Author Topic: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES  (Read 57934 times)

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This is the main live update thread for Elon's landmark speech at the IAC. It will remain locked until just before the speech to ensure this is purely updates. Please use the other thread - linked below - for everything else.

One Stop Resource Page

Live Speech Updates - You're in it.

Speech Discussion Thread

Party Thread

NSF at the IAC Thread

SpaceX Mars Section



Key Baseline NSF News Articles for SpaceX and Mars:

Initial Raptor Engine Overview

SLS vs BFR  (2014)

Red Dragon/Falcon Heavy 2018

Reuse tech relevance to Mars Missions article



Other SpaceX resources on NASASpaceflight:
   SpaceX News Articles (Recent)
   SpaceX News Articles from 2006 (Including numerous exclusive Elon interviews)



L2 SpaceX Mars Resources:

  L2 SpaceX Section

 Key Master Threads: (please also consult All Vehicle Updates and McGregor (Raptor)) Sections

 L2 SpaceX BFR/MCT Envisioning/Data and Renders
 L2 Level: SpaceX Mars Master Thread (Red Dragon to BFR/MCT/Base)
 L2 SpaceX Rocket & Spacecraft Simulation Thread



Remember, this is only for updates, please use the discussion, party and other threads as this thread will be only used for updates from the speech. Non update posts will be removed.

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Not long now.

Webcast:



This is a live update thread, but if several of us post quotes and screenshots we won't miss anything. I'm going to be drafting an article at the same time, so I'll be mainly busy with that.

If we get duplicate quotes or screenshots, I'd sooner have that than miss anything. Of course, the video will be recorded, but there's always special value in live. We still have people looking back 10 years to live mission threads etc. This is live and then becomes an archive.

Discussion - please use that thread.
« Last Edit: 09/27/2016 02:07 PM by Chris Bergin »

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T-60 minutes!

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My comment was unrepeatable in a public forum. Biconic won. Period.

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@elonmusk
12m rocket booster diameter, 17m spaceship diameter, 122 m stack height

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Ok guys. Grab quotes as much as you can.

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@jeff_foust:

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Five minutes before the scheduled start, and they’re still not letting people in yet. Predicting a launch delay. #IAC2016

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@jeff_foust:

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Finally opening a door for press. But only for those with cameras. #IAC2016

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Elon Musk ‏@elonmusk  51s52 seconds ago
Waiting for everyone to reach their seats and get settled. Starting in 5 to 10.

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Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  5s6 seconds ago
Just opened the doors for the general audience. People literally running to get the best seats. Like Walmart on Black Friday. #IAC2016

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #10 on: 09/27/2016 06:51 PM »
Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  6s6 seconds ago
People still filing in. Expect a start maybe in the next 10 minutes. Also, no wifi at all here. #IAC2016

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #11 on: 09/27/2016 06:58 PM »
Jeff Foust ‏@jeff_foust  19s19 seconds ago
Starting in a few minutes. #IAC2016
Questions from press and general audience after the talk.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #12 on: 09/27/2016 06:59 PM »
SpaceX stream is now live

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #13 on: 09/27/2016 06:59 PM »
Just started.

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Can't believe the head of CNES introduced Elon!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #15 on: 09/27/2016 07:00 PM »
Introduction from CNES representative- missed name?
Waiting for joy and raptor

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"I want to make Mars seem possible, in our lifetimes."

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #17 on: 09/27/2016 07:01 PM »
Nothing on utube yet.

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"That's what we want"....

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Our goal is the fourth rock.

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Explains why Mars in the only option. Nothing against going to the Moon, but challenging to become multiplanetary.

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Mars can be scaled up.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #22 on: 09/27/2016 07:04 PM »
Venus is a high-pressure high-temperature acid bath.

"Not like the goddess."
All aboard the HSF hype train!  Choo Choo!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #23 on: 09/27/2016 07:04 PM »
Walking through a model of the solar system, explaining "why Mars", instead of elsewhere such as the Moon. Mars has an earth-like day, an atmosphere, Mars is much better suited to ultimately scale up to a self-sustaining civilization.

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Elon wants to warm Mars up. Right into the terraforming part.

