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gladiator1332
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« on: 09/02/2005 05:55 AM » |
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Over at the Orbiter Forum, a project to simulate the SRB Launcher and the Biconic CEV concept has been in the works for the last month or so. An alpha version of the CEV and the first version of the SRB Launcher were recently released. I finally got around to trying these things out, and I have to say that I am really impressed by the authors work.
However, these models really give you a perspective of what this concept looks like. We have seen the 2D drawings and a small 200 pixel picture, but as far as I know, Orbiter offers the only 3D view of the CEV Biconic. (And its the only simulation of the spacecraft right now)
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« on: 09/02/2005 05:55 AM » |
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #1 on: 09/02/2005 05:56 AM » |
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Here are some images I captured of the stack on the Pad and just after liftoff:
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #2 on: 09/02/2005 05:59 AM » |
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Images of the ascent to orbit:
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #3 on: 09/02/2005 06:03 AM » |
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The CEV biconic on orbit and at the ISS:
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #4 on: 09/02/2005 06:05 AM » |
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Approach and landing:
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JamesSpaceFlight
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« Reply #5 on: 09/02/2005 06:37 PM » |
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Thanks for the pics. So would that be a modified Shuttle launch pad?
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Avron
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« Reply #6 on: 09/02/2005 07:03 PM » |
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JamesSpaceFlight - 2/9/2005 2:37 PM
Thanks for the pics. So would that be a modified Shuttle launch pad? I hope not, The STS launch pads I guess will be needed for the SDLV. This CEV looks simple enough to launch from say an old Oil platform... Don't need all the O2 and H2 tanks as its a Solid motor.. If they move it onto a mobile platform they can get away from the thunderstorms at the cape.. there may even be some spare used oil platforms after all is said and done in the Gulf around New Orleans.
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #7 on: 09/02/2005 08:09 PM » |
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That's just the default Pad 39. There are hi res Pad 39 add ons available though. Awhile back I put the SRB launcher on one of those pads and it really showed how much work NASA is going to have to do to get these things on there. The white room was obviously way to low, and was halfway through the upperstage.
Originally when I was going to post these images, I was going to use the hi-res pad, however, the Orbiter scenario wasn't loading, must be something with the new version of the SRB Launcher.
However, here are some images I took awhile back with the SRB Launcher on the hi-res pad:
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #8 on: 09/02/2005 08:14 PM » |
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Avron - 2/9/2005 3:03 PM
JamesSpaceFlight - 2/9/2005 2:37 PM
Thanks for the pics. So would that be a modified Shuttle launch pad?
I hope not, The STS launch pads I guess will be needed for the SDLV. This CEV looks simple enough to launch from say an old Oil platform... Don't need all the O2 and H2 tanks as its a Solid motor.. If they move it onto a mobile platform they can get away from the thunderstorms at the cape.. there may even be some spare used oil platforms after all is said and done in the Gulf around New Orleans. Since the SRB Launcher is going to be a lot less complex than the Shuttle, do you think there's a possibility of stacking this thing out at the pad like they do for the Delta IV? They can model the whole new Pad 39 off of LC 37, the SRB Launcher can be kept on site the whole time, without the need for pulling it all the way back to the VAB if a storm hits. Another advantage to this is that the entire VAB can be devoted to the Inline SDHLV.
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NASA_Twix_JSC
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« Reply #9 on: 09/03/2005 03:40 AM » |
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Wouldn't catch me launching on the end of an SRB.
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Avron
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« Reply #10 on: 09/03/2005 02:47 PM » |
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NASA_Twix_JSC - 2/9/2005 11:40 PM
Wouldn't catch me launching on the end of an SRB. How are they going to handle the G loading ? I must say its a real simple solution, these could be stacked and launched from a simple vertical support tower. I would risk a ride, where can I sign up?
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Stardust9906
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« Reply #11 on: 09/03/2005 05:43 PM » |
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Avron - 2/9/2005 8:03 PM
JamesSpaceFlight - 2/9/2005 2:37 PM
Thanks for the pics. So would that be a modified Shuttle launch pad?
I hope not, The STS launch pads I guess will be needed for the SDLV. This CEV looks simple enough to launch from say an old Oil platform... Don't need all the O2 and H2 tanks as its a Solid motor.. If they move it onto a mobile platform they can get away from the thunderstorms at the cape.. there may even be some spare used oil platforms after all is said and done in the Gulf around New Orleans. Bear in mind that the second stage uses the J2S engine which does need LOX/LH fueling. Also I imagine it wouldn't be that easy stacking a segmented SRB on an oil platform.
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #12 on: 09/03/2005 07:51 PM » |
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And what about if an evac is needed? At KSC they either use the elevator or hop on a zip line. An oil platform would complicate things. Climb down the pad, then off the platform into a waiting boat...way to complex. No the best place for a manned launch remains at KSC. There is no reason at all to launch the SRB Launcher anywhere else.
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Stardust9906
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« Reply #13 on: 09/04/2005 12:25 PM » |
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Agreed. By the way gladiator1332 thanks for the images. I think I'll download the addon and give it a try.
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Avron
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« Reply #14 on: 09/06/2005 07:53 PM » |
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gladiator1332 - 3/9/2005 3:51 PM
And what about if an evac is needed? At KSC they either use the elevator or hop on a zip line. An oil platform would complicate things. Climb down the pad, then off the platform into a waiting boat...way to complex. No the best place for a manned launch remains at KSC. There is no reason at all to launch the SRB Launcher anywhere else. A splashdown used to work? It was good for Apollo in an evac.. I think why not open up the restraints for launch... make it flexable.. Man look at the the afternoon weather at KSC..
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