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Re: NASA Contractor Arrested for Espionage. NTRS taken Offline
« Reply #135 on: 03/23/2013 06:15 PM »
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Why has it been changed to "unclassified" in '73?


The document was changed to "Unclassified" in 1973 because the "CONFIDENTIAL" classification given in 1961 was set to run out after 12 years.
1961 + 12 = 1973

Unlike the UK and Australia in the USA when creating a secure item you have to say how long it will be classified for.

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« Reply #136 on: 03/24/2013 12:08 AM »
In Australia we don't suffer from the same China paranoia as the USA.

When Hilary turned up she had to say something like "you can be friends with both of us". I got a laugh out of that.

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« Reply #137 on: 03/24/2013 12:46 AM »
In Australia we don't suffer from the same China paranoia as the USA.

You mean our government sold out to the Chinese decades ago.. there's still plenty of China "paranoia" in the mining industry (aka, the industry in Australia).
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« Reply #138 on: 03/24/2013 01:46 AM »
I didn't say there's zero China paranoia, just that it's not the same.

We're closer to Asia, we need to play things a little differently.

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« Reply #139 on: 03/24/2013 04:06 AM »
The NTRS action was stupid, but not liking China isn't just paranoia. China has a law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Secession_Law) formalizing their policy that if Taiwan publicly claims independence then they'll invade it. Taiwan's government (ROC) used to govern all of China until a 1949 revolution, so PRC calling it a rebellious province is historically wrong. Defending Taiwan against PRC aggression is a major challenge for the US.

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Re: NASA Contractor Arrested for Espionage. NTRS taken Offline
« Reply #140 on: 03/24/2013 07:03 AM »
I'm sorry for dragging it off topic.

Back to NTRS shall we?

What's the difference between "classified" and ITAR?

I assume that NASA contractors with access to information have to sign something that says they will take what they've seen to the grave.  :)

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« Reply #141 on: 03/24/2013 09:16 AM »
I'm sorry for dragging it off topic.

Back to NTRS shall we?

What's the difference between "classified" and ITAR?

I assume that NASA contractors with access to information have to sign something that says they will take what they've seen to the grave.  :)

We're on page 10 of this thread and you're only now asking what ITAR is?
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« Reply #142 on: 03/24/2013 10:08 AM »
Are some documents pre-ITAR and covered by different rules?

Is this just an attempt to dumb down everybody for fear that people outside America are surpassing them in technology because they're refusing to invest?

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« Reply #143 on: 03/24/2013 11:51 AM »
This is pretty much like McCarthyism in the 1950’s and is just about as effective. Nothing more than political theatre... While Wolf makes a big deal about documents in the public domain for years is the political equivalent of the “Dutch boy placing his finger in the dike to stop a leak”. China has no interest in attacking the U.S. and has no need to. They have already won the economic war with the complicit traitor- corporations that enabled the transfer of wealth to them and have no allegiance to the U.S. only to their stakeholders...
 
Sensitive technologies such as Kryton switches still get out without the aid of the NTRS...

Anyway, this thread really belongs on the space policy thread...
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« Reply #144 on: 03/24/2013 02:28 PM »
I just tried DTIC Online with seemingly no restrictions......

Did you actually download a paper, as opposed to view an abstract?

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Re: NASA Contractor Arrested for Espionage. NTRS taken Offline
« Reply #145 on: 03/24/2013 03:47 PM »
I just tried DTIC Online with seemingly no restrictions......

Did you actually download a paper, as opposed to view an abstract?
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« Reply #146 on: 03/24/2013 09:54 PM »
In Australia we don't suffer from the same China paranoia as the USA.

You mean our government sold out to the Chinese decades ago.. there's still plenty of China "paranoia" in the mining industry (aka, the industry in Australia).


Quite the opposite!

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Re: NASA Contractor Arrested for Espionage. NTRS taken Offline
« Reply #147 on: 03/24/2013 10:03 PM »
data is unclassified or classified.  Unclassified means anyone can see it.

Classified information means it is not revealable to people who have a need to know.  There are several levels of classification:

For Official Use Only.  This means while it may not be terribly classified, its dissemination is generally limited to those who have a need for it.

in the US, we have Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.  They all have different restrictions on who can see it.  And just because you have a security clearence, does not mean you can see anything that is within your clearence rating.  There are several other sub categories I will not go into.

ITAR can apply to both classified and unclassified data.

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« Reply #148 on: 03/24/2013 10:29 PM »
ITAR can apply to both classified and unclassified data.

As such, all this discussion of "classified material" is irrelevant.

You didn't finish. There, I fixed it for you.
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Re: NASA Contractor Arrested for Espionage. NTRS taken Offline
« Reply #149 on: 03/25/2013 12:15 AM »
I'm sorry for dragging it off topic.

Back to NTRS shall we?

What's the difference between "classified" and ITAR?

I assume that NASA contractors with access to information have to sign something that says they will take what they've seen to the grave.  :)

Psssst.  [Looks over shoulder.]  I just downloaded this report from 1962:

"Technical Report No. 32-457"

"Mariner Spacecraft Packaging"

PM me, and I'll send ya a copy.  But not a word to anyone else, ya hear? This is the kind of stuff that Mr. Wolf doesn't want Americans to see.  That's why he had NTRS shut down.
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