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Wants to build a Mars City.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #28 on: 09/27/2016 07:08 PM »
Need to bring cost down to $200,000 per person
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #29 on: 09/27/2016 07:08 PM »
"Landing on the Moon the greatest accomplishment of mankind"

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #30 on: 09/27/2016 07:09 PM »
"Reduce cost of going to Mars by 5 million percent."

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The orders of magnitude.

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Booster and Tanker increases payload capability.

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Prop plant on Mars, allows to send the ships back to Earth. No graveyard of ships.

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On prop choice. "Methane was the clear winner"

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #38 on: 09/27/2016 07:18 PM »
Replaying video released earlier today


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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #39 on: 09/27/2016 07:20 PM »
Over 100,000 people watching YT livestream.

I guess the rest follows here on NSF!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #40 on: 09/27/2016 07:21 PM »
Not an artists impression.

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"It will look almost exactly like that. Video from SpaceX CAD models".

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #42 on: 09/27/2016 07:22 PM »
"Fleet of ships departing enmasse"

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #43 on: 09/27/2016 07:22 PM »
The Mars Colonial Fleet would have hundreds of spacecrafts in orbit that all leave at the same time

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"Mars Colonial Fleet will leave together. A bit like Battlestar Galactica - great show". <---So Say We All!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #45 on: 09/27/2016 07:24 PM »
"It's quite big"

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"Yeah, it's quite big" - Elon. And Elon says there will be bigger ones in the future!

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100 people a trip, but may expand crew size to 200 - to reduce costs. 10,000 flights planned.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #48 on: 09/27/2016 07:25 PM »
"Carrying iron foundries to pizza joints"...

100,000  people per trip (of fleet)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #49 on: 09/27/2016 07:25 PM »
Eventually extending crew cabin to 200 people.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #51 on: 09/27/2016 07:26 PM »
The Mars image behind Musk has green regions - terraforming

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #52 on: 09/27/2016 07:26 PM »
Densified deeply-cryogenic propellant. Carbon-fiber primary structure.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #53 on: 09/27/2016 07:27 PM »
"Challenge to make deep cryo tanks out of carbon fiber " (no liner!)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #54 on: 09/27/2016 07:27 PM »
Gassify props and use that for pressurization and RCS

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"Carbon Fiber...which is tricky" But don't now need a liner. Prop pressurizes the tank (no naughty COPVs with Helium!)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #56 on: 09/27/2016 07:28 PM »
Methane and oxygen for control thrusters.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #57 on: 09/27/2016 07:28 PM »
Spark ignition (no more green flash of TEA-TEB)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #58 on: 09/27/2016 07:28 PM »
Only need two ingredients instead of five on Falcon 9

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #59 on: 09/27/2016 07:29 PM »
First time the performance bar will exceed the size of the rocket.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #60 on: 09/27/2016 07:30 PM »
"It will be quite tectonic when it takes off"

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #61 on: 09/27/2016 07:30 PM »
Will lift up from the pad 39A

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« Reply #62 on: 09/27/2016 07:30 PM »
Quite tectonic when it takes off.

Add South Texas launch take off.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #63 on: 09/27/2016 07:31 PM »
Raptor "Highest chamber pressure engine ever built"

Throttle range 20% - 100%
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #64 on: 09/27/2016 07:32 PM »
Raptor vac 382 sec isp critical feature.

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« Reply #65 on: 09/27/2016 07:33 PM »
Throttle range 20% to 100% for Raptor.

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« Reply #66 on: 09/27/2016 07:33 PM »
42 engines first stage
"In principle, rocket engines are simple, but that’s the last place rocket engines are ever simple." Jeff Bezos

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #67 on: 09/27/2016 07:34 PM »
Engine redundancy. If some engines fail you can continue the mission.

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Raptor and Booster S1. 42 of the former on the latter. Happy with a lot of engines. Redundancy is a big factor.

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7 to 6 percent of prop for return.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #70 on: 09/27/2016 07:35 PM »
We are getting quite comfortable with landing accuracy.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #71 on: 09/27/2016 07:36 PM »
Centering fixture to align to launch mount on landing.

