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Re: ESA's Ministerial Council 2012
« Reply #1 on: 11/14/2012 09:37 PM »
Two days that decide Europeís space future: a citizenís briefing on ESA

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Ministerial_Council_2012/SEMQM772Q8H_0.html

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Re: ESA's Ministerial Council 2012
« Reply #2 on: 11/14/2012 10:07 PM »
A hugely important meeting for ESA, so many big issues to be decided on; Ariane5 ME/Ariane 6, Orion SM, Exomars, Lunar lander, MREP, ISS funding, Galileo, EDRS, GMES and many more.

And overshadowing it all are the negotiations over the future role of the EU.

Some comments from the head of DLR,
http://www.dlr.de/blogs/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5896/9578_read-602/
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Re: ESA's Ministerial Council 2012
« Reply #3 on: 11/20/2012 08:02 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/business/global/cash-short-europe-takes-aim-at-the-moon.html

The New York Times presents the things in a strange way especially since it is a US press outlet. It describes the participation in Orion without even mentioning Orion or MPCV. I wonder if the readers will make the connection.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20404963

BBC provides a good summary of the agenda.
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Re: ESA's Ministerial Council 2012
« Reply #4 on: 11/20/2012 08:19 AM »
First day of the council today....

Briefing by Dordain to ESA Staff on Friday...


Meet ESA, the space agency for Europe :


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Oh well, that is smart. "How much does ESA cost?" Answer: "The price of one cinema ticket for each European each year". Now there is an anology that the average Joe Sixpack (eh.. pardon me: Jan Modaal) can understand.

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Oh well, that is smart. "How much does ESA cost?" Answer: "The price of one cinema ticket for each European each year". Now there is an anology that the average Joe Sixpack (eh.. pardon me: Jan Modaal) can understand.


I'm waiting for the size of the Orion SM to be quoted in London buses...

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Just noticed the proposals gallery, first CGI look at Orion SM?

http://www.esa.int/images/ATVMPCVSM2.jpg

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Oh well, that is smart. "How much does ESA cost?" Answer: "The price of one cinema ticket for each European each year". Now there is an anology that the average Joe Sixpack (eh.. pardon me: Jan Modaal) can understand.


I'm waiting for the size of the Orion SM to be quoted in London buses...

Ha! Good one!

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BBC's Jonathan Amos tweeting that Exomars agreement has been approved.

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Just noticed the proposals gallery, first CGI look at Orion SM?

http://www.esa.int/images/ATVMPCVSM2.jpg
Yes sir. First one outside the sources we have seen so far.

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Curiously in the official proposals booklet there is an image of an ATV SM mated to a node module/hab, not sure what that's about.  All the other images, being in-house, seem accurate to what is proposed.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/multimedia/publications/ministerialcouncil2012/
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A few points from the German blog:

- The mood in the conference hall is extremely tense. One participant relates that he has never seen such tension before on an ESA MC. Rumors fly that the Conference might even fail. Tactics? exaggeration? Or something else?

- The big issue on the table is Ariane. As expected, the French are pushing all out for the immediate start of work on Ariane 6. The Germans are stubbornly hanging on to Ariane 5 ME, without really explaining why an even bigger version of Ariane 5 is needed. Both sides (French and Germany) are digging in their positions.

-Lunar lander (Germany) is indeed DOA. Perhaps a second chance in 2014.

- The ESA budget for the coming 3 years is down to 10 Billion Euros, in stead of the expected 12 billion. It means the budget is back at 2008 levels.

- 85 Proposals are to be decided on by the ESA ministers. They were presented on a single, tightly printed A3 sheet. Many proposals have been stricken already.

- The space-debris radar tracking system (SSA component 1) has been cancelled.

- This afternoon the negotiations on individual ESA proposals will kick-off.
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Curiously in the official proposals booklet there is an image of an ATV SM mated to a node module/hab, not sure what that's about.  All the other images, being in-house, seem accurate to what is proposed.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/multimedia/publications/ministerialcouncil2012/

Well, it is consistent with rumors of a DSH.
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Curiously in the official proposals booklet there is an image of an ATV SM mated to a node module/hab, not sure what that's about.  All the other images, being in-house, seem accurate to what is proposed.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/multimedia/publications/ministerialcouncil2012/

Well, it is consistent with rumors of a DSH.

ATV/Lab as an interim mission module is something that has been floating around in various people's minds since the DIRECT 3.0 days.  Attached to  DCUS, it could be boosted to HLO by the first cargo SLS flight (SLS-03?) to await a crew (EM-3?).

This is hypothetical, of course; dependent on funding.
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I think this is a VAC delivering a Node to the ISS. Remember this is a catalogue of projects: one image for MPCV-SM, one image for VAC.
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Curiously in the official proposals booklet there is an image of an ATV SM mated to a node module/hab, not sure what that's about.  All the other images, being in-house, seem accurate to what is proposed.

http://esamultimedia.esa.int/multimedia/publications/ministerialcouncil2012/

Well, it is consistent with rumors of a DSH.

ATV/Lab as an interim mission module is something that has been floating around in various people's minds since the DIRECT 3.0 days.  Attached to  DCUS, it could be boosted to HLO by the first cargo SLS flight (SLS-03?) to await a crew (EM-3?).

This is hypothetical, of course; dependent on funding.
Not even that. Because it's not even an official proposal on the council. Only the SM for Orion is.

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ATV/Lab as an interim mission module is something that has been floating around in various people's minds since the DIRECT 3.0 days.

And in ESA's mind since long before that.
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