20/2017 04:47 PM »
What results in the inclination ? 98° ?
Could be (as hinted when comparing with GEO-IK-2 launch)

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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #11 on: 06/20/2017 08:24 PM »
If current launch schedules, Russian and American, remain unchanged:

This payload's boost into orbit, with launch scheduled at 18:04 UTC, will still be in progress when the Falcon 9 carrying  BulgariaSat 1 lifts off approximately six minutes later.

Will the Soyuz Blok A still be in operation six minutes later?  Or will staging to the Blok I have already occurred?

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In a related question, have two orbital launches ever overlapped before?
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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #12 on: 06/20/2017 09:26 PM »
If current launch schedules, Russian and American, remain unchanged:

This payload's boost into orbit, with launch scheduled at 18:04 UTC, will still be in progress when the Falcon 9 carrying  BulgariaSat 1 lifts off approximately six minutes later.

[...]

In a related question, have two orbital launches ever overlapped before?

Yes. The shortest ever time between two launches was 82±30 seconds on 18 August 1960 - between a Thor-Agena from Vandenberg AFB and a Thor-Ablestar from Cape Canaveral. The Thor-Ablestar failed to orbit. The reason for the margin of error is that the Thor-Ablestar launch time is only known to the minute, while the Thor-Agena is known to the second. It could have been as little as 52 seconds, or up to 112.

The shortest time between two successful launches is 330±30 seconds (i.e. between 5 and 6 minutes), between a Tsyklon-2 launch from Baikonur and a Soyuz-U launch from Plesetsk on 16 September 1977. If Soyuz-2.1v launches at 18:04:39, and Falcon 9 launches at 18:10:00, the gap will be 321 seconds. So assuming success it would be within the margin of error for the shortest time between two successful launches.
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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #13 on: 06/20/2017 10:18 PM »
And remember that a Blue-Scout-2 suborbital launch occured from CCAFS less than one second after the launch of Gagarin !
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Re: tbd - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #14 on: 06/21/2017 04:32 PM »
The Soyuz should be at the launch complex

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Is this one still on track to troll the Falcon 9 launch?

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Re: Kosmos 2519 - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #16 on: 06/23/2017 04:45 PM »
Is this one still on track to troll the Falcon 9 launch?
AFAIK, Yes.
http://russianspaceweb.com/napryazhenie.html

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Re: Kosmos 2519 - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #17 on: 06/23/2017 05:59 PM »
We are now 5 minutes from the expected launch time. Scanning Russian news sources for any info about the launch...

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Re: Kosmos 2519 - Soyuz-2.1v/Volga - Plesetsk - June 23, 2017
« Reply #18 on: 06/23/2017 06:04 PM »
Schedule launch time was 18:04:33UTC. So, a secretive Russian satellite should be on its way to orbit if everything went as planned.
« Last Edit: 06/23/2017 06:40 PM by Satori »

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