Author Topic: Dennis Tito's Inspiration Mars Foundation Pre Announcement Thread  (Read 85597 times)

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #320 on: 02/26/2013 08:22 PM »
How could you miss Mars bars? ;D

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #321 on: 02/26/2013 08:25 PM »
How could you miss Mars bars? ;D

Right, and the Mars Family has enough net worth to finance such a mission ;-)

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #322 on: 02/26/2013 09:05 PM »
"Diapers.com, keeping you warm and comfortable on EVA's"
That should get some money!

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #323 on: 02/26/2013 10:08 PM »
We just saw a LEGO space station sent and built on the ISS.  I am sure some money changed hands there.

 ... snip ...

$7M Lego (Make them edible)


I would be surprised if a lot of money (any money, actually) changed hands for the ISS model, but I'll ask some of my contacts...

As for edible LEGO elements, there's a competitive product

from http://www.oldtimecandy.com/candy-blox.htm

LEGO themselves may not be keen on gumming up their molds with sugar but they might authorise ... wait for it ... 3D printing using sugar!
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #324 on: 02/26/2013 10:47 PM »
One other interesting point about the IEEE paper--apparently the draft I saw was the final version, because the papers were due in by December. Which means that there are several issues they've made a lot more progress on since the paper was submitted. Wish I could be there in person to see the presentation next week.

When is the paper going to be published?

Sometime next week I think... The website doesn't say when the paper will be published, but I think IEEE charges for access to their papers.

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« Last Edit: 02/26/2013 10:50 PM by jongoff »

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #325 on: 02/26/2013 11:13 PM »
Thanks!

IEEE do charge, but not as much as some!
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #326 on: 02/27/2013 12:12 AM »
Is the required deltaV enormous?

Those pages from Larson & Pranke suggest pretty large delta-vees.  I don't know what a flyby trajectory should look like.  If they take any questions tomorrow, the best question for informing the armchair observers on this thread, would be regarding their proposed trajectory.


C3 = 38.8 km2/sec2
deltaV = 4.86 km/sec from a 100nm circular orbit
« Last Edit: 02/27/2013 01:44 PM by Calphor »

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #328 on: 02/27/2013 12:26 AM »
Relevant part being the end:

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Initial plans to use a heavy-lift rocket and capsule supplied by SpaceX, imploded, the industry officials said.

A spokeswoman for SpaceX said the company doesn't have a relationship with Mr. Tito's foundation.

Its latest concept carries a price tag of at least $1 billion, these officials said. Mr. Tito's group is talking to Boeing Co., BA +0.83% Lockheed Martin Corp. LMT -0.66% and NASA about possible hardware.

Joy.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #329 on: 02/27/2013 01:06 AM »
How could it cost $1 billion? As various people have claimed on this thread it should only cost less than a GEO comsat. $200 million tops.
« Last Edit: 02/27/2013 01:07 AM by Blackstar »

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #330 on: 02/27/2013 01:26 AM »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323384604578328631778830030.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#

if this is true this project is already dead :)

Any actual sources on the claims made in the article?  I read no names apart from "according to people familiar with the matter", "Industry officials" etc.  If true, I no longer see it happening. 

Surprised to see how many people in this thread seem to derive pleasure from wanting the plan to fail. ???

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #331 on: 02/27/2013 01:29 AM »
Nonono i would like it to work. Thats why the "if". We'll see i a couple of hours.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #332 on: 02/27/2013 01:40 AM »
Any actual sources on the claims made in the article?  I read no names apart from "according to people familiar with the matter", "Industry officials" etc.  If true, I no longer see it happening. 

Of course not. It's an Andy Pasztor article. If only we could get him working for Flight Global...

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Surprised to see how many people in this thread seem to derive pleasure from wanting the plan to fail. ???

"wanting" has nothing to do with it. What I want is someone who isn't wasting our time. If you're going to call a press conference at all, have it be something which is actually doable with the funding you have. Take your $100M to SpaceX (or Boeing, or Lockheed Martin, or whoever) and ask them what they can do. Decide if that's how you want to spend your money and, if so, tell us all about it, if you like. Preferably after the first year or two of work has been done so you know SpaceX isn't going to pull out of the deal. *cough*Stratolaunch*cough*.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #333 on: 02/27/2013 02:12 AM »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323384604578328631778830030.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#

if this is true this project is already dead :)

Why the smile?  Do you think being being "already dead" is a good thing?

It doesn't actually say the project it dead, only that unnamed "Industry officials" said that to use a heavy-lift rocket and space capsulefrom SpaceX "imploded". 

Discussions with Boeing and LM are being held.  Does this mean possible use of CST-100 and Orion? The article also talks about there being a formal relationship with NASA Ames.




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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #334 on: 02/27/2013 02:21 AM »
What's the pressurised volume of a CST-100?
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #335 on: 02/27/2013 02:25 AM »
Wondering if NASA wants to kill this project? SpaceX seems to want to be a long term NASA contributor for their projects. Elon Musk even stated so in a after splashdown interview. Is SpaceX attempting to help kill this project as a political way of aligning itself with future NASA missions? If SpaceX doesn't want the project not sure who would take it unless the Russians jumped in. Boeing can't take the ride, CST-100 is definitely not up for the job.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #336 on: 02/27/2013 02:30 AM »
Wondering if NASA wants to kill this project? SpaceX seems to want to be a long term NASA contributor for their projects. Elon Musk even stated so in a after splashdown interview. Is SpaceX attempting to help kill this project as a political way of aligning itself with future NASA missions?
If this is a Mars crewed flyby then what launch company would want to be part of this considering the risk of LOC during the in space flight?
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #337 on: 02/27/2013 02:32 AM »
Discussions with Boeing and LM are being held.  Does this mean possible use of CST-100 and Orion? The article also talks about there being a formal relationship with NASA Ames.
Keeping in mind Musk's repeated assertions that Mars is the ultimate goal:
If concept or schedule was to aggressive or scary for SpaceX to buy into, what are the chances of LM or Boeing wanting to get involved? Even if they did, the cost would go up a lot.

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #338 on: 02/27/2013 02:48 AM »
This project is dead already if SpaceX is not involved. Everyone else would have to go back to square one with their spacecraft. Dragon would need enough refitting. Not going to happen.

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #339 on: 02/27/2013 02:51 AM »
If this is a Mars crewed flyby then what launch company would want to be part of this considering the risk of LOC during the in space flight?

What is the supposed risk?  How much greater than current missions?
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