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EXOS aerospace
« on: 05/13/2014 03:28 AM »
Phil Eaton of Armadillo Aerospace fame has announced a new aerospace company http://www.exosaero.com/
They have evidently purchased some or all of Armadillo Aerospace's equipment and facility and have an ambitious plan to build 4 suborbital rockets within the year, and begin development of a manned rocket during that time frame.  Development of an orbital rocket is also planned.  Keep your ears to the ground, this is going to be fun!

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #1 on: 05/13/2014 03:56 AM »
Phil Eaton of Armadillo Aerospace fame has announced a new aerospace company http://www.exosaero.com/
They have evidently purchased some or all of Armadillo Aerospace's equipment and facility and have an ambitious plan to build 4 suborbital rockets within the year, and begin development of a manned rocket during that time frame.  Development of an orbital rocket is also planned.  Keep your ears to the ground, this is going to be fun!

I had heard that John had sold off the Armadillo Aerospace IP to one of the team members (maybe it was Phil). Here's to hoping he's both found the resources he needs, and can pull back together a team with the right skill balance. I wish them all the luck in the world. Hopefully I can make it down to Dallas one of these days to check out what they're up to.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #2 on: 05/13/2014 05:55 AM »
Woot.
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #3 on: 05/13/2014 01:21 PM »
Cool!
Lets hope they can get things going again!

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« Reply #4 on: 05/13/2014 01:59 PM »
Sometimes good ideas are too good to die, lets hope this new company can make a go of it!

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #5 on: 05/13/2014 09:33 PM »
I hope they ask and answer the question "How do we make money out of this?" before starting a project.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #6 on: 05/13/2014 10:45 PM »
I hope they ask and answer the question "How do we make money out of this?" before starting a project.

That may be the point of the manned launch. At the rate things are going, they might be able to catch up to VG...

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #7 on: 05/13/2014 11:11 PM »
I hope they ask and answer the question "How do we make money out of this?" before starting a project.

That may be the point of the manned launch. At the rate things are going, they might be able to catch up to VG...
eh, I think that market is XCOR's.
I hope they build and fly some stuff - was saddened to see them going into hibernation, so I wish this new version (or atleast this new company with some of the same foundations) the best of luck. Hope NASA gets them do a few paid flights to test some ALHAT implementation or the like.

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« Reply #8 on: 05/14/2014 12:15 AM »
Oooohhhh... will be following this one!
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #9 on: 05/15/2014 09:15 AM »
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Ribbon-cutting at Caddo Mills Airport for the launch of a new company called Exos Aerospace. Exos Aerospace is your expedited space delivery expert. By developing state-of-the-art reusable vehicles and efficient operations, and due to expeditious payload integration, Exos provides you with affordable, repeatable, and reliable commercial spaceflight with accelerated turnaround. If you need to fly “now,” rather than a year from now, and you need minutes of zero G time, and immediate access to your payload, Exos is your space flight solution.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #10 on: 05/15/2014 09:28 PM »
They now have up some team bios. A few are AA alumni, but several are new faces.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #11 on: 05/16/2014 04:10 AM »
No LV unveil ? Not even a render ? Hope they have some tech to show or is this just a "soft" launch ?

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #12 on: 05/16/2014 05:35 AM »
I hope they ask and answer the question "How do we make money out of this?" before starting a project.

That may be the point of the manned launch. At the rate things are going, they might be able to catch up to VG...

This gives Branson more choice when he realizes he needs to go out and buy something different.   ;D

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #13 on: 05/16/2014 09:19 AM »
No LV unveil ? Not even a render ? Hope they have some tech to show or is this just a "soft" launch ?

AA IP gives them the STIG which gives the advertized few minutes of zero G for small payloads. I hope they pursue that realistic avenue with full force and put any manned ambitions on the back burner.
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #14 on: 05/17/2014 01:03 AM »
Some excerpts from their bios page (http://exosaero.com/team-bio):

David Mitchell MBA: Co-founder and President

Looks like he's a serial entrepreneur with ties to the oil and gas industry in west Texas (among other things).

"In 2014 David became a co-founder, and President of Exos Aerospace, Inc. He and his family will provide the funding and business management of the company."

Russ Blink (An Armadillo Aerospace Alumnus): Co-founder and Lead Design Engineer

Phil Eaton (also an Armadillo Alumnus): Co-founder and Operations Manager


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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #15 on: 05/20/2014 10:07 PM »
Virgin made several mistakes. Branson came in and changed the company along with purchase by Grumman. They capitalized on their notoriety by putting the spaceship one right into the Smithsonian. They should have flown it a few more times to iron out any rough edges. Once satisfied the should have built two or three and started flying customers with that bird. A pilot and two passengers per flight starting immediately is miles better than not flying (pilot and copilot with 5 passengers) years later with not date in sight. They also should not have let Rutan go. His vision and eagerness were worth far more than any young engineer.
I am very excited for Exos. I was a long time supporter of Armadillo. Perhaps they should begin their business plan using Stig B and its precision recovery system to provide the quick integration, launch, and retrieval business plan they have stated to begin cash flow. After that is in place, begin full research on the manned plans.  Good luck, we will be watching.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #16 on: 05/22/2014 02:11 PM »

Virgin made several mistakes. Branson came in and changed the company along with purchase by Grumman. They capitalized on their notoriety by putting the spaceship one right into the Smithsonian. They should have flown it a few more times to iron out any rough edges. Once satisfied the should have built two or three and started flying customers with that bird. A pilot and two passengers per flight starting immediately is miles better than not flying (pilot and copilot with 5 passengers) years later with not date in sight. They also should not have let Rutan go. His vision and eagerness were worth far more than any young engineer.
I am very excited for Exos. I was a long time supporter of Armadillo. Perhaps they should begin their business plan using Stig B and its precision recovery system to provide the quick integration, launch, and retrieval business plan they have stated to begin cash flow. After that is in place, begin full research on the manned plans.  Good luck, we will be watching.
Spaceship One donation allowed the tax break-off that closed the whole business. Besides, no way FAA would have allowed customer on it since it was designed and licensed as a on-off design. SS1 was designed to win the prize within the budget and schedule limit. The next step would have always required a new ship. If they couldn't accept the laws of crewed launchers that propulsion is always the critical item, that their issue.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #17 on: 05/22/2014 04:12 PM »
There is another thread for VG/Scaled discussion folks.

From the Exos bio page: http://exosaero.com/team
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David Mitchell, M.B.A.  Co-Founder and President
David has also been in the ministry for more than thirty-five years.

...Dr. W. A. Criswell, said of him, "Mitchell, you are the best writer I have ever read."

