Author Topic: Boeing's CST-100: Progress to Commercial Crew and funding uncertainties  (Read 7686 times)

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Chris Gebhardt with the status update:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/08/boeings-cst-100-progress-commercial-crew-funding-uncertainties/

Includes more epic work from L2 artist Nathan Koga.

Offline RichAM

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Really interesting and solid read! Thanks Chris Gebhardt! I hope both vehicles are fully supported as it's crazy not to get these online as soon as possible, in a lot of senses.


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Good article. Good summary of where we stand on commercial crew.

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Nice article Chris G. Lots of well-presented good information there. Thanks
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Chris Gebhardt with the status update:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/08/boeings-cst-100-progress-commercial-crew-funding-uncertainties/

Includes more epic work from L2 artist Nathan Koga.
Thanks for the great update Chris G. Now if we were only flying...
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Great article chris!

May I ask a question. Would it be possible to write one rather technical article about the cst 100 with lots of data about the spacecraft included? Most people, like me, know so little about it...

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Boeing don't allow for the release of the data you would be looking for.

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Obviously this covers politics, but per one moved post, we have an active thread for that. I say a good thread, it's mainly "I know best!!" posts, but that's politics.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38187.msg1415318#msg1415318

But yeah, everyone knows politics is unavoidable when the article is half about that. Let's just try and be very specific to the article and not NASA's overall political funding.

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Boeing don't allow for the release of the data you would be looking for.

I don't think a few pictures from C3PF would violate the rules and I think a little PR wouldn't be a bad thing for them.  The CST-100 page on the Boeing website is a few years old, for example.

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I don't think a few pictures from C3PF would violate the rules

Yes, it would.  it would show Boeing processes and design features. 

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I don't think a few pictures from C3PF would violate the rules

Yes, it would.  it would show Boeing processes and design features.

...And that would be exposing Boeing's proprietary information. This is now an ultra-competitive world, more so than the first space race. We as the general public haven't a "right" to see the innards of everything that Boeing or any other spacecraft builder decides to make. The fact that we haven't seen much about the CST-100 accentuates how Boeing is keeping tight-lipped about their design.

Even a mere space enthusiast like me knows that NSF members who have worked in the industry would never post information that violates the confidences (or IP, ITAM and Federal law) earned by this site. Let's not get Chris B. and others into trouble, m'okay? :)
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Of course I meant photos that Boeing took and released themselves.  Staged from angles that do not give away any proprietary information.  PR stuff.  They could use a little PR on this.

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Of course I meant photos that Boeing took and released themselves.  Staged from angles that do not give away any proprietary information.  PR stuff.  They could use a little PR on this.

They're Boeing.

They've already won the contract. They already fly, very reliably, other spacecraft into space. A manned spacecraft should be no bother.

PR is only for when your PowerPoints and mockups and renderings aren't convincing. Boeing has brought results, which is sufficient to the only people to whom they are selling: NASA.

Boeing is not obligated to impress or inform us, the forum reader or space enthusiast. That will come along when the first CST-100 docks at ISS and returns.
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Of course I meant photos that Boeing took and released themselves.  Staged from angles that do not give away any proprietary information.  PR stuff.  They could use a little PR on this.

They're Boeing.

They've already won the contract. They already fly, very reliably, other spacecraft into space. A manned spacecraft should be no bother.

PR is only for when your PowerPoints and mockups and renderings aren't convincing. Boeing has brought results, which is sufficient to the only people to whom they are selling: NASA.

Boeing is not obligated to impress or inform us, the forum reader or space enthusiast. That will come along when the first CST-100 docks at ISS and returns.

You never stop marketing.  I don't expect engineers to understand that, that's what I do.  You're in my "sandbox" now.

When only 1 out of a hundred in the street know what commercial crew is, then you haven't done do diligence on your marketing.  And Congress has no pressure to fully fund it either.  Show me the full funding, show me the money. 

No, it's not the whole answer, in fact it's only a small factor.  But don't dismiss it outright.  You never stop marketing.


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If I had to guess I would be hard pressed to name a more universally respected brand than Boeing. You don't like their marketing style, I get that. Do you understand Boeing marketing strategy? Who do you consider their target audience?
Can't say I understand marketing, being a technical person and all that implies, but I recognize results.
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If I had to guess I would be hard pressed to name a more universally respected brand than Boeing. You don't like their marketing style, I get that. Do you understand Boeing marketing strategy? Who do you consider their target audience?
Can't say I understand marketing, being a technical person and all that implies, but I recognize results.

Marketing is one thing, bribery and theft is something else. Boeing has been convicted on both.
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Chris,
Not sure if NSF.com folks do this or not, but certainly Boeing has public relations (PR) people working for them.  HSF is a prestige thing.  Any chance inquiries have been made to their PR folks?
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