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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #120 on: 02/22/2013 06:55 AM »
The man sure knows how to inspire, I like his spirit.

Welcome to the forum.

I hope they inspire us with a funding stream this time.


Don't be so cynical. At least we can say with great confidence that they have more money than Golden Spike.

Seriously: Dennis Tito flew to ISS for a lot of money against the fierce resistance of NASA. That gives him at least some level of credibility on the funding and organizational side.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #121 on: 02/22/2013 07:36 AM »
The man sure knows how to inspire, I like his spirit.

Welcome to the forum.

I hope they inspire us with a funding stream this time.


Don't be so cynical.

How is expressing my hope cynical?

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At least we can say with great confidence that they have more money than Golden Spike.

Hopefully.

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Seriously: Dennis Tito flew to ISS for a lot of money against the fierce resistance of NASA. That gives him at least some level of credibility on the funding and organizational side.

yep.. and that credibility will be completely shot if he stands up next week and says "we're looking for sponsors and we're planning to do a crowd funding campaign" :)
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #122 on: 02/22/2013 08:33 AM »
G'day,

I think many hear are forgetting something . This expedition  has more in common  with Raphaela Le Gouvello voyages who  wind surfed the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans or  Justin Jones and James Castrission who were the first to Kayak the Tasman Sea. Its for adventurer-astronauts not NASA-astronauts.  Forgot about the BEAM. Save the extra mass for something else like backups. Put the  consumables in the trunk. In fact wrap them around a air lock so it can do double duty as a solar storm shelter. The astronauts stay in the 10sqM volume of the Dragon.  These are tough adventurer-explorers NASA civil servants.

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #123 on: 02/22/2013 08:46 AM »
What about including a space suit and so opening the Dragon hatch early on, push out your supplies tied to a rope and so have more room.  Then about once a month, put on the suit, pull in another month's supply and push out a month's amount of trash.

Then, while passing by Venus & Mars, go for an EVA to get the full experience.

AFAIK an EVA is quite resource-hungry. You are throwing away a whole cabin of atmosphere when you could be recycling it.
Maybe a better way to have external supplies would be to maximise the amount of systems and tanks stored in the Trunk.

Do we have CO2 scrubbing technology capable of meeting the needs of this mission?
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #124 on: 02/22/2013 09:02 AM »

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Seriously: Dennis Tito flew to ISS for a lot of money against the fierce resistance of NASA. That gives him at least some level of credibility on the funding and organizational side.

yep.. and that credibility will be completely shot if he stands up next week and says "we're looking for sponsors and we're planning to do a crowd funding campaign" :)


Yes, the crowdfunding campaign of Golden Spike is almost painfully embarrassing.

I think a good way to get everybodys attention would be to announce that he has placed a deposit for a FH launch in 2018.

The spacex manifest is pretty full, and they are widely known for highly optimistic schedules. A mars free return trajectory launch can not be delayed, and if they have a long list of commercial customers waiting for their delayed comsat launch in 2018 they won't be able to squeeze in a mars launch unless it is being put on the manifest pretty soon.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #125 on: 02/22/2013 09:18 AM »
G'day,

I think many hear are forgetting something . This expedition  has more in common  with Raphaela Le Gouvello voyages who  wind surfed the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans or  Justin Jones and James Castrission who were the first to Kayak the Tasman Sea. Its for adventurer-astronauts not NASA-astronauts.  Forgot about the BEAM. Save the extra mass for something else like backups. Put the  consumables in the trunk. In fact wrap them around a air lock so it can do double duty as a solar storm shelter. The astronauts stay in the 10sqM volume of the Dragon.  These are tough adventurer-explorers NASA civil servants.

Dragonrider doesn't have an airlock in the form I've seen it to date, so supplies in the trunk are worthless.  They MUST be either in the Dragon CM or in a module accessible through the Dragonrider's LIDS docking port.

You're right about this being a no-frills, high-odds ride though.  Whoever volunteers for this has to know that they are taking an enormous risk.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #126 on: 02/22/2013 09:49 AM »
I think a good way to get everybody's attention would be to announce that he has placed a deposit for a FH launch in 2018.

Unfortunately, I hear they've said the opposite: Dragon and Falcon Heavy is not finalized. "The astronauts could ride on any of a range of space vehicles."

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17038750-how-a-millionaire-spaceflier-intends-to-send-astronauts-past-mars-in-2018?lite
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #127 on: 02/22/2013 10:03 AM »
@ QuantumG,


I would say that Dragonrider/Falcon Heavy represents the most probable selection as other vehicles are further away from completion and this concept has a time-critical departure window.