... though he felt the de-funding of NASA by President Obama was saddening, it presented an opportunity for private commercial space flight.
ahem. a bit too much personal info there for my liking. Though I suppose if he's financing the project and proud of his personal path, he can say what he likes. And it's probably best that he sets the record straight from the get-go, instead of such info trickling out as rumours (like, "such and such a person told me that Mitchell blames Obama for NASA de-funding" and so on).

Still, I prefer it when spaceflight bios stick to science, engineering and business achievements. Call me an idealist.

Edit: oh, and I forgot to say: Go Exos Aerospace!! :)
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #18 on: 05/22/2014 04:28 PM »
There is another thread for VG/Scaled discussion folks.

From the Exos bio page: http://exosaero.com/team
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David Mitchell, M.B.A.  Co-Founder and President
David has also been in the ministry for more than thirty-five years.

...Dr. W. A. Criswell, said of him, "Mitchell, you are the best writer I have ever read."

... though he felt the de-funding of NASA by President Obama was saddening, it presented an opportunity for private commercial space flight.
ahem. a bit too much personal info there for my liking. Though I suppose if he's financing the project and proud of his personal path, he can say what he likes. And it's probably best that he sets the record straight from the get-go, instead of such info trickling out as rumours (like, "such and such a person told me that Mitchell blames Obama for NASA de-funding" and so on).

Still, I prefer it when spaceflight bios stick to science, engineering and business achievements. Call me an idealist.

Edit: oh, and I forgot to say: Go Exos Aerospace!! :)
Especially since it is not factual. Obama never defunded NASA.
Still, Go Exos!

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #19 on: 05/22/2014 08:42 PM »
There is another thread for VG/Scaled discussion folks.

From the Exos bio page: http://exosaero.com/team
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David Mitchell, M.B.A.  Co-Founder and President
David has also been in the ministry for more than thirty-five years.

...Dr. W. A. Criswell, said of him, "Mitchell, you are the best writer I have ever read."

... though he felt the de-funding of NASA by President Obama was saddening, it presented an opportunity for private commercial space flight.
ahem. a bit too much personal info there for my liking. Though I suppose if he's financing the project and proud of his personal path, he can say what he likes. And it's probably best that he sets the record straight from the get-go, instead of such info trickling out as rumours (like, "such and such a person told me that Mitchell blames Obama for NASA de-funding" and so on).

Still, I prefer it when spaceflight bios stick to science, engineering and business achievements. Call me an idealist.

Edit: oh, and I forgot to say: Go Exos Aerospace!! :)
Especially since it is not factual. Obama never defunded NASA.
Still, Go Exos!

I cringed a bit when I read that part (which is why I skipped it in my excerpt). I figure that as he engages with this industry, he'll saavy-up in a hurry.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #20 on: 12/26/2014 12:43 AM »
Um. I read the bios, and, well, *surprised* wouldn't be a fair description.

Good luck to the ex-Armadillo folk, and their excellent experience and real understanding of hands-on development, which is utterly admirable. As for the Wall Street leverage types and the biblical scholars, I really don't think they've actually got much to bring to the party.

In the meantime, I think I'll send some money to Copenhagen Suborbitals, who seem like nice guys unburdened by Wall Street and the other thing, oh, you know, wossisname.
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #21 on: 12/26/2014 12:46 AM »
the biblical scholars, I really don't think they've actually got much to bring to the party.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #22 on: 12/29/2014 04:25 PM »
and the other thing, oh, you know, wossisname.

Serious funding. A godsend even to most die-hard atheist rocket entrepeneur and something which christian oil tycoon can bring to the party.

Btw a person who used to manage pipe organ company might know a thing or two about tubular metal constructs too.
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« Reply #23 on: 04/03/2015 12:47 AM »
Coming Back Soon

Not sure when that happened.
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« Reply #24 on: 04/13/2015 06:35 PM »
Coming Back Soon

Not sure when that happened.


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« Reply #25 on: 04/28/2015 05:58 AM »
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #26 on: 04/28/2015 06:15 AM »
So I jinxed it  :-\;

Serious funding.

The oil tycoon is still listed as president of the company. $125k should be pocket lint to him so why the kickstarter?
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« Reply #27 on: 04/28/2015 06:21 AM »
The oil tycoon is still listed as president of the company. $125k should be pocket lint to him so why the kickstarter?

I expect poor Russ is getting a crash course in startup financing :(
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« Reply #28 on: 04/28/2015 03:39 PM »
Kickstarters are a fantastic marketing tool. It's not just raw money.
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« Reply #29 on: 05/12/2015 05:51 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: 05/18/2015 11:50 AM »
Kickstarters are a fantastic marketing tool. It's not just raw money.
Kickstarters are a fantastic marketing tool when they succeed. Not so much when they fail.

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« Reply #32 on: 05/18/2015 03:14 PM »
Kickstarters are a fantastic marketing tool. It's not just raw money.
Kickstarters are a fantastic marketing tool when they succeed. Not so much when they fail.

Ouch, 4% of their goal with 9 days to go...

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« Reply #33 on: 05/18/2015 03:40 PM »
 If you take a closer look it becomes even worse; they have less than fifty backers, and over half of the money must have come from the top five. Presumably it's close friends/family with little outside support.

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« Reply #34 on: 05/18/2015 04:34 PM »
They have evidently purchased some or all of Armadillo Aerospace's equipment and facility and have an ambitious plan to build 4 suborbital rockets within the year, and begin development of a manned rocket during that time frame.

A year old and already a track record of failing to meet their announced schedules.  They'll fit right in.

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« Reply #35 on: 05/18/2015 11:06 PM »
Kickstarter is all about promotion. I've seen virtually no promotion of this. They didn't even mention it at the Space Access conference.

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« Reply #36 on: 05/19/2015 02:11 AM »
Time to pass the collection plate and start to pray.  Just like with Inspiration Mars, Excalibur-Almaz, Mars One, and Golden Spike.

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« Reply #37 on: 05/19/2015 07:33 AM »
Whilst I admit that kickstarter is an enticing way to earn yourself some free moolah, a kickstarter to, uh, kickstart an aerospace company is going to seem too oddly specific for the majority of people to donate. They don't have wonderful precedents, as mentioned above.

Edit: Even as a PR endeavour, advertisement of this nature already only if you've started to actively self-promote. Time to start selling yourself, make bold claims, surprise people. It doesn't matter if there's any substance in it - right now, your mission statement is to get people to acknowledge you exist, so you can start with the real work.
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« Reply #38 on: 05/19/2015 10:30 AM »
Time to pass the collection plate and start to pray.

The CEO is a rich pastor, it should have helped with both without resorting to kickstart.

