Author Topic: FAILURE: Proton-M launch with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 - August 6, 2012  (Read 71311 times)

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?
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Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.

The chances of a Briz-M failure during the MLM launch are fairly small.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.
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http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19399

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  The work of the Interdepartmental Commission
 August 7, 2012 ::
 
       On August 7 at the Federal Space Agency-led by V.A.Popovkin a meeting of the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) was held to analyze the causes of the abnormal launch of carrier rocket "Proton-M" with upper block (RB) "Briz-M" and spacecraft "Express MD2 "and" Telkom-3 ', which occurred on the eve from the Baikonur cosmodrome.
 
       On the first day the members of the IDC conducted a rapid analysis of the received telemetry data, based on which a preliminary conclusion can be drawn about the normal functioning of the management system of the Briz-M RB. It is also noted that the RB engine did not come out to the nominal thrust, as a result it was automatically shut-off.   

Until the causes of the contingency are elucidated, preparations for RB launches are suspended.
 
     In the Commission, which is headed by the First Deputy General Director of FSUE TsNIIMash O.P.Skorobogatov, were formed six working groups in key areas.   

During the meeting were heard the leaders of the enterprises - manufacturers of rocket and space technology V.E.Nesterov (Director General of Khrunichev), A.S.Syrov (Chief Designer of FSUE OKB "Mars"), V.A. Petrik (CEO of KBHM.Isaev).   

Addressing the participants of the meeting, the head of the Russian Federal Space Agency asked to organize a thorough search for the causes that led to the contingency, and "not a witch hunt." According to him the degree of guilt of specific employees from the chief to the department manager of the agency, will be judged only after carrying out all necessary verification activities. Also required staff modifications will be implemented. "A number of media statements by unnamed representatives of the aerospace industry that personnel actions concerning a number of leaders have already been taken are not true", - said V.A.Popovkin.   

On August 8 the members of the Commission will continue their work at Khrunichev.
« Last Edit: 08/08/2012 08:38 AM by input~2 »

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Reflections from Jakarta;

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/08/08/telkom-may-lose-200m-over-satellite-launch-fiasco.html

Explanations from the insurance company, Alfa, regarding Telkom-3 insurance;

http://tasstelecom.ru/news/one/11974


Explanations from the insurance company, Ingosstrakh, regarding Express-MD2 insurance
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http://top.rbc.ru/society/07/08/2012/663453.shtml


« Last Edit: 08/08/2012 06:54 AM by osiossim »

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.

Hardly -  these satellites were built for direct GEO insertion by the launch vehicle and therefore don't have a apogee propulsion system.

And there is no real use for a GEO comsat in LEO.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.

Hardly -  these satellites were built for direct GEO insertion by the launch vehicle and therefore don't have a apogee propulsion system.

And there is no real use for a GEO comsat in LEO.

Do it the other way; drain their RCS system to bring the perigee all the way down and dispose of them quicker.
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Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.

The chances of a Briz-M failure during the MLM launch are fairly small.


That made me about fall off my chair :D

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The infamous "foreign particles" could be back!
http://news.mail.ru/incident/9853062/  (in Russian)

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The alarmist tone of the article and defeatist rethoric just confirm there's certainly a latent veneer of bad faith within the "western" press and space "experts". Russian achievements are treated with indifference, to the point where it's necessary to dig the internet for a while if one wants to get acquainted with most missions, while articles about failures linger for weeks.
Take the New York Times for example, two weeks with the article about the glitches of the new Kurs at the front page, while the success of the second try or the new rendezvous weren't even mentioned.
A lot of people can't get over the fact the Cold War ended or that another nation made milestones in space exploration before theirs.

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Umm.. that's standard for any sort of reporting. Dog Bites Man is not news..

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Depends, is it Lindsey Lohan that got bit?

Honestly, the article is beyond ... $2 million, really, btw. I noticed a similar number in the Jakara Post articles posted earlier. Same paragraph even, they spent $200 million, the insurance will provide them with $7 million. I wonder if the translation error is the cost of the policy. $7 million could be be correct....
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I had to post the article here simply because it's one of the worst space-related news articles I've ever read.

Not quite as bad as the Russia Today article claiming Buran was built to steal Skylab, but still pretty bad. Poorly written, evidence of bad translations ("literally scratching?"), shows a lack of knowledge, plays uncertain but low risks, and to top the cake, puts a mysterious value on junk, yet not one that could actually be intended to mean the lost value.

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Honestly, the article is beyond ... $2 million, really, btw. I noticed a similar number in the Jakara Post articles posted earlier. Same paragraph even, they spent $200 million, the insurance will provide them with $7 million. I wonder if the translation error is the cost of the policy. $7 million could be be correct....

I understand that the cost of insurance is about 7 M $ for Telkom-3, not the amount of reimbursement. On the article below, Telkom official state that; "The 200 million U.S. dollar satellite was insured so Telkom need not worry about incurring any major losses from the failed launch."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sci/2012-08/08/c_131770671.htm

So, they should be fully covered. Otherwise heads will fly in Jakarta too, as same as in Moscow!

Remember, Mr. Perminov was also sacked by Putin, due to the insurance fraud of previously failed 3 Glonass-M satellites during the launch with Proton.
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According to an unnamed source in the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) quoted by the Russian online newspaper Kommersant, the most probable cause of the failure is a mechanical damage to a Briz-M engine fuel line after the second burn.
According to the same source the ban on Proton-M/Briz-M launches will be lifted before the end of next week.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1998005  (in Russian)

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According to the Jakarta Globe an Indonesian state-owned insurance company may have to pay up to US$180 million for the loss of Telkom-3
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/missing-telkom-satellite-prompts-russia-space-record-doubts/536722
(BTW the author of the article shows that he has read Chris' presser on the event :) )
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