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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #40 on: 12/24/2017 09:14 PM »
A little late in updating this as it slipped my mind but I have the full list of 13 semi-finalists in the M5 competition. Turns out the previous rumours were slightly wrong, ENVISION did in fact make it and no Jupiter mission got through
Alpha_Centauri, can you tell me where this is posted?

Posted? Well confusingly there are a few different lists doing the rounds on the internet, but as I understand it this is an example of the correct one from a CNES presentation to the French Astrophysics and Astronomy Society in July (page 35);

http://sf2a.eu/semaine-sf2a/2017/presentations/S00/CNES_2017.pdf


The other lists going round mostly have 12, missing e-ASTROGAM.  However the e-ASTROGAM people certainly seem to believe they are still in it, here is a presentation from October at the 2nd e-ASTROGAM workshop in Munich (the last downselect was announced to the teams officially in June);

https://agenda.infn.it/getFile.py/access?sessionId=3&resId=0&materialId=0&confId=13913


I updated my post on the first page of the thread with a little more information.
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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #41 on: 12/24/2017 09:24 PM »
Posted? Well confusingly there are a few different lists doing the rounds on the internet, but as I understand it this is an example of the correct one from a CNES presentation to the French Astrophysics and Astronomy Society in July (page 35);

http://sf2a.eu/semaine-sf2a/2017/presentations/S00/CNES_2017.pdf


Looks good but problem is it's all in French and no obvious option for translation.

-Correction, there are a few slides that are in English near the end including what I believe is the list 'kane was looking for.
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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #42 on: 12/24/2017 09:27 PM »
The page relevant to M5 (page 35) is mostly in English, probably copy-pasted from another presentation.
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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #43 on: 12/24/2017 10:20 PM »
A little late in updating this as it slipped my mind but I have the full list of 13 semi-finalists in the M5 competition. Turns out the previous rumours were slightly wrong, ENVISION did in fact make it and no Jupiter mission got through;

HEAVY METAL: Exploring a magnetized metallic asteroid
HERA:  Saturn Entry Probe Mission
JANUS. Exploring the asymmetric magnetosphere
DEPHINE: Deimos and Phobos Interior Explorer
SELMA: Surface, Environment and Lunar Magnetic Anomalies
ENVISION: Understanding why our most Earth neighbor is so different
e-ASTROGAM: At the hearth of the extreme Universe
ESCAPE: European SpaceCraft for the study of Atmospheric Particle Escape
GALILEO Galilei (GG): a mission to test the founding pillar of General Relativity to 10-17
CASTALIA: A mission to a Main Belt Comet
THESEUS:  Transient High Energy Sky and Early Universe Surveyor
SPICA: Unveiling the obscured Universe
ALFVEN: A mission to study particle acceleration in strongly magnetized plasmas

Downselect to 3 finalists is I understand in February 2018 after a 6-month delay due to the funding issues at the last ministerial conference. There were complications with the M4 final selection which was due in November that has also caused delay, so I would expect that result any time now.
Thank you.  Been wondering when something would happen with this call.  Surprising number of solar system missions (which tend to be more complex than astronomy or astrophysics missions).  I think it would be hard for Heavy Metal or Dephine to be selected given the Psyche and MMX missions.  The proposed M5 missions would do additional science compared to the approved missions, but I doubt it would be enough more to make either selectable.

Totally agree with your point about Heavy Metal & Delphine as they should be easy eliminations being as they are already been done by other missions.

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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #44 on: 12/25/2017 05:52 PM »
Totally agree with your point about Heavy Metal & Delphine as they should be easy eliminations being as they are already been done by other missions.

I'm actually curious about the timing of ESA's selection of these missions.  From their website, it appears it would have occurred after NASA's selection of the Psyche mission and JAXA's approval of the MMX mission.

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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #45 on: 12/25/2017 05:54 PM »
Totally agree with your point about Heavy Metal & Delphine as they should be easy eliminations being as they are already been done by other missions.

I'm actually curious about the timing of ESA's selection of these missions.  From their website, it appears it would have occurred after NASA's selection of the Psyche mission and JAXA's approval of the MMX mission.

That makes it a rather a curious choice in both cases.

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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #46 on: 12/25/2017 08:27 PM »
ESA has a two-stage process for selecting the finalists.

The first stage is the Technical and Programmatic review where it assess things like the cost of the mission, including technology development required, as well as if the development timeline fits ESA's schedule. This stage has nothing to do with the science, and its this stage that led to the downselect in June. As the science is not assessed, the fact there are missions that are now effectively duplicates is not taken into account. Because this downselect is effectively down to cost, a lot of the survivors are Earth Science missions, which for various reasons do not blow the cost cap. Heavy Metal and Dephine similarly survived because they did not blow the budget.

The second, current stage is when the science assessment is made as well as issues of programmatic balance. Here is where the prospective science return will be decided.
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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #47 on: 12/26/2017 02:29 AM »
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Re: ESA M5 Science Mission Competition
« Reply #48 on: 12/27/2017 08:52 PM »

Posted? Well confusingly there are a few different lists doing the rounds on the internet, but as I understand it this is an example of the correct one from a CNES presentation to the French Astrophysics and Astronomy Society in July (page 35);

http://sf2a.eu/semaine-sf2a/2017/presentations/S00/CNES_2017.pdf

The presentation also says that M6 has been cancelled due to budget cuts and cost overruns (Bepi Colombo and Solar Orbiter are mentioned).

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