Best way for an aerospace startup to self-promote would be to actually launch something.
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« Reply #39 on: 05/19/2015 11:23 AM »
The CEO is a rich pastor, it should have helped with both without resorting to kickstart.

Investment doesn't work that way.

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Best way for an aerospace startup to self-promote would be to actually launch something.

Chicken and egg much? No, the problem here is simply that Russ doesn't appear to understand how Kickstarter works.
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« Reply #40 on: 05/19/2015 02:13 PM »
The CEO is a rich pastor, it should have helped with both without resorting to kickstart.

Investment doesn't work that way.

Oh? The rich guy brings in the cash in return for board seat, title and nice big share of the company pie. Not so rich rocket scientists bring in the know-how and make the rocket happen. Thought this is how it happens.

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Best way for an aerospace startup to self-promote would be to actually launch something.
Chicken and egg much?

It is if there's no history, current status is a website full of wishful thinking, plans to launch a battlestar next year and has no oil magnate on the board.

These guys already hatched an egg called the Stig in their previous hen house which is suitable for their intended initial business of suborbital micro-g experiment flights. If they already have Armadillo tooling and IP then hatch the Stig again, fix the landing and start selling service.
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« Reply #41 on: 05/19/2015 03:51 PM »
I don't understand this kickstarter. Such things work great for consumer products (which have a tangible reward) or for high-minded concepts (i.e. Lunar Mission One), but this is neither. It's the kind of company that could make money from NASA suborbital contracts, but needs seed capital in order to bid for them. That's what venture capital is for. If their major investor doesn't understand this, they're doomed.

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« Reply #42 on: 05/19/2015 04:28 PM »
The CEO is a rich pastor, it should have helped with both without resorting to kickstart.

Investment doesn't work that way.

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Best way for an aerospace startup to self-promote would be to actually launch something.

Chicken and egg much? No, the problem here is simply that Russ doesn't appear to understand how Kickstarter works.

sadly, space kickstarters have a very large hill to climb.

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« Reply #43 on: 05/19/2015 07:27 PM »
sadly, space kickstarters have a very large hill to climb.

How many space related kickstarters have actually succeeded? The two nutters trying to send mockup TARDIS into orbit using Interorbital as a launch provider and Arkyd comes to mind.
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« Reply #45 on: 05/19/2015 09:55 PM »
Oh? The rich guy brings in the cash in return for board seat, title and nice big share of the company pie. Not so rich rocket scientists bring in the know-how and make the rocket happen. Thought this is how it happens.

Sane people who own a company are reluctant to give up shares as it takes away their control. If you have an investor CEO it means you've already lost, and typically means he got it for cheap.

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It is if there's no history, current status is a website full of wishful thinking, plans to launch a battlestar next year and has no oil magnate on the board.

These guys already hatched an egg called the Stig in their previous hen house which is suitable for their intended initial business of suborbital micro-g experiment flights. If they already have Armadillo tooling and IP then hatch the Stig again, fix the landing and start selling service.

They don't. I thought that was clear.
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« Reply #46 on: 05/19/2015 11:34 PM »
What's clear? The SpaceNews article says they claim to have acquired Armadillo's "mission critical assets," whatever that means exactly, and jongoff said upthread he heard that one of the Exos team had acquired Armadillo's IP rights.

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« Reply #47 on: 05/19/2015 11:36 PM »
You said tooling. Most of it was sold off.
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #48 on: 05/20/2015 06:13 AM »
Lunar Mission One succeeded.

Right, because they had very inspirational, innovative idea. EXOS is just trying to do what UP Aerospace is already doing.

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« Reply #49 on: 05/20/2015 07:11 AM »
EXOS is just trying to do what UP Aerospace is already doing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was of the impression that UP wasn't reusable. (i.e., your average Estes rocket is more reusable)

To answer my own question: https://flightopportunities.nasa.gov/platforms/suborbital/spaceloft-xl/ It's about as reusable as an Estes rocket, if everything goes right. (I think that's happened once.)
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« Reply #50 on: 05/21/2015 04:24 AM »
sadly, space kickstarters have a very large hill to climb.

How many space related kickstarters have actually succeeded? The two nutters trying to send mockup TARDIS into orbit using Interorbital as a launch provider and Arkyd comes to mind.

At least two Cubesats - ArduSAT and KickSat IIRC.

Also, it was through a different crowdfunding platform (rockethub???) but there was that thing to re-contact ISEE-3 too.

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« Reply #51 on: 10/29/2015 10:31 PM »
Late to the party. I watched for years as AA went through one crash after another.

Q-G's comment about no tooling explains why the new vehicle will have a slightly different size and lighter tanks. If you are starting over with the tooling, then you can apply the lessons learned from the STIGs.

I remember the GPS glitch. That would have been much of an issue if the chute would have recovered the rocket instead of the STIG-B making a crater.

Memory says that STIG-A with a similar chute came close to hitting the truck at the launch pad because the chute could maneuver that well.

Wonder if they'll pursue the 'Glass Ball' idea of up on a cluster of STIG's but parachute the victim...uh...customer and Ball back (hopefully) safe and sound.

Hope the do the same blogging as AA did.

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« Reply #53 on: 06/02/2016 08:26 PM »
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John Quinn, Exos Aerospace: building two SARGE sounding rockets, targeted for launch in November. #NSRC2016

Quinn: planning six launches in 2017, plus additional “flight on demand” depending on interest. Flying from Spaceport America.

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« Reply #54 on: 07/18/2016 12:26 AM »
http://exosaero.com/2016/06/13/222/
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Just in case you hadn’t heard the good news – our rocket tube sections are officially onsite!

We are ecstatic. We thought we would share a few quick snaps of them, so you could join in on the excitement. These tubes are sufficient for building two rockets, when they’re coupled with tanks, etc.
It may not be much, but it's nice to see real hardware all the same.

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« Reply #55 on: 09/30/2016 01:44 AM »
How has this not been posted yet ? Booking payloads now ..

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #56 on: 10/18/2016 04:09 AM »
Looks like EXOS has been making progress. Their website has a few new updates listed in their blog: http://exosaero.com/blog/

They also have a new engine that they recently hotfired:



From the pictures in their blog (attached), it looks like the nozzle is 3D printed.
I tried it at home

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« Reply #57 on: 01/07/2017 06:14 AM »
https://twitter.com/exosaerosystech/status/816713321588133888

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« Reply #58 on: 03/13/2017 03:58 PM »
Feature video on Fox 4 ( Flash video, sorry )

http://www.fox4news.com/news/238279410-story

Not much new, but "first payload funded by NASA, it will will fly in June from Spaceport America in White Sands"
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« Reply #59 on: 03/15/2017 03:29 PM »
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Tanks Have Arrived!

