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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #201 on: 12/29/2013 03:17 AM »

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #202 on: 12/29/2013 06:59 AM »
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)

Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!

I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)

By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.

Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

Also refered to as 374БЛ04.

Just re-checking this, it appears that 131КС is for the whole Soyuz-2-1V, whilst 132КС is for something called Союз-2-1ВУ?

132КС is the first stage:-
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1116649/#message1116649
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1133416/#message1133416

Also fairing is 98КС, which was based on 11С529, which was based on 11С516.


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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #203 on: 12/29/2013 07:41 AM »
Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.

Unless the Iranians or some other player launch one unexpectedly!

Postponed to 2014 :(
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #204 on: 12/29/2013 08:35 AM »
     Some be-autiful pre-launch pics over on the NK forum :)

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #205 on: 12/29/2013 10:54 AM »
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #206 on: 12/29/2013 11:02 AM »
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).

No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #207 on: 12/29/2013 11:05 AM »
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.

You're right - I had completely forgotten about them.   Thank you.

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #209 on: 12/29/2013 07:01 PM »
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #210 on: 12/30/2013 04:50 AM »
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...

I was just about to post the same comment!  Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #211 on: 12/30/2013 01:46 PM »
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...

I was just about to post the same comment!  Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
An insider on NK says that Volga re-entered over the Pacific Ocean
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1181342/#message1181342
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #212 on: 12/31/2013 06:42 PM »
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #213 on: 12/31/2013 07:23 PM »
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #214 on: 12/31/2013 07:30 PM »
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #215 on: 01/01/2014 12:36 AM »
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.

Ah, interesting. Then that's a plausible explanation.
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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #217 on: 01/08/2014 07:29 PM »
Radar cross sections for the 5 in orbit objects have now been published:
Object A 10.316 mē (confirmed as 2nd stage)
Object B 0.634 mē (my guess: SKRL-756 #1)
Object C 0.137 mē (my guess: Adaptor 188 KS)
Object D 0.2693 mē (my guess: AIST)
Object E 0.630 mē (my guess: SKRL-756 #2)

(image source: TsSKB Progress)

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #218 on: 01/08/2014 08:48 PM »
I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.

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Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
« Reply #219 on: 01/08/2014 09:23 PM »
I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.

No, Volga and the attached "big adapter" re-entered over the South Pacific soon after separation of the "payloads".
The radar cross section of 10 mē is reflected by Soyuz second stage still in orbit (Object A)

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