Author Topic: SCRUB: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) ATTEMPT 1 - LAUNCH UPDATES  (Read 60063 times)

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #180 on: 10/27/2014 10:43 PM »
At some point in the future I would expect that any boats in breach of the Notice to Mariners would simply be ignored, and their risks would have no effect on launches, only on their own insurance.

Really, if it doesn't endanger the launch and proper notice has been given, it's up to the boat owners to decide whether they want to take the risk of having some metal land on their boat from a great height.
It seems to me that they could still meet the safety numbers with a sailboat in the range.  The limit for commercial launches appears to be less than 0.00003 expected deaths per launch. 
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%20431.35-1/$FILE/AC431.35-1.pdf

Unless the sailboat is directly under the expected booster impact point, (or very close to the shore) that should be easy to meet. (back of the envelope - booster would need to go off course (10%), then RSO blows it up, possible area for debris to land at least 10km by 10km, sailboat is 10m by 10m, sailboat has a max of 10 people).

Of course, doing this calculation to the satisfaction of the FAA in real time is not practical.  But if they did it ex post facto, I bet the safety requirement would have been met.

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #181 on: 10/27/2014 10:59 PM »
Recording of the scrub (part 1 of 2, starts at 2hr20m):
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/54578694

http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv/videos

YG1968:  Appreciate the links.  The one I had previous were all old.  Thanks
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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #182 on: 10/27/2014 11:11 PM »
At some point in the future I would expect that any boats in breach of the Notice to Mariners would simply be ignored, and their risks would have no effect on launches, only on their own insurance.

Really, if it doesn't endanger the launch and proper notice has been given, it's up to the boat owners to decide whether they want to take the risk of having some metal land on their boat from a great height.
It seems to me that they could still meet the safety numbers with a sailboat in the range.  The limit for commercial launches appears to be less than 0.00003 expected deaths per launch. 
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%20431.35-1/$FILE/AC431.35-1.pdf

Unless the sailboat is directly under the expected booster impact point, (or very close to the shore) that should be easy to meet. (back of the envelope - booster would need to go off course (10%), then RSO blows it up, possible area for debris to land at least 10km by 10km, sailboat is 10m by 10m, sailboat has a max of 10 people).

Of course, doing this calculation to the satisfaction of the FAA in real time is not practical.  But if they did it ex post facto, I bet the safety requirement would have been met.

They could also just drop the stage on the sailboat and launch an additional 300,000 rockets to balance it out.

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #183 on: 10/27/2014 11:25 PM »
We just had a bright ISS pass over NYC.  Too bad it was alone.
That was the consolation prize for those of us who all gathered in a vineyard in Southern NJ.  I pointed out ISS and at least that made some of the kids ooh and ahh.  I explained that bright dot was where the spacecraft was supposed to go. Of course I didn't think to slew my camera to record the pass... Doh!

The upside is that in a very economically depressed and sparsely populated area, there were three families on the side of the road waiting to watch a rocket launch a couple hundred miles away.  Average Joes enjoying spaceflight... Made me feel like there is still a little hope.
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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #184 on: 10/27/2014 11:32 PM »
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/ANTARES-ORB3-NOTMARREVA.pdf

"The Army Corp of Engineers Danger Zone will be in effect for all launch attempts per 33CFR
(Code of Federal Regulations) Part 334. Fines and arrest authority are permissible by U.S. Coast
Guard and Virginia Marine Police."

There are two zones, one local and one that seems to be 900 nmi or more offshore, which would be in international waters not subject to U.S. laws.  Do we know which zone had the "boat"?

 - Ed Kyle

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #185 on: 10/28/2014 12:02 AM »
95% chance of GO for weather tomorrow.

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #186 on: 10/28/2014 12:16 AM »
95% chance of GO for weather tomorrow.

Yeah, but the important number I want to know is: what's the chance of boats in the area tomorrow?

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #187 on: 10/28/2014 12:42 AM »
I went out to see them launch it in Hampton. I did see the ISS pass. It's the brighter blob in this picture I took with a potato:
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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #188 on: 10/28/2014 02:14 AM »
I wonder at what point it becomes economically advantageous to forcibly evacuate and then sink the offending vessel. The operation could probably be carried out with a single helicopter. The cost of conducting the operation and replacing the vessel might be less than the cost of the scrub....
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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #189 on: 10/28/2014 02:21 AM »
Just evacuate, don't need to sink it. Anyway, this is just one more reason we need to go toward high-launch-rate reusable rockets that don't have pieces falling off into the ocean or onto the steppe.
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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #190 on: 10/28/2014 03:56 AM »
Just evacuate, don't need to sink it. Anyway, this is just one more reason we need to go toward high-launch-rate reusable rockets that don't have pieces falling off into the ocean or onto the steppe.

That doesn't still mean there won't be a cleared area for launches.

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #191 on: 10/28/2014 06:17 AM »

October 27, 2014

Launch of Third Orbital Sciences Mission to Space Station Rescheduled; NASA TV Coverage Reset

The third Orbital Sciences cargo mission to the International Space Station under NASA's Commercial Resupply Services contract is scheduled to launch at 6:22 p.m. EDT Tuesday, Oct. 28, from Pad 0A of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport at NASAís Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia.

NASA Television coverage of Tuesday's launch will begin at 5:30 p.m. A post-launch news conference will follow at approximately 8 p.m.

A Monday launch attempt was scrubbed because of a boat down range in the trajectory Orbitalís Antares rocket would have flown had it lifted off.

A Tuesday launch will result in the Cygnus spacecraft arriving at the space station early Sunday, Nov. 2. NASA TV coverage of rendezvous and berthing will begin at 3:30 a.m. with grapple at approximately 4:58 a.m.

For the latest information on news conferences and coverage times, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntvnews

For more information about Orbitalís mission, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/orbital

For more information about the International Space Station, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/station

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #192 on: 10/28/2014 10:25 AM »
Concerning the cubesats on this launch:

i know currently of 29 cubesats carried inside Orb-3:

26 x Flock-1d (3U)
Arkyd-3 (3U)
RACE (3U)
GOMX-2 (2U)

Has anyone info, if there are more?

Gunter

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Re: LIVE: Orbital's Antares/Cygnus ORB-3 (CRS-3) LAUNCH UPDATES
« Reply #193 on: 10/28/2014 11:48 AM »
I like how everyone picked up ISS last night, but missed Tiangong 1. Shortly after the scrub I enjoyed watching both stations at the same time sail through the evening sky. 
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« Reply #194 on: 10/28/2014 01:11 PM »
It was a beautiful night.

Now I get to drive 7 hours again!

Last image is the ISS passing over the scrubbed rocket.
« Last Edit: 10/28/2014 01:14 PM by SaxtonHale »

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« Reply #195 on: 10/28/2014 01:41 PM »
It was a beautiful night.

Now I get to drive 7 hours again!

Last image is the ISS passing over the scrubbed rocket.

Great pictures! Especially the ISS one.  Where were you set up to watch from?

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Sorry for the delay. Was stuck in work, but here's attempt 2's thread:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35939.0

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