Nonetheless, yes, this could be done with other types of spacecraft.  For example, you could use  ULA's Orion/ACES hybrid (maybe using a short-cut of the Boeing CST-100 instead of the Lockheed Orion), possibly with a MPLM-derived hab on top of the final propulsion stage.  However, that would be more costly and would take longer to get to flying status.

Another possibility would be to use a Soyuz-derivative.  However, that would seem to contradict the foundation's stated goal of inspiring American industry and popular imagination.

Overall, therefore, I would say that SpaceX's option has a head start on the competition.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #128 on: 02/22/2013 10:20 AM »
I would say that Dragonrider/Falcon Heavy represents the most probable selection as other vehicles are further away from completion and this concept has a time-critical departure window.

I don't disagree with you, but rklaehn's point was that Olsen could send a clear signal of how serious this effort is by announcing he had paid the deposit on a launch, and it seems clear already that he's not going to be doing that.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #129 on: 02/22/2013 10:57 AM »
G'day,

I think many hear are forgetting something . This expedition  has more in common  with Raphaela Le Gouvello voyages who  wind surfed the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans or  Justin Jones and James Castrission who were the first to Kayak the Tasman Sea. Its for adventurer-astronauts not NASA-astronauts.  Forgot about the BEAM. Save the extra mass for something else like backups. Put the  consumables in the trunk. In fact wrap them around a air lock so it can do double duty as a solar storm shelter. The astronauts stay in the 10sqM volume of the Dragon. 

Slurs against NASA astronauts aside, 5 cubic m per person just isn't going to work, not for 500 days, no matter how much you offload into the unpressuised trunk.  That's total pressurised volume, free volume is much less, about half to a third.  Five cubic m is about the volume of the toilet in an average house.

Crazy wind surfers and kayakers are still in the open air with the possibility of rescue, the Tasman was crossed by Jones and Castrission in 60 days, Le Gouvello crossed the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans in 58, 89 and 60 days. Going to past Mars is five to nine times longer.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #130 on: 02/22/2013 11:58 AM »
I hate space projects that list inspiration as a primary goal. Be inspiring by achieving something worthwhile!

Technology development is so underfunded at the moment. There are all these really worthwhile things that are not being investigated. We could start building something on the moon with robots or figure out if there is ice on phobos or build a functional mars base prototype here on earth for that sort of money. We could do the same mission but stay in LEO, using the money saved to develop and prove a life support system that really is robust for 500 days, or 1000 days, or longer. We could invest it in spaceX for grasshopper or ULA for ACES or depots or Bigelo and possibly even make our money back. instead we get another variation on shooting clowns from cannons.


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« Reply #131 on: 02/22/2013 12:02 PM »
The infrastructure serves missions, so if the missions aren't intrinsically valuable, the infrastructure can't be either. The focus on missions is 100% correct, unnecessary infrastructure and technology development are a distraction. The proper time to develop infrastructure and to do technology development is when there is enough demand to justify it.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #132 on: 02/22/2013 12:09 PM »
I hate space projects that list inspiration as a primary goal. Be inspiring by achieving something worthwhile!

It has been mentioned already. If successful this mission would achieve something very important. It will prove it is possible and make it impossible to hide behind arguments that claim it is not.

Radiation, weightlessness and duration will be demonstrated as not being showstoppers.


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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #133 on: 02/22/2013 12:27 PM »
Radiation, weightlessness and duration will be demonstrated as not being showstoppers.

These are already proved to a great extent. If you want to demonstrate >1 year self-sufficiency and reliability would it not be better to try out this in lunar orbit first, just in case something breaks down and you have to abort?

Tito's mission is that it either works or you may have dead bodies on free return trajectory.
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« Reply #134 on: 02/22/2013 12:30 PM »
Radiation, weightlessness and duration will be demonstrated as not being showstoppers.

These are already proved to a great extent. If you want to demonstrate >1 year self-sufficiency and reliability would it not be better to try out this in lunar orbit first, just in case something breaks down and you have to abort?

Tito's mission is that it either works or you may have dead bodies on free return trajectory.

And so what? That's the risk of all explorers. I see this as a real possibility to brake the LEO belt. Let's do it. Will give massive pressure on all state human space activities.