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Center seven Raptors gimble. Rest are fixed.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #74 on: 09/27/2016 07:38 PM »
LOX tank in vehicle is the hardest part - we've already started on it and we'll show some pictures later (wha???)

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The Ship.


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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #76 on: 09/27/2016 07:38 PM »
450t max cargo
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Trip time.

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TPS

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #79 on: 09/27/2016 07:40 PM »
CFD Model of ITS

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #80 on: 09/27/2016 07:40 PM »
Crew compartment fly thru.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #81 on: 09/27/2016 07:41 PM »
Compared to Sat V

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Onboard the ship.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #83 on: 09/27/2016 07:41 PM »
It's gonna be fun and entertaining. (crew compartment)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #84 on: 09/27/2016 07:41 PM »
"Really fun to go. You'll have a great time"

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Cost...

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #87 on: 09/27/2016 07:43 PM »
Total cost projection. Cost per ticket less that $200,000.

$140,000 per ton estimate

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Heh...funding.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #89 on: 09/27/2016 07:44 PM »
How to pay for it.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #90 on: 09/27/2016 07:44 PM »
Alluding to NGO for funding the colonization.

(He'll contibute too!!)
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #91 on: 09/27/2016 07:45 PM »
The Ship.

Mentioned with this slide: on the ship, as on the booster, only the center engines gimbal. In this case the center engines are the SL optimized engines.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #92 on: 09/27/2016 07:45 PM »
Timelines - Not the best at this kind of thing...

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #93 on: 09/27/2016 07:46 PM »
In 2002 SpaceX consisted of carpet and Mariachi band.
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on is building assets SOLELY for this goal.

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SpaceX, the early years.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #96 on: 09/27/2016 07:47 PM »
"Technology doesn't automatically improve. It takes engineering talent and effort to make it improve"

(Musk on why he started SpaceX)
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #97 on: 09/27/2016 07:48 PM »
Increadibly grateful to NASA for supporting SpaceX.

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Elon recalls the path since starting. Special mention to NASA for supporting SpaceX "I'm a huge fan".

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #99 on: 09/27/2016 07:51 PM »
"Hoping to refly in a couple of months".

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #100 on: 09/27/2016 07:53 PM »
Next steps - We're intentionally fuzzy at this point

Hopefully to complete first spaceship in four years.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #101 on: 09/27/2016 07:53 PM »
Did he just admit he's designed a SSTO?

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Timeline!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #103 on: 09/27/2016 07:54 PM »
New York to Tokyo in 25 minutes.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #104 on: 09/27/2016 07:54 PM »
Actually talking about point-to-point transit here on Earth. Maximum time 45 minutes to anywhere on Earth, to a floating platform. 25 minutes New York to Tokyo. Not that it's a plan per se, but it's a possibility...

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« Reply #105 on: 09/27/2016 07:56 PM »
Try to send something every opposition. Steady cadence.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #107 on: 09/27/2016 07:57 PM »
Raptor all up firing. Thanks to the Raptor team.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #108 on: 09/27/2016 07:58 PM »
Video of Raptor test firing - about 9 seconds by my count.

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« Reply #109 on: 09/27/2016 08:00 PM »
Really hard to make carbon fibre structures with these requirements.

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« Reply #110 on: 09/27/2016 08:01 PM »
Holy crap! They've built a LOX tank for the spacecraft.

Tested with cryo LOX already

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Dev tank!

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #112 on: 09/27/2016 08:02 PM »
Beyond Mars.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #114 on: 09/27/2016 08:02 PM »
Establishing a propellant depot in the asteroid belt.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #115 on: 09/27/2016 08:03 PM »
Picture of landed on Enceladus.

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Now talking about prop depots at Mars, a Jupiter Moon, asteroids. Allowing for....Oh my:

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #117 on: 09/27/2016 08:04 PM »
Q/A

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #118 on: 09/27/2016 08:04 PM »
Derek (Helodriver!!) gets the first question

Where will it be built since it's too large to transport by road?

Initial launch from 39-A. Construction of ship and booster will probably be done at some Gulf state regions like Louisiana. Probably construct in multiple states and final assembly in launch site.
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Derrick gets first question!!!!

