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Ekspress-MD2 satellite is under thermo-vacuum testing in NITs RKP.

http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=2318 (pictures)

http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=2318 (more pictures)
« Last Edit: 08/07/2012 02:27 AM by Chris Bergin »
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According to Novosti kosmanavtiki forum, the launch is planned on May 31st.

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According to Novosti kosmanavtiki forum, the launch is planned on June 30th.

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The launch is planned on July 5th.

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Roskosmos video about the delivery of Telcom-3:


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Briz-M (99531) upper stage for this mission was today delivered to Baykonur: http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19159 (in Russian).

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According to http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=251943, a new launch date is July 15.

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The launch is planned on July 25th.

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The launch is planned on July 26th.

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According to Novosti Kosmonavtiki forum, the launch is planned on August due to problem with Ekspress-MD2
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According to Novosti Kosmonavtiki forum, the launch is planned on August 6th.
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Launch time is 19:31 UTC.

Delay was related to problems with Briz-M upper stage.
« Last Edit: 07/26/2012 11:26 AM by anik »

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NOTAM for Proton 3rd stage drop zone
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A3188/12 -  QWMLW THE RUSSIAN FEDERAL SPACE AGENCY HAS PLANNED A MISSILE  LAUNCH.  DEBRIS FROM THIS LAUNCH WILL FALL WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY  2515N/16000E  2600N/16045E  2330N/16335E  2245N/16248E BACK TO THE  POINT OF ORIGIN.  IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY ALL NON-PARTICIPATING AIR TRAFFIC ARE ADVISED TO AVOID THE NOTAMED AREA.  IFR AIRCRAFT UNDER  ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND THE NOTAMED AREA. SFC - UNL, 1930-2100Z DLY, 06 AUG 19:30 2012 UNTIL 09 AUG 21:00 2012. CREATED: 30 JUL 17:57 2012

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Khrunichev information about this mission:
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State Commission has given green light for the transport of the Proton-M/Briz-M launch vehicle with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 to the launch complex
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19385 (in Russian).
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Proton-M/Briz-M with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 was transported to the launch complex
http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=2570 (in Russian).
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From my email:

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Dear Sirs!

The Proton-M - Breeze-M launch vehicle with the В«Telkom-3В» and В«Express-MD2В» satellites on board is scheduled to be launched from Baikonur Cosmodrome on 06.08.2012 at 19 h 31 m 00 s UTC (06.08.2012 23 h 31 m 00 s Moscow Local Time).
Real time broadcast of the launch will be available from 30 minutes before start on the Khrunichev Space Center web site:
http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=201
without password.
The videoreporting from Baikonur will not be conducted for technical reasons.

Owners of PDA can watch the launch in test mode on
http://www.space-center.ru - new vertion.

Best regards,
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NOTAM for Proton 1st stage drop zone
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K0447/12 -  ATS ROUTE SEGMENTS CLSD: 1.A113 TIROK-GISIR FROM 25 TO 65 KM. 2.B822 LUGER-DINBO FROM 35 TO 75 KM. SFC/UNL. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1920/2010, 06 AUG 19:20 2012 UNTIL 09 AUG 20:10 2012. CREATED: 03 AUG 09:00 2012

NOTAM for Proton 2nd stage and fairing
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P2324/12 -  ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: A814 ARNUL - LANBI B206 ARNUL - AKTAS G489 TELRU - AKTAS. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1920-2010, 06 AUG 19:20 2012 UNTIL 09 AUG 20:10 2012. CREATED: 02 AUG 06:56 2012

(for the locations of the waypoints refer here)

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Proton-M/Briz-M with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 was transported to the launch complex
Photo:

http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=2571
« Last Edit: 08/06/2012 08:20 AM by Artyom. »
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State commission has given "go" for a fuelling of Proton-M rocket.
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19392 (in Russian)
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Do we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?

And is this a Briz-M five burn profile?

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Cool! That helps and I can give Gunter some accreditation! :)

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Do we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?

And is this a Briz-M five burn profile?