Our tanks are in the EXOS shop!

You may have heard that a tornado hit the Michoud facility. (We are so grateful that only minor injuries were reported, but you can read the rest of the update, here).

Our tanks are manufactured in the Michoud facility. The tornado delayed the tank completion and their delivery, but we are now moving on to the final assembly and final test!

We will need to recapture some time to make our projected April launch date, but we are still pressing on to see how close we can get to our projected date.

Of course, our safety process and risk mitigation activities will not be compromised to make the April date, but we are pushing within those limits!

http://exosaero.com/2017/03/13/tanks-have-arrived/

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« Reply #60 on: 03/15/2017 06:50 PM »
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Tanks Have Arrived!

Our tanks are in the EXOS shop!

You may have heard that a tornado hit the Michoud facility. (We are so grateful that only minor injuries were reported, but you can read the rest of the update, here).

Our tanks are manufactured in the Michoud facility. The tornado delayed the tank completion and their delivery, but we are now moving on to the final assembly and final test!

We will need to recapture some time to make our projected April launch date, but we are still pressing on to see how close we can get to our projected date.

Of course, our safety process and risk mitigation activities will not be compromised to make the April date, but we are pushing within those limits!

http://exosaero.com/2017/03/13/tanks-have-arrived/

I'm sorry, call me immature, but given the size of the tanks, they look like oversized kegs. Perhaps they can modify a tank for that purpose for their Christmas party?




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« Reply #61 on: 03/17/2017 01:08 PM »
Hello guys,


Brett from EXOS here. I'll be here to answer any questions and if you need pictures I will get some for you. Don't hesitate to ask.



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« Reply #62 on: 03/17/2017 09:34 PM »
Well since you showed up I will do the courteous thing and ask a few questions:-

1) Isn't the market quite crowded now? What will allow you to succeed vs. others?

2) Do your plans include orbital services?

3) Are you an all-aluminum shop, or is CFRP on the horizon?

4) What do you think the teenagers over at Relativity Space are up to?

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« Reply #63 on: 03/18/2017 08:20 AM »
G'day Brett,

Thanks for letting us ask you questions. That is much appreciated. I see you have a suborbital launch planned for April. Can you tell us the name of the launch vehicle, what payloads are being carried and the current planned date for the launch? Thanks!
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« Reply #64 on: 03/20/2017 01:08 PM »
Well since you showed up I will do the courteous thing and ask a few questions:-

1) Isn't the market quite crowded now? What will allow you to succeed vs. others?
Yes the market is crowded, but who is actually flying suborbital not just talking about it? Blue, Up, and NASA's BB. We feel that we will succeed because of our reusability. Our SARGE rocket is very durable.

2) Do your plans include orbital services?
Yes, but thats all I can comment on for now.

3) Are you an all-aluminum shop, or is CFRP on the horizon?
All aluminium (AvE reference)

4) What do you think the teenagers over at Relativity Space are up to?

I do not know, but I wish them the best



G'day Brett,

Thanks for letting us ask you questions. That is much appreciated. I see you have a suborbital launch planned for April. Can you tell us the name of the launch vehicle, what payloads are being carried and the current planned date for the launch? Thanks!


Yes, we are scheduled for April, however the FAA is pushing our launch license to May so the April timeframe will probably not happen.

The name of the launch vehicle is SARGE. It's an updated and upgraded Stig B. This mission will be called Pathfinder 0.

We are carrying various different payloads for universities that are CONUS and one in India. We also will have some FAA projects onboard as well. The next flight gets much more interesting.




SARGE is being put together as we speak. We are planning on doing a full tethered test in the coming weeks. Our engine has outperformed all expectations. 

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« Reply #65 on: 03/20/2017 02:10 PM »
1) Isn't the market quite crowded now? What will allow you to succeed vs. others?

Yes the market is crowded, but who is actually flying suborbital not just talking about it? Blue, Up, and NASA's BB. We feel that we will succeed because of our reusability. Our SARGE rocket is very durable.

Beautiful ! More flights, less grandiose announcements definitely needed from the industry.

This might be too early to ask, but what kind of turnaround time between experiment flights you might be able to aim for ?
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« Reply #66 on: 03/20/2017 02:18 PM »
1) Isn't the market quite crowded now? What will allow you to succeed vs. others?

Yes the market is crowded, but who is actually flying suborbital not just talking about it? Blue, Up, and NASA's BB. We feel that we will succeed because of our reusability. Our SARGE rocket is very durable.

Beautiful ! More flights, less grandiose announcements definitely needed from the industry.

This might be too early to ask, but what kind of turnaround time between experiment flights you might be able to aim for ?


Well, ideally we would like to do two launches a week.

But for now, we have 6 launches planned for the remainder of 2017. 


We are currently building 2 rockets. SARGE 1 and SARGE 2.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #67 on: 03/20/2017 02:41 PM »
Will you launch out of Spaceport America? Will you still use the Wamore parafoil system?

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« Reply #68 on: 03/20/2017 02:56 PM »
Will you launch out of Spaceport America? Will you still use the Wamore parafoil system?

Yes and Yes.

We did some drop test with the recovery system and everything worked according to plan.

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« Reply #69 on: 03/20/2017 03:14 PM »
Will you launch out of Spaceport America? Will you still use the Wamore parafoil system?

Yes and Yes.

We did some drop test with the recovery system and everything worked according to plan.

Are you sharing a pad with Up with mobile fueling stations? Or did you pour concrete for a brand new pad? To facilitate the projected 2 launches/week, do you have a hanger in Spaceport to support operations there?

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« Reply #70 on: 03/20/2017 03:21 PM »
Will you launch out of Spaceport America? Will you still use the Wamore parafoil system?

Yes and Yes.

We did some drop test with the recovery system and everything worked according to plan.

Are you sharing a pad with Up with mobile fueling stations? Or did you pour concrete for a brand new pad? To facilitate the projected 2 launches/week, do you have a hanger in Spaceport to support operations there?

We have our own pad. Everything we need comes with us on our mobile launch control trailer.

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« Reply #71 on: 03/20/2017 03:26 PM »
I'm so looking forward to this!

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« Reply #72 on: 03/20/2017 05:01 PM »
I'm so looking forward to this!

As are we. There is a lot of hard work put into this rocket. We are ready to see it fly.

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« Reply #73 on: 03/21/2017 07:55 AM »
Thanks very much for answering my questions Brett. Best of luck for your first launch of SARGE.

Can you give us some specs for SARGE? Like propellants used, propellant mass, dry mass, payload mass, thrust, Isp, maximum altitude, length and diameter?