Asks about launch integration, 39A.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #121 on: 09/27/2016 08:06 PM »
Haha, I was like "that's gotta be HeloDriver." Good Q! Construction in various states with final assembly at launch states.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #122 on: 09/27/2016 08:06 PM »
Spaceship would have small payload to LEO as a SSTO.
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« Reply #123 on: 09/27/2016 08:06 PM »
Construction in multiple gulf states.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #124 on: 09/27/2016 08:07 PM »
Facepalm. "Are we going to have toilet on Mars?"
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #125 on: 09/27/2016 08:07 PM »
Who was that last question from? And what was with the profanity? Sheesh.

(Sorry for the cluttering of the live thread though)
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #126 on: 09/27/2016 08:07 PM »
Second question is....strange.

Q: "I was at Burning Man and there was a lot of human excrement. Are we going to have a toilet on Mars that can't use water?"

A: If you have energy, there is water because of the massive amounts of ice.

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« Reply #127 on: 09/27/2016 08:08 PM »
For construction, looking possibly at the Gulf states, such as Michoud, probably use multiple locations and assemble elsewhere.

39A is "quite a big site", thinks they can fit it to launch both FH and Interplanetary system's initial flights.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #128 on: 09/27/2016 08:09 PM »
First journey to Mars will be dangerous ... are you prepared to die ... then you're a candidate for going.

Later ... different than Apollo.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #129 on: 09/27/2016 08:10 PM »
Up to the public to decide about taking nuclear power to Mars.
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« Reply #130 on: 09/27/2016 08:10 PM »
Standing ovation.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #131 on: 09/27/2016 08:11 PM »
For construction, looking possibly at the Gulf states, such as Michoud, probably use multiple locations and assemble elsewhere.

39A is "quite a big site", thinks they can fit it to launch both FH and Interplanetary system's initial flights.

Barge-transportable then to Texas and Florida

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #132 on: 09/27/2016 08:11 PM »
Some risk of radiation but not deadly. Some shielding.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #133 on: 09/27/2016 08:13 PM »
The goal of SX is to build the transport system, like the railroad".

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« Reply #134 on: 09/27/2016 08:13 PM »
Q: How to keep people safe from deep-space radiation and on the surface of Mars.

A: Radiation risk in space - there will be some slight increase in risk from cancer, but Musk doesn't believe it will be that bad. On the surface risk is half because of atmosphere

Construct artificial magnetic field to protect from energetic particles. (?!?)

This is just the transport system, once you're there you can build everything from iron refineries to the first pizza joint.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #135 on: 09/27/2016 08:15 PM »
SpaceX is like the Union-Pacific Railroad.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #136 on: 09/27/2016 08:15 PM »
Q: I'm Russian, are you going to hire people outside the US?

A: This is not up to us, US gov't regulations make it so a regular work visa is not sufficient to hire people to work on advanced weapon systems (which rockets fall into).

Wish we could do more, hands are tied by ITAR.
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« Reply #137 on: 09/27/2016 08:17 PM »
Next question was a weird advert for a comedy website. Talks about sending people on one-way trips.

Elon answers it well. Need to give people the option of returning, even if they never actually return. Initial immigrants to the Americas didn't return to Europe, even though they technically could. Makes people more likely to go.
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« Reply #138 on: 09/27/2016 08:19 PM »
If your and explorer and want to push the frontier, that's what we're appealing to.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #139 on: 09/27/2016 08:23 PM »
Currently spending about 5% of resources on Mars.
Space is not Highlander.  There can, and will, be more than one.

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« Reply #140 on: 09/27/2016 08:23 PM »
Funding for ITS will increase after the "final version of F9" (and Dragon V2) - which is slated for next year.
All aboard the HSF hype train!  Choo Choo!

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« Reply #141 on: 09/27/2016 08:23 PM »
Training for a Mars flight- "about two days... you can train longer if you want."
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #142 on: 09/27/2016 08:23 PM »
Q: Resources - how much is Musk putting in now and as development continues

A: Pretty low right now, under 5% of the company - maybe spending a few 10s of millions of dollars right now. As we finish development of the final version of Falcon 9 (later next year) and Dragon 2 (get re-use of Dragon 2 sorted out) we can devote more of our engineering team to ITS.