Four burns
http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=595
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg935671#msg935671

Edit by input~2: correct coopi.khrunichev. ru link:http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=606
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 The original plan was to launch Telkom-3 with Yamal-300K, using the 74·5° azimuth to a 48° initial orbit. Ekspress-MD2 was to be launched with Ekspress-AM8.
 The failure of JCSAT11 lead to the closure of the 48° orbit.

http://infox.ru/science/universe/2010/11/09/Kazahstan_podportil_.phtml
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19646.msg514402#msg514402
http://www.caemc.ru/caemc/page.php?trid=3716

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Live broadcast:
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T-2 hours 24 minutes
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T-103 minutes  :)
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T-103 minutes  :)

Good that you're around -totally forgot about this one.
Let's hope for another success today!


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Tower moving away..

( screenshot is from http://www.tv-tsenki.com/live6.php )
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..and backing further off.
now I gotta go, havent eaten anything since 0600 this morning and I have been online the whole time - hope I can get some grub and still make the launch

I really love these days - with CCiCap, MSL and throw in a good proton now and then  ;D

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T-60 min
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« Last Edit: 08/06/2012 07:27 PM by input~2 »

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T-30 min
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T-20 min
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T-10 min
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Made it here just in time.

Darn work keeps interfering my space activities...

Also have to rely on screenshots as I can't access live streams @ work.
« Last Edit: 08/06/2012 07:27 PM by Beemer »
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http://www.tv-tsenki.com/live6.php is a very good webcast. No sound but a nice view of the white Proton-M.

This is Artyom's launch coverage, but I'll grab a nice launch shot :)

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AND LAUNCH!!!
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She's a beauty!

LAUNCH!!

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Wow that was beautifull!

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Great job as usual people! :)
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edit: 1st/2nd stage sep
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1st stage was visible at staging there, as a nice dimmer light with the 2nd stage in front.

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Edit: 2nd/3rd stage sep
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smoke at the pad.

gotta say, that was an amazing liftoff- excellent view.

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edit: TM data confirming Briz-M 1st burn
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Lift-off at 1:03
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Briz-M 2nd burn ignition

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Briz-M 2nd burn shutdown


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Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?

Google translation says:

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August 7 during the breeding parent block (RB, "the Briz-M" spacecraft and 2) was not detected in the transfer orbit. The signal from the headunit (GB) was adopted with an emergency intermediate orbit.
     According to preliminary information, the inclusion of cruise propulsion system (PS), RB, "the Briz-M" was the estimated time. Shutdown control occurred in 7 seconds instead of the estimated 18 minutes 5 seconds.
     GB means accompanied Troops Air and Space Defense and Space Agency.
     Conducted an analysis of the situation.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19396
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Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?
Google translation says:

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August 7 during the breeding parent block (RB, "the Briz-M" spacecraft and 2) was not detected in the transfer orbit. The signal from the headunit (GB) was adopted with an emergency intermediate orbit.
     According to preliminary information, the inclusion of cruise propulsion system (PS), RB, "the Briz-M" was the estimated time. Shutdown control occurred in 7 seconds instead of the estimated 18 minutes 5 seconds.
     GB means accompanied Troops Air and Space Defense and Space Agency.
     Conducted an analysis of the situation.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19396

However Google Russian translations aren't the most reliable


shaky translation or not a 7 second burn doesn't sound good...
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shaky translation or not a 7 second burn doesn't sound good...

I would agree yes.
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Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?

Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.
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If this is the case, that's the end of Khrunichev in their current form.

And maybe they go back to using Block-DM.

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Forgive me for not being up to speed (no pun intended) on the Briz-M performance design, but does this strand the satellites in an improper orbit or are they coming back down?
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Forgive me for not being up to speed (no pun intended) on the Briz-M performance design, but does this strand the satellites in an improper orbit or are they coming back down?