Does SARGE stand for anything?

Will you be doing a webcast of the launch?
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« Reply #74 on: 03/21/2017 03:39 PM »
Thanks very much for answering my questions Brett. Best of luck for your first launch of SARGE.

Can you give us some specs for SARGE? Like propellants used, propellant mass, dry mass, payload mass, thrust, Isp, maximum altitude, length and diameter?

Does SARGE stand for anything?

Will you be doing a webcast of the launch?

VEHICLE PURPOSE: R&D Flights followed by scientific payload flights under an FAA/AST Operator License
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: SARGE (High Pressure Helium tank w/ Regulated to Blowdown Pressurization Transition)
DIMENSIONS MASS BUDGET
HEIGHT 36 FT DRY MASS 800 LBM
WIDTH 20 INS OD PAYLOAD & BALLAST 0 – 50 LBM
DEPTH (Tubular) 20 INS OD LOX (6.5-FT TANK) 970 LBM
PROPULSION FUEL (6.5-FT TANK) 670 LBM
MAX ULLAGE PERCENTAGE 5% EA. LOX & FUEL GLOW 2,440–2,490 LBM
PRESSURANT HELIUM REGULATED HP He VOLUME (WATER) 7.00** CU.FT.
INITIAL PRESSURE (TANK) 400 PSIG HELIUM INITIAL PRESSURE ~2,250 PSIG
INITIAL THRUST 5,420 LBF T/W INITIAL 2.22 : 1
FINAL PRESSURE (TANK) 400 PSIG MASS RATIO 2.93 : 1
FINAL THRUST 6,680 LBF T/W FINAL 7.85: 1


There will be live streaming available, just not sure on the details yet. 

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« Reply #75 on: 03/21/2017 03:46 PM »
We did just get our nose cone back from the manufacturer. It is in our ridiculously huge oven baking.

Its very exciting seeing each piece start to come together. We had a phone call with FAA AST today and it is looking like we will be getting our launch license for May 13.

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« Reply #76 on: 03/21/2017 10:46 PM »
If you have a regulator already, what is gained by switching over to blowdown?

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« Reply #77 on: 03/22/2017 12:59 AM »
If you have a regulator already, what is gained by switching over to blowdown?

It allows you to control tank pressures and keep them high at the start of the burn when you need the most thrust and chamber pressure, but then reduces the overall amount of helium you need, because later in the burn you don't necessarily need the same feed pressure. Masten used the same approach on Xombie and Xoie. In our case letting the pressure decay over the flight also made it so we didn't have to provide as much pressure drop via the valves, which meant the valves didn't have to operate in their most sensitive range. I think SARGE mostly cares about the first two--high thrust at start, and lower GHe tank mass than 100% regulated.

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« Reply #78 on: 03/22/2017 05:33 AM »
Thanks very much for those detailed specs Brett! As we're an international audience, here are the specs with their SI units. The specs say the LOX and fuel tanks are the same length. Is that correct?

Height 36 ft (10.97 m) Dry Mass 800 lbm (363 kg)

Width 20 in (508 mm) OD Payload & Ballast 0 – 50 lbm (22.7 kg)

Depth (Tubular) 20 (508 mm) INS OD LOX (6.5 ft (1.98 m) Tank) 970 lbm (440 kg)
Propulsion Fuel (6.5 ft (1.98 m) Tank) 670 lbm (304 kg)

Max Ullage Percentage 5% each. LOX & Fuel GLOW 2,440–2,490 lbm (1,107-1,129 kg)

Pressurant Helium Regulated HP He Volume (Water) 7.00** ftł (198 L)

Initital Pressure (Tank) 400 psig (2.76 MPa) Helium Initial Pressure ~2,250 psig (15.5 MPa)

Initital Thrust 5,420 lbf (24.1 kN) T/W Initial 2.22 : 1

Final Pressure (Tank) 400 psig (2.76 MPa) Mass Ratio 2.93 : 1

Final Thrust 6,680 lbf (29.7 kN) T/W Final 7.85: 1
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« Reply #79 on: 03/22/2017 06:21 AM »
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« Reply #80 on: 03/22/2017 02:43 PM »
There is also this payload users guide:

http://exosaero.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/EXOS-PUG-Export-Cleared-Version-1.0.pdf

A bit dated ?

Slightly outdated, but it is ITAR scrubbed so there isn't much detailed information in that copy.

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« Reply #81 on: 03/22/2017 02:46 PM »
We did do a pressure test on our tanks yesterday. Everything went smoothly and as expected. We basically do a hydrostatic test with water. After we are done, we need to remove all the water from the inside, so we put it in the oven and cook it out.


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« Reply #82 on: 03/22/2017 09:38 PM »
Nose cone is here back in the shop. We should have the tail fins in the coming days.

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« Reply #83 on: 03/24/2017 12:45 PM »
We have tentatively scheduled our first hover test for April 28th. 

Looking like we are getting our launch license for May 20th.
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« Reply #84 on: 03/24/2017 08:08 PM »
We have tentatively scheduled our first hover test for April 28th. 

Looking like we are getting our launch license for May 20th.

This bad boy is gonna hover ? Crane suspended or free flight VTVL style ?
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« Reply #85 on: 03/27/2017 02:41 PM »
We have tentatively scheduled our first hover test for April 28th. 

Looking like we are getting our launch license for May 20th.

This bad boy is gonna hover ? Crane suspended or free flight VTVL style ?

It's tethered down and held up via crane. Does a full flight. It's very cool to see.

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« Reply #86 on: 03/29/2017 01:49 PM »
We took a pounding here at EXOS HQ last night. Big storm with straight line wins blew in around 3am. Got a little sporty but no major damage to report.

SARGE is coming together. Its awesome to see how much is accomplished each day.

If you want to see more pictures, we posted a bundle more to our IG page @exosaero and I tend to post a lot more to my personal IG page @txveno.

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« Reply #87 on: 03/30/2017 01:04 AM »
Looking great, Brett!  ..and thanks for posting pics of your progress.  Looking forward to seeing flame coming out of that nozzle.

An interrelated question:  Why the pro speaker box?? :)
 
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going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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« Reply #88 on: 03/30/2017 01:10 AM »
Looking great, Brett!  ..and thanks for posting pics of your progress.  Looking forward to seeing flame coming out of that nozzle.

An interrelated question:  Why the pro speaker box?? :)

We built those wireless speakers for Texas Speed Syndicate that comes and races at the airport we are at a few times a year. We were getting them charged up and making sure they work for the upcoming TSS weekend.

