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Offline BTE-Dan

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Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« on: 05/08/2012 01:33 AM »
And now for some fun thinking outside the box about what we could do in space when ignoring the issues of politics and funding ...

The BuildTheEnterprise (BTE) website describes how to build the first USS Enterprise spaceship, based on technologies within our reach, over the next twenty years.

It has 1g gravity, shielding for missions away from earth, can hold a 1000 people, and can enable the building of large underground bases on Mars and the moon also with 1g gravity. So what are we waiting for?

www.buildtheenterprise.org

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #1 on: 05/08/2012 02:48 AM »
I don't know if to laugh or cry....
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #2 on: 05/08/2012 03:27 AM »
How many years of NASA's budget does it take to get to $1,000,000,000,000?

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #4 on: 05/08/2012 03:59 AM »
How were they planning on getting that into orbit? If not, how were they planning to construct that in orbit?
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #5 on: 05/08/2012 05:21 AM »
A trillion dollars is $50 billion per year over 20 years. From the site:

“It is proposed that the US dedicate .27% of its GDP each year to the NASA Enterprise program.  …To get some sense of what spending .27% of the GDP each year will mean, consider that between 1963 and 1972, during the Apollo era, the US spent on average .50% of GDP per year as shown in the center column in the table to the right. This is about double the level of spending proposed for funding the Enterprise program.

.27% of GDP will be about $40 billion for the year 2012. $40 billion is certainly a lot of money to spend – but it’s not that much when you consider that the federal budget in 2012 is $3700 billion ($3.7 Trillion). $40 billion seems like pocket change from the perspective of federal spending. $40 billion is 1.1% of the 2012 federal budget. This compares to an average of 2.8% of the federal budget which was spent each year on NASA between 1963 and 1972 as shown in the rightmost column in the table above.”

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #6 on: 05/08/2012 06:17 AM »
I don't know if to laugh or cry....
I laughed mostly.
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #7 on: 05/08/2012 09:32 AM »
Building a ship from a Sci-Fi franchise is not really thinking outside the box. In fact i really cant imagine more inside-the-box-thinking :D There are, even in Sci Fi much more feasible and realistic and efficient designs then this ship.
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #8 on: 05/08/2012 10:15 AM »
I'd rather build Serenity
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #9 on: 05/08/2012 10:42 AM »
Being a Star Trek fan for more than 40 years, on one hand I admire their passion. On the other, I can't believe their naivete - if that's what it actually is. They would be far, far better off forming a movement to push proper funding for both taxpayer/NASA space and better incentives, prizes and tax benefits for private space: so as to accelerate new technologies including Propellant Depots, zero-boiloff cryogenic propulsion, nuclear-thermal, nuclear-electric and nuclear-plasma drives, total life support recycling, radiation shielding, efficient Heavy Lift and re-usable launchers and spacecraft, efficient artificial gravity solutions, advanced space medicine.....

I could go on! In short, all the 'Holy Grails' of exploration technology that will open up the Solar System - all the technologies and procedures that we know are wanted and needed, but in recent years have been deferred by endless budget cuts, lack of leadership and courage, 'Not Invented Here' etc etc.

With stable funding and leadership, and some risk-taking courage, we just might then attain a Space Exploration destiny that points the way toward the kind of wondrous 'Star Trek' like future that these folk are fantasizing about.

I would say to them: Do not pursue a sci-fi fantasy - pursue the glorious reality that is, as of today, just a few years and dollars beyond our reach. Build some real spaceships. Later on, call them whatever you like, Enterprise included. But don't shape it like the fantasy Starship - doing so would be a fetish at best.
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #10 on: 05/08/2012 11:20 AM »

I just wish they would have built the one in Las Vegas!

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #11 on: 05/08/2012 12:02 PM »
I love the "raise taxes slightly" funding method.

Seriously the folks behind this should just be embarrassed At themselves
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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #12 on: 05/08/2012 12:27 PM »
Well if we are going to go down this “what if mind game” I guess they should build this first... ;D

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #13 on: 05/08/2012 12:44 PM »
Many commenters seem to think because the funding and politics seem impossible that this makes thinking about building the Enterprise not worthwhile. Well, you are entitled to that opinion.

However, the question for those who might find this interesting is: Why is it technically not possible. A magnetically suspended gravity wheel is possible to create 1g gravity. Very scaled up ion propulsion engines are possible. Very scaled up nuclear reactors are possible. If $50 billion per year was sent on a NASA Enterprise program, amazing things could be done.

We can think solely within the pitifully small budget constraints that NASA is handed. But then it is hard to think very big. What - in 20 years or so we take a one-shot mission to Mars? Then we are done with it, just like after we went to the moon. This is why, at least to me, it is fun and worthwhile to think about what could be done if NASA was still funded like it was during the Apollo era. If that is a dream gone too far, well shoot me.

But also, I challenge anyone to show that what I proposed on the BuildTheEnterprise site can't be done from a technical point of view.

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Re: Building The Gen1 USS Enterprise, Really
« Reply #14 on: 05/08/2012 01:41 PM »

But also, I challenge anyone to show that what I proposed on the BuildTheEnterprise site can't be done from a technical point of view.

It can't, period. It can't meet the requirements you impose on it.

The structure and design is totally wrong for the task.
it is unbalanced
it has no room for propellant.
it has no radiators
The propulsion system can not meeting the 90 day to Mars requirementl
The "magnetically suspended gravity wheel" which I take to mean a centrifuge, is in the wrong plane for control of the vehicle.

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