They are stranded in a roughly ~250 x 5000 km x 50 degrees inclination orbit, so the whole stack could be coming down within the next few weeks.
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My translation,

7 Aug during insertion of the payload module (Briz-KM stage and
two satellites) it was not delivered to the transfer orbit.
A signal from the payload module was received from an
erroneous intermediate orbit.
 According to preliminary information, the  ignition of the Briz-M main
engine was carried out at the planned time. Shutdown of the engine
occurred after 7s instead of the planned 18m 5s.  Analysis of the
situation [is to be carried out?]




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My translation,

7 Aug during insertion of the payload module (Briz-KM stage and
two satellites) it was not delivered to the transfer orbit.
A signal from the payload module was received from an
erroneous intermediate orbit.
 According to preliminary information, the  ignition of the Briz-M main
engine was carried out at the planned time. Shutdown of the engine
occurred after 7s instead of the planned 18m 5s.  Analysis of the
situation [is to be carried out?]






So, assuming that Briz-M is 100% chance being dead, could the LCC order s/c sep any how?
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Forgive me for not being up to speed (no pun intended) on the Briz-M performance design, but does this strand the satellites in an improper orbit or are they coming back down?

They are stranded in a roughly ~250 x 5000 km x 50 degrees inclination orbit, so the whole stack could be coming down within the next few weeks.

Thanks.  Very sad day for Russia but at least they won't pose a debris risk for long.
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Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?

Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.

Fobos-Grunt used a modified Fregat, not Briz.  To the best of my (admittedly incomplete) knowledge Briz has never been used on Zenit, nor are there any plans to do so.

That said, Proton-Briz had 12 successes since the last failure (Express-AM4).

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My translation,
 Analysis of the situation [is to be carried out?]

That's right.

Ведётся анализ сложившейся ситуации. 

More literally, "An analysis of the situation that has developed will be carried out."  But I'm not, in general, a big fan of literal translations.
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Commiserations to our Russian colleagues - this is too bad.

Re the debris risk - low perigee but intermediate apogee, so debris could be around for a few years and passing through ISS and HST altitude regimes....  not as bad as the Arabsat/Briz debris cloud in GTO but not great.

On the plus side, the low orbit means the debris will be trackable so we'll know the scope of the problem if any.
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Horrible news  :(

I hope these upper stages get more reliable very soon.

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Horrible news  :'( :'( :'( ...
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Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?

Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.

Fobos-Grunt used a modified Fregat, not Briz.  To the best of my (admittedly incomplete) knowledge Briz has never been used on Zenit, nor are there any plans to do so.



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Do we have the serial numbers for the rocket and the culprit itself?

The Briz-M stage was #99531

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The Briz-M stage was #99531

Are you sure ? I have 99531 for the SES-5's Briz-M...
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Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.

No Briz-M on Fobos-Grunt. Absolutely no relation between the two failures.
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Another briz M failure.

How sad.
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Roscosmos video of the launch:

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Okay, so this is the fifth Briz-M failure in 62 Briz-M launches? Eight percent failure rate.

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The Briz-M stage was #99531

Are you sure ? I have 99531 for the SES-5's Briz-M...

Not quite - my info is several month old and i can not rule out, that the vehicle/payload allocations have since been changed.

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So from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°

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USSTRATCOM has catalogued Object A (the stack) in
266.9 x 5012.2km x 49.91°
(Object 2012-044A/ 38744 at epoch 0208UTC August 7)

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So from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°

Is there the provision to try to command the burn again (perhaps on a ground override command)?
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The first elset at epoch 2309UTC on August 6 gives roughly the same result for 2012-044A (the stack):
266.5 x 5013.9km x 49.92°

2309UTC: would have been 9 minutes into Briz-M 3rd burn for a nominal sequence.... :(
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the motor of satellite can be up to 36000km ?
or it still low orbit ?

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Satellite observer Kevin Fetter saw four objects related to this launch flying in series at around 04:08 UTC, so it looks like the Breeze-M separated its APT and the two satellites after the engine failed.

http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Aug-2012/0061.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9B6JQFOrA&feature=youtu.be
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So from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°
Roscosmos and Khrunichev press release mentions a Briz-M 7s 3rd burn (instead of nominal 1085s)
So the issue is a premature shutdown of the Briz engine not a failed re-ignition.