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« Reply #89 on: 04/03/2017 05:18 PM »
Hi, I assume EXOS is somewhat of a reincarnation of the old Armadillo.  I am so pleased to see you guys back in action.  Some questions: How does EXOS achieve attitude control.  I recall the old Armadillo had Cannards that gave them problems during trans-sonic flow. 
Are there any of the old Armadillo guys working at EXOS and did you inherit most of the old Armadillo equipment and their digs at the Caddis Mills Airport?
Thanks

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« Reply #90 on: 04/03/2017 07:13 PM »
Hi, I assume EXOS is somewhat of a reincarnation of the old Armadillo.  I am so pleased to see you guys back in action.  Some questions: How does EXOS achieve attitude control.  I recall the old Armadillo had Cannards that gave them problems during trans-sonic flow. 
Are there any of the old Armadillo guys working at EXOS and did you inherit most of the old Armadillo equipment and their digs at the Caddis Mills Airport?
Thanks

For the most part, yes. There are a few original Armadillo guys who have since retired or are off doing other things, such as Carmack who is busy with Oculus Rift.


The Cannards are gone, they were removed on Stig-B. Altitude is controlled by calculating the ballistic trajectory at all times and the engine is stopped when the altitude will exceed 100 kilometers.

Exos purchased all assets from Armadillo as a formality. We are in the same facility as before.



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« Reply #91 on: 04/04/2017 12:08 AM »
Thanks for the info Brett.  With regard to rocket attitude control, I'm interested in how you keep the rocket flying straight if the engines are firing when you leave the atmosphere.  Is the engine gimbaled or is the rocket in a slow spin such as to maintain straight flight under power.

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« Reply #92 on: 04/04/2017 02:52 AM »
Thanks for the info Brett.  With regard to rocket attitude control, I'm interested in how you keep the rocket flying straight if the engines are firing when you leave the atmosphere.  Is the engine gimbaled or is the rocket in a slow spin such as to maintain straight flight under power.

We use a gimbal. It's a very sound and proven system in regards to our rockets. I will try to get some pictures of it tomorrow.

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« Reply #94 on: 04/04/2017 02:34 PM »
Electric actuators on the gimbal?

Thanks for the updates, always good to see these things up close.

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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #95 on: 04/04/2017 06:18 PM »
Here is a youtube video using a new 360Fly for an engine test we did a few weeks back.



you can use your mouse to move the view around. It's 360 degrees.
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« Reply #96 on: 04/25/2017 01:40 PM »
Been busy here at Exos HQ and neglected this forum.

We are in the final stage of assembling the rocket and will be conducting a tethered test in the coming weeks.



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« Reply #97 on: 04/26/2017 06:40 AM »
Making good progress!  I'm just curious:  What were the plane models stuck up on the wall used for?

Here's a quote for the guy in the middle: "Okay.. so which way is up?!??"  ;D
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« Reply #98 on: 04/26/2017 09:16 PM »
Making good progress!  I'm just curious:  What were the plane models stuck up on the wall used for?

Here's a quote for the guy in the middle: "Okay.. so which way is up?!??"  ;D

Interesting story about those. They guy we rent the building from owns the largest .mil drone collection in the world. He has been involved in the drone program in one form or fashion since the Korea war and to this day still services .mil drones from around the world.

Those hanging on the wall are target drones used to shot down with various munitions. Next door we actually have some significantly bigger ones. I will try to snap a picture of them tomorrow along with various other things we have in the hanger.



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« Reply #99 on: 04/30/2017 11:44 PM »

... such as Carmack who is busy with Oculus Rift.


Mostly with lawsuits:

Very sad.  :(
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« Reply #100 on: 08/04/2017 07:02 AM »
Moar pics

http://exosaero.com/2017/07/28/sarge-update-73117/

Anything getting lit any time soon ?
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« Reply #101 on: 08/06/2017 08:51 AM »
Moar pics

http://exosaero.com/2017/07/28/sarge-update-73117/

Anything getting lit any time soon ?
Looks way more professionally-built than others I could mention...
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« Reply #102 on: 08/21/2017 05:07 PM »
EXOS posted a video to Youtube yesterday of a hold-down firing, using what looks to be a full-size SARGE engine and body.  It's characterized as a "low-pressure test", with a full-power one soon to come, but even at this stage it looks bloody impressive.  As some on this forum have said, others have made much more hype over much less achievement...  https://youtube.com/watch?v=SrkCULVaxGo

They also made a blog post to accompany it, with a lot of great pictures before and after the test (if anyone else wants to attach them over here feel free, I'm on mobile and can't really do so): http://exosaero.com/2017/08/20/tie-test-1/
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« Reply #103 on: 08/21/2017 11:07 PM »
EXOS posted a video to Youtube yesterday of a hold-down firing, using what looks to be a full-size SARGE engine and body.  It's characterized as a "low-pressure test", with a full-power one soon to come, but even at this stage it looks bloody impressive.  As some on this forum have said, others have made much more hype over much less achievement...  https://youtube.com/watch?v=SrkCULVaxG

Gotta love how the test lasted ~30secs.. and then the minions spend the next minute-and-a-half putting out spot fires!!   :) ;D
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« Reply #104 on: 09/14/2017 07:21 AM »
Tie me rocketship down, sport,
tie me rocketship down


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« Reply #105 on: 10/18/2017 10:11 PM »
Misidentified this initially and was told that it is an EXOS stand and engine :)

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« Reply #106 on: 10/24/2017 01:33 PM »
Tie me rocketship down, sport,
tie me rocketship down



Super cool. I love this kind of test of rockets. Between a tethered hover test and a tie-down test, you can get pretty close to actual test flight without a big risk of losing your hardware if things go wrong. Relying more on engine gimbaling than control surfaces also helps address the risk of control inversion as you go through Mach 1.

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« Reply #107 on: 10/24/2017 11:04 PM »
I'm curious what sort of valves/plumbing you are using for controlling propellant flow to the engine - do you have one pair of fuel/LOX valves that provide start-up flow followed by a seperate pair of main-stage valves, or is it a single pair that can be opened partially? 
I am a member of a university group that is working towards something similar (if a bit smaller), and finding fast-acting valves with fine-grained throttle control has proven rather... difficult. 

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« Reply #108 on: 12/18/2017 07:03 PM »
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At #NSRC2017, John Quinn of Exos Aerospace says company on track to get FAA launch license for its suborbital rocket by Feb 14, 2018; earliest launch would be following Saturday (Feb 17).

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« Reply #109 on: 12/18/2017 07:31 PM »
Looks like a couple of the concrete highway dividers might be good to protect the truck!

I will so love to see them fly again. Armadillo was a favorite during the Xprize and Lunar Lander Xprize contests. Their launches at Spaceport America made it seem they were very close to having a working vehicle.