Within 1 1/2 years we'll have most of SpaceX engineering team working on ITS.
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« Reply #143 on: 09/27/2016 08:24 PM »
Within a 1.5 years be able to dedicate engineering team to ITS". ... Investment of $10B.

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« Reply #144 on: 09/27/2016 08:25 PM »
Musks says he'd like to go to orbit, visit ISS, maybe go to Mars.

Needs to make sure the company continues and doesn't get taken over by investors only concerned with profit if he dies.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #145 on: 09/27/2016 08:25 PM »
Who are choosing those questioners?... *facepalm*

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #146 on: 09/27/2016 08:26 PM »
Forcing function for making space technology better".

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« Reply #147 on: 09/27/2016 08:27 PM »
Interstellar travel: Best way to do it would be an anti-matter drive due to mass efficiency. Even best case it's a very long journey to someplace like Proxima Centuri.

Once there is a base on Mars, there will be a forcing function to advance the space transportation technology to do things like interstellar technology / travel.

Trying to do interstellar right off the bat would be very tricky, like building a 747 as the first airplane every built.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #148 on: 09/27/2016 08:28 PM »
Says he considered a cycler, but the costs didn't work out. Needs to have frequent reuse. Not ruled out though, more future optimisation.

Name of first ship to Mars "Heart of Gold." He thinks.
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« Reply #149 on: 09/27/2016 08:29 PM »
Q: Why not a cycler (Hi Buzz Aldrin)

A: We considered it, you could do a cycler but our calculations showed it's better to just to directly there. Could turn out in the future that cycler and prop depot on the moon would be good, but that would be in the category of future optimization.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #150 on: 09/27/2016 08:29 PM »
Q: "cyclers"
A: "you could to a cycler, but our calculations say its better to go direct. Turnover rate matters. A possible future optimization. "

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #151 on: 09/27/2016 08:29 PM »
Heart of Gold!
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #152 on: 09/27/2016 08:29 PM »
First ship might be named "Heart of Gold" (lots of Douglas Adams love here)

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #153 on: 09/27/2016 08:30 PM »
Elon just struck down cyclers and depots on the Moon; he prefers the straight route so Zubrin's going to be smiling somewhere.
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« Reply #155 on: 09/27/2016 08:31 PM »
Greatly insightful comment by EM about "forcing function". Establishing a base on Mars will prompt greater developments in transportation, which even he cannot foresee. He referred to 747's, which alludes to how Orville and Wilbur could never have foreseen our present use of aircraft. So, too, he cannot see what developments will be prompted by his efforts.

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« Reply #156 on: 09/27/2016 08:32 PM »
Where did they get the questioners from? Electric glasses????? :o

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« Reply #157 on: 09/27/2016 08:32 PM »
Somebody asked about his electric bus. Space questions only.

Ooooh should NASA use SLS or this? Elon dodges this by saying it's good to have multiple irons in the fire. The more competition the better, all over the world. Compete, team up, whatever.

Will you be the first Man on Mars? I don't think so. I would definitely need to have a succession plan, see my kids grow up.
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« Reply #158 on: 09/27/2016 08:32 PM »
Plan is infinitely improbable... chuckle.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #159 on: 09/27/2016 08:33 PM »
Q: Should NASA stop trying for Mars?

A: Absolutely not, the more people working on it the better, multiple paths to Mars are good
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« Reply #160 on: 09/27/2016 08:33 PM »
Wants to encourage SX competitors/partners worldwide.

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« Reply #161 on: 09/27/2016 08:35 PM »
Well folks, there you have it. The dawn of the real Space Age, brought to you in a Heinlein rocketship.
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« Reply #162 on: 09/27/2016 08:36 PM »
what a disaster of a Q&A session.

but damn good job helodriver!

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« Reply #163 on: 09/27/2016 08:37 PM »
Well folks, there you have it. The dawn of the real Space Age, brought to you in a Heinlein rocketship.