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Satellite observer Kevin Fetter saw four objects related to this launch flying in series at around 04:08 UTC, so it looks like the Breeze-M separated its APT and the two satellites after the engine failed.

http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Aug-2012/0061.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9B6JQFOrA&feature=youtu.be
Since there is no obvious sign of an orbit change due to separation for Object-A's 8 tles released so far, it's possible that Object A corresponds to the APT (which in the past has often been catalogued first).

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I feel bad for our Russian friends. Hope they find the root cause for this ASAP…
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Commiserations to our Russian colleagues - this is too bad.

Re the debris risk - low perigee but intermediate apogee, so debris could be around for a few years and passing through ISS and HST altitude regimes....  not as bad as the Arabsat/Briz debris cloud in GTO but not great.

On the plus side, the low orbit means the debris will be trackable so we'll know the scope of the problem if any.

If the burn was only seven seconds, that means most of the fuel is still in the stage, so this "could" evolve very rapidly into a similar debris cloud.

Assuming (based on Kevin Fetter's video) the stage properly separated the payloads, does this mean that the blow down sequence may also have occurred and the stage may have been safed?
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This is intreguing.  If borne out, these findings strongly imply that whatever happened to the Briz-M, it's IAU did not either detect or adjust to the engine failure and continued on its pre-programmed sequence.  At the very least, this is a bad thing because it interferes with or even rules out later mitigation efforts, especially with the stack now an apparent collision hazard for several high-value spacecraft.
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So from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°

Is there the provision to try to command the burn again (perhaps on a ground override command)?


I am not aware of any Russian upper stage with uplink capability.

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Russian Federal Mission with TELKOM 3 and EXPRESS MD2 Satellites Anomaly
Investigation Underway; Russian State Commission Established

 

On 7 August at 1:32 a.m. local time, a Proton Breeze M vehicle carrying the Express MD2 and Telkom 3 satellites launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. The Proton M launch vehicle performed nominally, however, the Orbital Unit (OU), comprised of the Breeze M upper stage and the two spacecraft, did not properly reach its transfer orbit and was placed into an off-nominal intermediate orbit. The Aerospace Defense and Roscosmos, are currently monitoring the OU and efforts are now underway to establish contact with the Express MD2 and Telkom 3 satellites.

An investigation into the anomaly began immediately. A Russian State Commission of inquiry has been established and is in the process of determining the reasons for the anomaly.  ILS will release details when data become available. While this was a Russian Federal mission, ILS will form its own Failure Review Oversight Board (FROB) in parallel with the Russian State Commission. The FROB will review the commission’s final report and corrective action plan, in accordance with U.S. and Russian government export control regulations.

ILS remains committed to providing reliable, timely launch services for all its customers.  To this end, ILS will work diligently with its partner Khrunichev to return Proton to flight as soon as possible.

Further updates will be provided on the investigation as they become available.

http://www.ilslaunch.com/newsroom/news-releases/russian-federal-mission-telkom-3-and-express-md2-satellites-anomaly

These are the next few launches that could got a large schedule hit from the launch failure:

August 23 - Intelsat 23
September 7 - Luch 5B + Yamal-300K
September 25 - EchoStar 16
October 13 - Satmex 6
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Do we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?

And is this a Briz-M five burn profile?

Four burns
http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=595
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg935671#msg935671

Edit by input~2: correct coopi.khrunichev. ru link:http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=606

And now the website disappears

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Re: Proton-M launch with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 - August 2012
« Reply #106 on: 08/07/2012 03:59 PM »
Launch time is 19:31 UTC.

Delay was related to problems with Briz-M upper stage.

What kind of problems?

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Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.
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One note: this launch was intended to inject the payloads directly into GEO, not GTO; that is the only way for 2 payloads to fly on one Proton to GEO, they are launched mostly without prop.