They blazed the trail with insurance and the FAA.

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« Reply #110 on: 12/30/2017 04:40 AM »
EXOS posted a pair of videos today - the first is a piece on what SARGE does (low-cost suborbital research opportunities via reusable rocket) including a lot of STIG footage, reminiscent of similar videos from other space startup companies.


The second video is more interesting: an actual tie-down test firing of their rocket (it's a 360-degree video, look down ;D ).  Worth noting that the tie-down test in today's video is longer (almost 60 seconds) than their previously released test footage (about 26 seconds back in August of this year).  Also, the August test was called "low pressure", with a "full power test coming soon".  There is no indication that this test was necessarily conducted at a higher pressure, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had expanded the envelope on multiple fronts over the past 4 months.
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Re: EXOS aerospace
« Reply #111 on: 02/23/2018 09:02 PM »
EXOS now have an FAA launch licence

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« Reply #112 on: 02/25/2018 12:39 AM »
EXOS now have an FAA launch licence

Quote from: FAA-AST
(ii) "Pre-fight ground operations"

Let's hope this doesn't mean Cantrell and Beck showing up to start a smallsat brawl. ;)

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« Reply #113 on: 03/02/2018 10:25 AM »
EXOS now have an FAA launch licence

Just to be clear, it's a suborbital launch license.
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« Reply #114 on: 03/25/2018 03:49 PM »
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WASHINGTON — With a key test completed and a launch license in hand, Exos Aerospace is preparing for the first flight of its reusable suborbital rocket in April.

https://www.space.com/40079-exos-aerospace-prepares-for-first-suborbital-launch.html

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« Reply #116 on: 04/20/2018 10:37 AM »
I was looking around for Exos on the internet and I came across this website:

https://www.theapeirongroup.com/

that mention Exos in their partners and space section (and also their education section is from Exos as well)

has anyone heard of this company before?
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« Reply #117 on: 05/03/2018 02:44 PM »
Exos have quietly replaced the launch countdown on their website with this notice;
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by Jeff Foust — August 13, 2018

GENOA, Nev. — Exos Aerospace, a Texas company developing a reusable suborbital rocket, now plans to carry out a first flight of its vehicle in late August as it sets its sights on a follow-on orbital vehicle.

In a statement, the company said it’s planning a launch of its Suborbital Autonomous Rocket with GuidancE, or SARGE, rocket Aug. 25 from Spaceport America in New Mexico.

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« Reply #119 on: 08/25/2018 12:04 PM »
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« Reply #120 on: 08/25/2018 04:46 PM »

Update streamed on YT about half an hour ago. They haven't finished setting up so looks like launch is a good while off.

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« Reply #121 on: 08/25/2018 05:40 PM »
Two new videos since then - one heading to the pad, one of the rocket being loaded onto the rail.  The T-0 quoted in their earlier video was 11am MST, 20 minutes from now, but according to Twitter they have a window until 1pm, 2 and a half hours from now.  Latest video just says that launch time will depend on fueling and safety checks, so we'll see.

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« Reply #122 on: 08/25/2018 06:03 PM »
Livestream is up, T-15 minutes was quoted back at 10:57 MST, so we should be about 9 minutes from launch right now, but there are still one or two techs near the rocket (as well as the truck).  Don't know if they'll bug out and then say go or what.


EDIT: Now at T-5, looking at 11:10 MST (18:10 UTC) for T-0.
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« Reply #123 on: 08/25/2018 06:12 PM »
Launch very soon.  Truck and crew just bugged out.

EDIT: Range Green.
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« Reply #124 on: 08/25/2018 06:17 PM »
LAUNCH!

Sure looked wonky, those first 100 feet or so...
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« Reply #125 on: 08/25/2018 06:19 PM »
Hearing reports of burnout.  Now waiting for return via chute - I'm not expecting word on performance until after that.

Heard something about "Chamber Pressure almost 300psi".  For anyone doing sims.
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« Reply #126 on: 08/25/2018 06:22 PM »
Nose out...  Drogue out...  Main's open!

Dumping fuel...

EDIT: Added more pics, including separate nosecone return.
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« Reply #127 on: 08/25/2018 06:36 PM »
Landed!  Looked soft, just like STIG.  Speaking of STIG, they say they chose a landing site about 200m from the launch site and control site, presumably after what happened with that one STIG test way back when.

They say another stream will be coming online once they get to the landing site.  I may not be able to see it live, but I'll link it afterwards if possible.
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« Reply #128 on: 08/25/2018 08:15 PM »
The rocket itself has been recovered, as shown in this video - there's also an interesting view of the aluminum struts that cushion the bottom of the rocket as it comes down.

EDIT: Added short video of them towing the rocket back.

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« Reply #129 on: 08/25/2018 09:27 PM »
What an awesome day!  8)

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« Reply #130 on: 08/25/2018 10:12 PM »
Congrats to all involved!  Look forward to EXOS releasing details (especially what apogee was acheived, and actual launch time)
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« Reply #131 on: 08/28/2018 06:45 PM »
Got the rocket unloaded at the shop today. Ill post some pictures soon. Had some damage, but it was minor and repairable.

We will be targeting another launch in 90-120 days.

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« Reply #132 on: 08/28/2018 07:10 PM »
Really great to hear that the rocket is in good shape, Brett! Is the turnaround more driven by the work required on the rocket, or the window for a new attempt?

Also, what apogee was reached on this flight?

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« Reply #134 on: 09/10/2018 09:46 AM »
From the article.

"In a mission report provided by the company a week and a half after the launch, Exos said that a GPS receiver on the rocket stopped providing data during the rocket’s ascent. That triggered an automatic shutdown of the rocket’s engine 38 seconds after liftoff, versus a planned duration of 62 to 65 seconds, said John Quinn, chief operating officer of Exos, Sept. 5."
...
"The cause of the GPS unit malfunction in the rocket is still being studied. The unit started providing data again later in the flight, and an inspection turned up no obvious damage to the unit, cabling or antennas."

I do know that commercial GPS receivers won't work above a certain speed, so that they can't be used in missiles. It would be a bit embarrassing if that was the case here!
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« Reply #135 on: 09/11/2018 01:07 AM »
From the article.

"In a mission report provided by the company a week and a half after the launch, Exos said that a GPS receiver on the rocket stopped providing data during the rocket’s ascent. That triggered an automatic shutdown of the rocket’s engine 38 seconds after liftoff, versus a planned duration of 62 to 65 seconds, said John Quinn, chief operating officer of Exos, Sept. 5."
...
"The cause of the GPS unit malfunction in the rocket is still being studied. The unit started providing data again later in the flight, and an inspection turned up no obvious damage to the unit, cabling or antennas."