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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #135 on: 02/22/2013 12:31 PM »
I'll be tuning into the press conference on Wednesday hopefully alongside a billion other people envisioning their flight to the red planet whilst adding to the quantum wave to make the private mission happen. Question is will children be able to be taken along and, if so, what is the age cut off for travel? Could I be the first young mom space traveler with my son subsequently growing up on Mars?

Heard bits about this, another exciting but probably needs a load of money, drive:

MEDIA ADVISORY & INVITATION

Feb. 20, 2013                                                                                     

 

The Planets are Aligning for a Once-in-a-Generation Space Journey

Join us for a special press conference at The National Press Club

 

WHAT:

The Inspiration Mars Foundation, a newly formed nonprofit organization led by American space traveler and entrepreneur Dennis Tito, invites you to attend a press conference detailing its plans to take advantage of a unique window of opportunity to launch an historic journey to Mars and back in 501 days, starting in January 2018. This “Mission for America” will generate new knowledge, experience and momentum for the next great era of space exploration. It is intended to encourage all Americans to believe again, in doing the hard things that make our nation great, while inspiring youth through Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) education and motivation.

 

The Inspiration Mars Foundation is committed to accelerating America’s human exploration of space as a critical catalyst for future growth, national prosperity, new knowledge and global leadership.

 

WHO:               

·         Miles O’Brien, moderator

·         Dennis Tito, chairman of Inspiration Mars Foundation and the first private space traveler

·         Taber MacCallum, chief executive officer and chief technology officer of Paragon Space Development Corporation and crew member for two-year mission in Biosphere 2

·         Dr. Jonathan Clark, associate professor of Neurology and Space Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine and space medicine advisor for the National Space Biomedical Research Institute

·         Jane Poynter, president and chairwoman of Paragon Space Development Corporation and crew member for two-year mission in Biosphere 2

 

WHEN:

Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2013 at 1 p.m.

·         45-minute press conference, followed by Q&A period

 

WHERE:

The National Press Club

529 14th St NW, 13th floor

Washington D.C.




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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #136 on: 02/22/2013 12:33 PM »
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So a daily half hour tv spot per day with high lights?
Plus an internet subscription for live feeds, updates, and past info?
Multiple sponsors?

I would think the would want to send two sets of crews as a back up plan. More for launch failure than in space travel.

Probably not even that much.  I could see something like daily interviews and highlights (aka, silly zero-G tricks) for the first week or two.  After that, but public will get bored and maybe you could do once a week until you get close to Mars.  Then, back to daily near the Mars encounter and repeat the same sort of pattern as they return to near Earth. 

I could see a TV company paying quite a bit for exclusive rights on that, a few hundred million?  Still probably not enough to fund this ride. 
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #137 on: 02/22/2013 12:36 PM »
Radiation, weightlessness and duration will be demonstrated as not being showstoppers.

These are already proved to a great extent. If you want to demonstrate >1 year self-sufficiency and reliability would it not be better to try out this in lunar orbit first, just in case something breaks down and you have to abort?

This isn't necessarily about practicality (indeed, I'm not sure that's a criterion at all).  Yes, you can sit in lunar orbit or at one of the EML points for a year but... so what? However, if, half-way through the flight, you get to see and photograph a world and its moons that no human has ever seen with their unaided eyes before then that will be something that will make even the most jaded Joe Six-Pack sit up and say "Wow!" Then they'll be picking up their 'phone or opening an email form to ask their Congressman why NASA isn't doing something like this when that crazy Tito guy has done it.

That's the real goal here, IMHO.  It's to shame NASA into getting out of its "we need to develop a SHLV and build Battlestar Galactica first!" inaction negative feedback loop.
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Re: Inspiration Mars Foundation Press Conference
« Reply #138 on: 02/22/2013 12:37 PM »
And so what? That's the risk of all explorers.

It's a pointless risk when similar mission testing the same things could be carried out with less risk. They'd just fly by Mars, not much exploring there.
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« Reply #139 on: 02/22/2013 12:43 PM »
half-way through the flight, you get to see and photograph a world and its moons that no human has ever seen with their unaided eyes before then that will be something that will make even the most jaded Joe Six-Pack sit up and say "Wow!" Then they'll be picking up their 'phone or opening an email form to ask their Congressman why NASA isn't doing something like this when that crazy Tito guy has done it.

There would be a few days of media hoopla during flyby, and then it will die off. Even during Apollos the public attention faded soon after first mission. 13 rekindled it, briefly. Good news is boring news, bad news make the headlines. Now there's even much greater amount of things fighting for Joe's attention, I'm afraid space would loose even faster now.
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