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USSTRATCOM confirms 4 objects in similar orbit
(epoch: August 7, 1543UTC)
Object A (38744) in 266.5 x 5012.5km x 49.91°
Object B (38745) in 266.3 x 5013.1km x 49.91°
Object C (38746) in 266.8 x 5015.7km x 49.91°
Object D (38747) in 266.7 x 5017.6km x 49.91°

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Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.

СобытиеВремя от КП, сек.ВремяUTC
Ключ на старт-30006.08.201219:26:00
КП-120с-12006.08.201219:29:00
Готовность РБ-11306.08.201219:29:07
ОТП-506.08.201219:30:55
Переход Земля - борт-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда на запуск ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Разрешение регулирования тяги двигателей-206.08.201219:30:58
Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда выхода ДУ 1-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги006.08.201219:31:00
Контакт подъема006.08.201219:31:00
Переход двигателей на режим F110806.08.201219:32:48
Команда на запуск ДУ 2-ой ступени11506.08.201219:32:55
Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 2-ой ступени11906.08.201219:32:59
Команда на выключение ДУ и отделение 1-й ступени12006.08.201219:33:00
Команда выхода ДУ 2-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги12006.08.201219:33:00
Команда на запуск РД 3-й ступени32406.08.201219:36:24
Главная команда на выключение ДУ 2-ой ступени32606.08.201219:36:26
Отделение 2-й ступени32706.08.201219:36:27
Команда на запуск МД 3-й ступени33006.08.201219:36:30
Команда на сброс ГО34506.08.201219:36:45
Признак cброса ГО34706.08.201219:36:47
Команда на выключение МД 3-й ступени-ПK57006.08.201219:40:30
Выключение МД 3-й ступени-промежуточная ступень57106.08.201219:40:31
Выключение МД 3-й ступени-главная ступень57206.08.201219:40:32
Команда на выключение РД 3-й ступени и отделение ОБ-ГК58206.08.201219:40:42
Конец АУ РН, отделение ОБ58206.08.201219:40:42
Начало поджатия66206.08.201219:42:02
Запуск МД67606.08.201219:42:16
Конец поджатия67806.08.201219:42:18
Выключение МД92206.08.201219:46:22
Начало разворота для ориентации по вектору скорости105006.08.201219:48:30
Начало поджатия402506.08.201220:38:05
Запуск МД404506.08.201220:38:25
Конец поджатия404706.08.201220:38:27
Выключение МД512006.08.201220:56:20
Начало поджатия1251006.08.201222:59:30
Запуск МД1253406.08.201222:59:54
Конец поджатия1253606.08.201222:59:56
Выключение МД1361906.08.201223:17:59
Начало поджатия1369406.08.201223:19:14
Сброс ДТБ1370006.08.201223:19:20
Конец поджатия1370206.08.201223:19:22
Начало поджатия3155207.08.201204:16:52
Запуск МД3156607.08.201204:17:06
Конец поджатия3156807.08.201204:17:08
Выключение МД3235207.08.201204:30:12
Отделение КА Телком-33320007.08.201204:44:20
Начало разворота на отделение проставки3360007.08.201204:51:00
Отделение проставки3420007.08.201205:01:00
Отделение КА Экспресс-МД23500007.08.201205:14:20
Начало увода РБ4228007.08.201207:15:40
Окончание увода РБ4230507.08.201207:16:05
Начало увода РБ4649007.08.201208:25:50
Окончание увода РБ4651507.08.201208:26:15
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USSTRATCOM confirms 4 objects in similar orbit
(epoch: August 7, 1543UTC)
Object A (38744) in 266.5 x 5012.5km x 49.91°
Object B (38745) in 266.3 x 5013.1km x 49.91°
Object C (38746) in 266.8 x 5015.7km x 49.91°
Object D (38747) in 266.7 x 5017.6km x 49.91°

Does anyone know if any of the usual internet pass prediction sites have added the elements yet? I noticed Heavens-above.com and SatFlar.com do not have them up yet.