I do know that commercial GPS receivers won't work above a certain speed, so that they can't be used in missiles. It would be a bit embarrassing if that was the case here!

In some cases it's a combo of e-fuses in an otherwise consumer GNSS chip to lockout some functionality, and firmware. Space rated ones don't have the fuses blown at the factory. A possible case then becomes accidentally flashing a consumer firmware onto the chip or otherwise blowing the e-fuses after delivery...


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« Reply #137 on: 10/14/2018 09:31 AM »
Got the rocket unloaded at the shop today. Ill post some pictures soon. Had some damage, but it was minor and repairable.

We will be targeting another launch in 90-120 days.
I haven't followed your company as it looked like yet another expendable VTO TSTO smallsat vehicle.

But being Armadillo alumni and looking to do reusability at this scale puts you in a different league.

Your willingness to challenge "What everybody knows" about smallsat LV's limits on recoverability, and your hands on experience (on a budget), suggest you may know something most of your competitors do not. 


Perhaps Sounding Rockets as a Service?

One thing I've never understood about people looking at reusability is their deep unwillingness to look at LOX cooling for combustion chambers, despite NASA's demonstrating safe 40 Klb LOX cooled operation (with deliberately damaged internal cooling channels) in the early 90's.





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« Reply #138 on: 10/15/2018 04:27 AM »
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/10/exos-aerospaces-sarge-platform-reusable-small-satellite-launcher/ - by Michael Baylor

Great article, lots of information and specificity on SARGE and what comes after (orbital by 2022, surprised that wasn't in the headline...)  (edit: and, after a bit of a google, the 2022 date is for commercial operations, with orbital testing planned for 2020).

Someone gave them some bad advice, though.  If you have a nice tagline, it should only ever be seen sitting just below your logo, and only ever said by the incredibly cool-sounding narrator you hire to deliver the last thing a customer hears in a video package ("EXOS. Space. Available.").  Please don't type it out, mark-required capitalization and spacing intact, as part of an interview response.

That said, literally everything else I know about them is cool and exciting.
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« Reply #139 on: 10/15/2018 04:24 PM »
They've just uploaded a pair of high-quality videos from (opposite sides of) the rocket - another benefit of recovering it!
Definitely got some roll going on late in the burn, though nothing a payload couldn't handle.
Great audio!
[EDIT: And a third one, of liftoff!]
[EDIT 2: One of the videos broke and got reuploaded.]


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« Reply #140 on: 10/15/2018 05:54 PM »
Livestream is up, T-15 minutes was quoted back at 10:57 MST, so we should be about 9 minutes from launch right now, but there are still one or two techs near the rocket (as well as the truck).  Don't know if they'll bug out and then say go or what.


EDIT: Now at T-5, looking at 11:10 MST (18:10 UTC) for T-0.

That was a much more impressive launch than anything Vector has done.

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« Reply #141 on: 10/15/2018 08:41 PM »
Perhaps Sounding Rockets as a Service?

Is that a sound business plan?  8)
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« Reply #142 on: 10/16/2018 03:09 AM »
They've just uploaded a pair of high-quality videos from (opposite sides of) the rocket - another benefit of recovering it!
Definitely got some roll going on late in the burn, though nothing a payload couldn't handle.
Great audio!

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I second the comment about the audio.  Fantastic.

There's also great information in the video descriptions:

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This was an excellent Pathfinder test flight that achieved approximately 100,000 feet. The recovery system worked properly on the way down, although we did experience a bit of a hard landing due to a system component failure. Nonetheless, anytime you can reuse a Suborbital Reusable launch Vehicle with spending only a few thousand dollars to have it flight ready again, you have had an amazing day! A few adjustments need to be made for the next flight to dial in all the parameters, but Exos is very pleased with a nominal flight with a new vehicle and, more notably, our first flight with modified NASA Morpheus software.

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On this Pathfinder flight, we decided to “light load” Liquid Oxygen by about 200#.  In order to do this We decided to put the launch stand on scales to weigh the LOX as we filled the tank. 

Placing the scales under the launch stool prevented us from bolting the launch stool down to the concrete Launchpad.  We expected the launch stool to be "rapidly displaced" on ignition.  What we did not expect was for the stool to impact the launch rail with enough force to sever the lower launch lug from the vehicle.

The severing of the launch lug induced a torque on the body of the vehicle that was corrected by the vehicle guidance system within 1 second after liftoff.  In the future: if scales are used for a test such as this, the launch stand will be mounted on standoffs that will allow scale use as well as to secure the launch stool from moving! 

The vehicle reached an angle of approximately 13 degrees and corrected exactly as simulated in the case of a launch anomaly.

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« Reply #143 on: 10/20/2018 08:55 AM »

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On this Pathfinder flight, we decided to “light load” Liquid Oxygen by about 200#.  In order to do this We decided to put the launch stand on scales to weigh the LOX as we filled the tank. 

Placing the scales under the launch stool prevented us from bolting the launch stool down to the concrete Launchpad.  We expected the launch stool to be "rapidly displaced" on ignition.  What we did not expect was for the stool to impact the launch rail with enough force to sever the lower launch lug from the vehicle.

The severing of the launch lug induced a torque on the body of the vehicle that was corrected by the vehicle guidance system within 1 second after liftoff.  In the future: if scales are used for a test such as this, the launch stand will be mounted on standoffs that will allow scale use as well as to secure the launch stool from moving! 

The vehicle reached an angle of approximately 13 degrees and corrected exactly as simulated in the case of a launch anomaly.
Impressive response from the control system.

AS an aside modern weighing systems use a force balance or "nulling" technique. The sensor is laser cut out of a solid block of metal and can measure the weight of a grain silo. I estimated it could have weighed the exact mass of the complete Shuttle stack to the nearest Kg.
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« Reply #144 on: 10/22/2018 02:56 PM »
Yeah, I find the ACS thrusters on the top of the rocket pretty impressive operating in near-vacuum. This (combined with their recovery capability) convinces me they're a cut above most of the rest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a0qKCLlACE?t=58

Watch starting at ~1 minute, looking up near the Sun.

This is a rocket that is precisely guided even in vacuum. Add some production capability (scale) and staging, and they should definitely be capable of orbit.

The question is if they're able to get enough capital to build an orbit-class version of Stig with multiple stages. The plus side is that the recovery capability means they should need a lot less capital for manufacturing than some of the other smallsat launchers. No giant, multi-hundred-million-dollar manufacturing plant needed for decent flight rates.
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« Reply #145 on: 11/13/2018 12:38 AM »
Here's some great footage of their first SARGE launch.


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