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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1665 on: 06/01/2012 07:25 AM »
I didn't think the attack ad was appropriate, though, and I bet PWR management doesn't look back on it as the smartest ad campaign they've ever done.
It added fuel to SpaceX' fire.  If the company's supposed to appreciate bigger picture as in Cold War and saving American lives... It ought to appreciate throwing fuel on the fire of healthy competition.

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1666 on: 06/01/2012 08:57 AM »
Wooo hoo! :D I need to unwind in the party thread here... I'm very excited!

And the "blind squirrels" of SpaceX are two for two, I guess. :D


3 for 3, if you want to talk about Falcon 9 successes.  Or is that 100% success rate (albeit only a 3-flight history) ?

PASS THE BLIND SQUIRRELS SOME KOOL-AID!  ;)

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1667 on: 06/01/2012 09:08 AM »
What is the "blind squirrels" reference??


Based on the cliche: "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then"

An oft-repeated Jim-ism:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22041.msg667671#msg667671


[EDIT: that reference took some serious searching!]
« Last Edit: 06/01/2012 09:09 AM by Chandonn »

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1668 on: 06/01/2012 09:28 AM »
come to think of it...
this was actually the first spacecraft splashdown i have seen live ever (or first in my lifetime for that matter)

Sheesh... Rookies! I remember watching all of the Apollos from 11 on hit the drink.



 
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I remember them as far back as Gemini.  I'm a little too young to remember watching Mercury, although my father always said that I was sitting in his lap for MR-3.  I was also 3 at the time.

Of course I saw those Gemini splashdowns in black & white.  In fact, my family got our first color TV on the day of Apollo 10's splashdown.  My dad plugged it in, turned it on, and...nothing.  He hooked up the B&W again and we watched it on that.

It was easier to hook up TVs in those days.  You just plugged in the cord to the electrical outlet and extended the rabbit ear antennas.   :)

Edit:  Now that I think of it, those B&W splashdowns were clearer than the color one we saw this morning.   :D

I was 4 or 5 at the time, so maybe I'm not remembering this right... but I seem to recall sitting transfixed in front of the TV, watching the Gemini gantry slowly lower itself to the ground after launch.  Did it really do that?
Here is you answer and look it’s in color!  :D


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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1669 on: 06/01/2012 10:50 AM »
What is the "blind squirrels" reference??
When SpaceX managed to launch F9, Jim dismissed it as "even blind squirrel can sometimes get nut". It was after second successful launch, mind you.
Certain folks never let live it down...  ;D
« Last Edit: 06/01/2012 10:53 AM by Mader Levap »
So let me get this straight....we are talking monkeys living on a dirt ball that circles a fireball? What the...?

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1670 on: 06/01/2012 11:07 AM »
What is the "blind squirrels" reference??
When SpaceX managed to launch F9, Jim dismissed it as "even blind squirrel can sometimes get nut". It was after second successful launch, mind you.
Certain folks never let live it down...  ;D

Don't you mean Spacex 

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1671 on: 06/01/2012 11:11 AM »
What's the next big thing to look forward to from SpaceX? The Grasshopper tests?
Some non-government customers getting their payloads to orbit would be absolutely AWESOME

Yes, there is one big milestone yet to go, they still have not flown the satellite fairing yet! Which flight on the manifest is supposed to test that puppy?  And will the operational CRS flights include satellites on the second stage?
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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1672 on: 06/01/2012 11:36 AM »
LOL

Antares is right - the guys with the graphics know-how often miss some important detail.

Shame that pic shows 36 mins before the launch!

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1673 on: 06/01/2012 01:12 PM »
On Jimology

Jim doesn't have any patience for giddiness, and generally enjoys imposing realism (a required function on a serious board like this).  I don't think he was saying that Spacex is a blind squirrel, he was saying that a couple of lucky launches don't make a reliable spacecraft so everybody calm down.  Just like statistics, I assume his derision will trend towards zero with subsequent successful launches, and just like statistics, I doubt he'll ever throw his hat in the air for the slow process of turning something risky into something routine.  (The apocryphal "GO BABY GO" post notwithstanding.)