(as an orbits aside, anyone know a simple program one can enter the raw two lines in for predictions?) I really want to see that satellite train!
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One note: this launch was intended to inject the payloads directly into GEO, not GTO; that is the only way for 2 payloads to fly on one Proton to GEO, they are launched mostly without prop.


So no chance of using their own fuel/engines to reach a usable orbit...

But do they have enough to DE-ORBIT to eliminate the debris threat?
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If they gain uplink with the payloads, I would assume yes. I would assume the ATP and Briz-M will be around until decay.

Though the decay rate of the Briz-M will tell us how much fuel is still inside and if it poses a serious RUD and Orbital debris shower threat.
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Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.

СобытиеВремя от КП, сек.ВремяUTC
Ключ на старт-30006.08.201219:26:00
КП-120с-12006.08.201219:29:00
Готовность РБ-11306.08.201219:29:07
ОТП-506.08.201219:30:55
Переход Земля - борт-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда на запуск ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Разрешение регулирования тяги двигателей-206.08.201219:30:58
Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда выхода ДУ 1-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги006.08.201219:31:00
Контакт подъема006.08.201219:31:00
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So that's the official scheme with 4 Briz burns.
I am puzzled by Anatoli Zak's screenshot: what are the TM data in the 3rd column, showing time tags for events which didn't occur?? ???

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Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.

СобытиеВремя от КП, сек.ВремяUTC
Ключ на старт-30006.08.201219:26:00
КП-120с-12006.08.201219:29:00
Готовность РБ-11306.08.201219:29:07
ОТП-506.08.201219:30:55
Переход Земля - борт-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда на запуск ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Разрешение регулирования тяги двигателей-206.08.201219:30:58
Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58
Команда выхода ДУ 1-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги006.08.201219:31:00
Контакт подъема006.08.201219:31:00
...
So that's the official scheme with 4 Briz burns.
I am puzzled by Anatoli Zak's screenshot: what are the TM data in the 3rd column, showing time tags for events which didn't occur?? ???

 The details have vanished from the Khrunichev website and what you are seeing is the last actual launch of Proton with SES5. This one was just a bad dream and never happened.
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Thanks Stan, I should have noticed this smoking gun!

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Not good. :(

Hopefully they find the problem and get it solved for future launches.
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Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?
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Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.

The chances of a Briz-M failure during the MLM launch are fairly small.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.
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  The work of the Interdepartmental Commission
 August 7, 2012 ::
 
       On August 7 at the Federal Space Agency-led by V.A.Popovkin a meeting of the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) was held to analyze the causes of the abnormal launch of carrier rocket "Proton-M" with upper block (RB) "Briz-M" and spacecraft "Express MD2 "and" Telkom-3 ', which occurred on the eve from the Baikonur cosmodrome.
 
       On the first day the members of the IDC conducted a rapid analysis of the received telemetry data, based on which a preliminary conclusion can be drawn about the normal functioning of the management system of the Briz-M RB. It is also noted that the RB engine did not come out to the nominal thrust, as a result it was automatically shut-off.   

Until the causes of the contingency are elucidated, preparations for RB launches are suspended.
 
     In the Commission, which is headed by the First Deputy General Director of FSUE TsNIIMash O.P.Skorobogatov, were formed six working groups in key areas.   

During the meeting were heard the leaders of the enterprises - manufacturers of rocket and space technology V.E.Nesterov (Director General of Khrunichev), A.S.Syrov (Chief Designer of FSUE OKB "Mars"), V.A. Petrik (CEO of KBHM.Isaev).   

Addressing the participants of the meeting, the head of the Russian Federal Space Agency asked to organize a thorough search for the causes that led to the contingency, and "not a witch hunt." According to him the degree of guilt of specific employees from the chief to the department manager of the agency, will be judged only after carrying out all necessary verification activities. Also required staff modifications will be implemented. "A number of media statements by unnamed representatives of the aerospace industry that personnel actions concerning a number of leaders have already been taken are not true", - said V.A.Popovkin.   