Yup, there's a definite resemblance to Luna.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #164 on: 09/27/2016 08:37 PM »
I only got to see the last ~5 minutes.  Was anything mentioned about the Red Dragon and what it might carry?
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« Reply #165 on: 09/27/2016 08:38 PM »
I only got to see the last ~5 minutes.  Was anything mentioned about the Red Dragon and what it might carry?

RD mentioned, but not its payload.

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« Reply #166 on: 09/27/2016 08:39 PM »
Well folks, there you have it. The dawn of the real Space Age, brought to you in a Heinlein rocketship.

Yup, there's a definite resemblance to Luna.

Actually, Harriman Industries.

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« Reply #167 on: 09/27/2016 08:40 PM »
Meanwhile, at virtually every other space agency in the world, tumbleweeds were bouncing past.
SKYLON... The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's preferred surface-to-orbit conveyance.

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Brilliant work by all on this thread. Many thanks! Everyone please use the discussion thread (I know that Q&A went wild) and we'll start churning out articles. A baseline article next. Then lots of specific ones over the days to come.

Got to put my head in an ice bucket first ;D

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #169 on: 09/27/2016 08:50 PM »
Webcast recording is now up at spacex.com

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #170 on: 09/27/2016 08:53 PM »
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #172 on: 09/27/2016 09:17 PM »

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Baseline article. I guestimate about 10 standalone articles to come over the coming weeks.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/09/spacex-reveals-mars-game-changer-colonization-plan/

Thanks to Chris Gebhardt for the additional on the final part.

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Jeff is tweeting from the second presser SpaceX told us (the media) about with short notice (but that was very good of them). Not sure if we get Derrick in time to get over to where it is, but:

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust

(And to all this is the live update thread. Not an update, not going to be here. I know a few people take no notice ;))

Musk: we’ll demonstrate fully autonomous docking capability next year. Once you have that, gives you on-orbit refueling ability.

Musk: “optimistic” schedule calls for first crew launch in late 2024 and arrival in 2025. won’t be much later.

Musk: one goal for the Red Dragon missions is to find out what are the best ways to access Martian water.

Musk: not too concerned about planetary protection; no sign of life on Martian surface. Planet we need to protect is Earth
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More from Elon, via Jeff:

Musk: spaceship can serve as own abort system from booster, but on Mars, either you’re taking off or you’re not

Musk: terraforming a long-term issue, and a decision for the people who are living there

Musk: briefed NASA senior management on this plan ahead of time, but only finished up the presentation this morning.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #176 on: 09/27/2016 11:34 PM »
Look like for cargo and crew is ~3000m3.
30m3 for person, room 3x3x3m for person not bad.

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #177 on: 09/27/2016 11:43 PM »
Missed that one. Lots of confusion here wether there would be a follow on.  Was initially told there would not be. So I was in the Mars Base Camp and buzz Aldrin presentation instead.  :(

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #178 on: 09/28/2016 02:20 AM »
Can't believe the head of CNES introduced Elon!

Deserves a second screen shot (attached).
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #179 on: 09/28/2016 02:45 AM »
Here is the official slides of the presentation from SpaceX:

http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/mars_presentation.pdf
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #180 on: 09/28/2016 03:22 AM »
With the right tool the images can be extracted from the PDF with the original resolution, including the outer solar system ones which were cropped because of their wide aspect ratio.
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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #181 on: 09/28/2016 09:02 AM »
Haven't seen this posted yet, another view of the LOX tank.

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SpaceX ‏@SpaceX 13h13 hours ago

First development tank for Mars ship

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/780859793443401728

As has been pointed out on twitter, not sure the fire extinguisher on the left-hand wall will quite be up to the job if there's an issue with the tank ...

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Re: LIVE: Elon Musk IAC Mars Speech - Sept. 27, 2016 - UPDATES
« Reply #182 on: 09/28/2016 07:51 PM »
Until the post-presentation realignment occurs, I guess this is the best place for new Elon tweets.

Brian Artusio ‏@BArtusio
@elonmusk How will occupants descend from the spacecraft?At 162 ft., appears too tall to utilize ladder w/  spacesuit. Especially repeatedly
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@BArtusio Three cable elevator on a crane. Wind force on Mars is low, so don't need to worry about being blown around.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/781206685553528833
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