That having been said, he does usually seem to ignore the question about what will get him excited - that is to ask Jim, what's the smallest thing on their to-do list that you would consider historic?  Private crew -> ISS?  Retrothruster landing?  1st stage flyback?  ...Mars?

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1674 on: 06/01/2012 01:40 PM »

That having been said, he does usually seem to ignore the question about what will get him excited - that is to ask Jim, what's the smallest thing on their to-do list that you would consider historic?  Private crew -> ISS?  Retrothruster landing?  1st stage flyback?  ...Mars?

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Historic and what gets me excited is two different things.  I would be excited if Spacex launched a spacecraft that I was working on.

As for Spacex is plans (I am going to add to your list)

Falcon 1, Falcon 9, C1, C2/3, CRS1, Private crew,  Retrothruster landing, 1st stage flyback, etc are too incremental to be giddy about for one lanch.  STS-1 was everything at once, not to mention the gap since ASTP.  First Pegasus was cool (it was unique).  First Titan IV (since I worked on the payload).  Apollo missions since I was young and spaceflight was still unique.  First Spacehab mission, since I was intimately involved (that was a day long blur after launch).  First Atlas V, Delta IV, Falcon 9, not so much since they did not stray to far from standard rocket configurations. (after all, I have see more than 1/2 of the shuttle launches and maybe over 200 ELV launches)

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1675 on: 06/01/2012 02:57 PM »
Historic and what gets me excited is two different things.  I would be excited if Spacex launched a spacecraft that I was working on.

As for Spacex is plans (I am going to add to your list)

Falcon 1, Falcon 9, C1, C2/3, CRS1, Private crew,  Retrothruster landing, 1st stage flyback, etc are too incremental to be giddy about for one lanch.  STS-1 was everything at once, not to mention the gap since ASTP.

What about if/when they are the company that ends "the gap".  Would that qualify for giddy?

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1676 on: 06/01/2012 03:05 PM »
Falcon 1, Falcon 9, C1, C2/3, CRS1, Private crew,  Retrothruster landing, 1st stage flyback, etc are too incremental to be giddy about for one lanch.
Huh. Of that list I think first stage flyback and reuse would be a pretty significant and important first. The only stages to be recovered so far are indestructible steel tubes, and many others have wanted to do it but never been able to make it work.

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1677 on: 06/01/2012 03:16 PM »
Well remember, COTS was really Mike Griffin's baby in the first place...

Something I think too many Constellation-haterz don't remember often enough.

Maybe some fellow CxP-haters forget that Mike Griffin actually did one or two smart things during his time at NASA HQ, but I'm not one of those. My only beef was that discussions pre-Griffin had made it sound like they were going to pursue commercial cargo and crew in parallel, not as a "let's do cargo first, and only think about solving the crew situation down the road" deal like we ended up getting.

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Ironically Griffin both helped and hurt commercial spaceflight. Helped by starting COTS/CRS ect but hurt it by basically railing against it on capitol hill any time someone criticized Ares in favor of commercial.


The guy still makes no sense to me to this date. He acted like he knew what he was doing half the time, and the other half of the time he directly contradicted himself.
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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1678 on: 06/01/2012 03:24 PM »
Historic and what gets me excited is two different things.  I would be excited if Spacex launched a spacecraft that I was working on.

Well, I heard SpaceX was hiring.  Maybe not your cup of tea, but just putting it out there.  ;D  I have no idea what your current job is, but it seems like it's something really important within either NASA or another space company.

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Re: OMG it's the SpaceX Party Thread!
« Reply #1679 on: 06/01/2012 03:24 PM »
What is the "blind squirrels" reference??
Based on the cliche: "even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then"
An oft-repeated Jim-ism:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22041.msg667671#msg667671
[EDIT: that reference took some serious searching!]

wow. So SpaceX will be considered "blind squirrels" until their launch success rate surpasses 90% including the first three failures. That means, if they achieve a 100% launch success here on out, the 30th launch (27th success) will be when SpaceX earns it's eyesight. Looking forward to it!
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