On August 8 the members of the Commission will continue their work at Khrunichev.
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Reflections from Jakarta;

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/08/08/telkom-may-lose-200m-over-satellite-launch-fiasco.html

Explanations from the insurance company, Alfa, regarding Telkom-3 insurance;

http://tasstelecom.ru/news/one/11974


Explanations from the insurance company, Ingosstrakh, regarding Express-MD2 insurance
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http://top.rbc.ru/society/07/08/2012/663453.shtml


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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.

Hardly -  these satellites were built for direct GEO insertion by the launch vehicle and therefore don't have a apogee propulsion system.

And there is no real use for a GEO comsat in LEO.

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Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?


Nothing else can be done.

Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?

I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.

Hardly -  these satellites were built for direct GEO insertion by the launch vehicle and therefore don't have a apogee propulsion system.

And there is no real use for a GEO comsat in LEO.

Do it the other way; drain their RCS system to bring the perigee all the way down and dispose of them quicker.
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Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.

The chances of a Briz-M failure during the MLM launch are fairly small.


That made me about fall off my chair :D

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The infamous "foreign particles" could be back!
http://news.mail.ru/incident/9853062/  (in Russian)

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The alarmist tone of the article and defeatist rethoric just confirm there's certainly a latent veneer of bad faith within the "western" press and space "experts". Russian achievements are treated with indifference, to the point where it's necessary to dig the internet for a while if one wants to get acquainted with most missions, while articles about failures linger for weeks.
Take the New York Times for example, two weeks with the article about the glitches of the new Kurs at the front page, while the success of the second try or the new rendezvous weren't even mentioned.
A lot of people can't get over the fact the Cold War ended or that another nation made milestones in space exploration before theirs.

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Umm.. that's standard for any sort of reporting. Dog Bites Man is not news..

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Depends, is it Lindsey Lohan that got bit?

Honestly, the article is beyond ... $2 million, really, btw. I noticed a similar number in the Jakara Post articles posted earlier. Same paragraph even, they spent $200 million, the insurance will provide them with $7 million. I wonder if the translation error is the cost of the policy. $7 million could be be correct....
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I had to post the article here simply because it's one of the worst space-related news articles I've ever read.

Not quite as bad as the Russia Today article claiming Buran was built to steal Skylab, but still pretty bad. Poorly written, evidence of bad translations ("literally scratching?"), shows a lack of knowledge, plays uncertain but low risks, and to top the cake, puts a mysterious value on junk, yet not one that could actually be intended to mean the lost value.

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Honestly, the article is beyond ... $2 million, really, btw. I noticed a similar number in the Jakara Post articles posted earlier. Same paragraph even, they spent $200 million, the insurance will provide them with $7 million. I wonder if the translation error is the cost of the policy. $7 million could be be correct....

I understand that the cost of insurance is about 7 M $ for Telkom-3, not the amount of reimbursement. On the article below, Telkom official state that; "The 200 million U.S. dollar satellite was insured so Telkom need not worry about incurring any major losses from the failed launch."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sci/2012-08/08/c_131770671.htm

So, they should be fully covered. Otherwise heads will fly in Jakarta too, as same as in Moscow!

Remember, Mr. Perminov was also sacked by Putin, due to the insurance fraud of previously failed 3 Glonass-M satellites during the launch with Proton.
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According to an unnamed source in the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) quoted by the Russian online newspaper Kommersant, the most probable cause of the failure is a mechanical damage to a Briz-M engine fuel line after the second burn.
According to the same source the ban on Proton-M/Briz-M launches will be lifted before the end of next week.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1998005  (in Russian)

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According to the Jakarta Globe an Indonesian state-owned insurance company may have to pay up to US$180 million for the loss of Telkom-3
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/missing-telkom-satellite-prompts-russia-space-record-doubts/536722
(BTW the author of the article shows that he has read Chris' presser on the event :) )
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According to an unnamed source in the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) quoted by the Russian online newspaper Kommersant, the most probable cause of the failure is a mechanical damage to a Briz-M engine fuel line after the second burn.
According to the same source the ban on Proton-M/Briz-M launches will be lifted before the end of next week.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1998005  (in Russian)

That was a pretty good article, though based on an anonymous source.  One interesting statement was that the suspect fuel line was removed and replaced at the launch site during the recent delay and troubleshooting.  The source said the commission was looking into whether this led to gasket problems.  FOD was considered unlikely.

Added: By implication, I think we are talking about a line on the Breeze M (Khrunichev responsibility), since as I recall most of the lines on the engine proper are welded.
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After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:
   
  • 38744                             TELKOM 3             2012-044A         
  • 38745                              EXPRESS MD2     2012-044B         
  • 38746                              BREEZE-M R/B     2012-044C         
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB     2012-044D

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    After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:
       
  • 38744                             TELKOM 3             2012-044A         
  • 38745                              EXPRESS MD2     2012-044B         
  • 38746                              BREEZE-M R/B     2012-044C         
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB     2012-044D


  •  So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
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    So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
    Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)
    Reference above
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317

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    So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
    Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)
    Reference above
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317

    If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.

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    So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
    Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)
    Reference above
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317

    If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
    You may have a point but in the case of Luch-5A/Amos-5 launch on December 11, 2011, the spacer was apparently not catalogued but it was catalogued for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch on July 15, 2011 and identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (ADAPTOR) ";  the APT is normally identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)"

    An RCS of 4.4m²  for the present BREEZE-M DEB seems to indicate an APT and not an adaptor (resp. 5.184m² and 0.003m² for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch)
    « Last Edit: 08/12/2012 01:43 PM by input~2 »

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     So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
    Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)
    Reference above
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317

    If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
    You may have a point but in the case of Luch-5A/Amos-5 launch on December 11, 2011, the spacer was apparently not catalogued but it was catalogued for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch on July 15, 2011 and identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (ADAPTOR) ";  the APT is normally identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)"

    An RCS of 4.4m²  for the present BREEZE-M DEB seems to indicate an APT and not an adaptor (resp. 5.184m² and 0.003m² for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch)

     It is odd that the Briz-M suffered an abort but still proceeded to jettison the tank? Normally that would involve use of the four low-thrust settling/attitude control thruster units.

     Also there was no adaptor seperation event listed for Luch-5A/Amos-5.
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    Also there was no adaptor seperation event listed for Luch-5A/Amos-5.
    Yes it seems that there was no spent spacer for Luch-5A/Amos-5, hence no entry in the Catalog! ;)

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    If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
    According to your sequence of events separation of a spacer between both satellites was indeed planned :)
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    Отделение КА Телком-33320007.08.201204:44:20
    Начало разворота на отделение проставки3360007.08.201204:51:00
    Отделение проставки3420007.08.201205:01:00
    Отделение КА Экспресс-МД23500007.08.201205:14:20
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    Maybe it's just too small, for a piece of composite. The 0.003 m^2 equivalent corresponds to a metal ball about the size of a fist. It's a marvel that something like that can even be detected by a radar on the ground.

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    If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
    According to your sequence of events separation of a spacer between both satellites was indeed planned :)
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    Отделение КА Телком-33320007.08.201204:44:20
    Начало разворота на отделение проставки3360007.08.201204:51:00
    Отделение проставки3420007.08.201205:01:00
    Отделение КА Экспресс-МД23500007.08.201205:14:20

     That is what I am trying to point out. Why did the tank separate after an abort situation. Normally that would involve use of the four low-thrust settling/attitude control thruster units.

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    "Source: Failure in the pressurized fuel path caused Proton failure"

    http://www.ria.ru/science/20120813/722713743.html  (in Russian)

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    "Source: Failure in the pressurized fuel path caused Proton failure"

    http://www.ria.ru/science/20120813/722713743.html  (in Russian)

    Sounds more like a tank pressurization line that failed, but the result was the same.
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    So... bad weld?

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    maybe it lost fuel
    unknow how satellite can be camstomer service maybe hanf time

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    "Source: Failure in the pressurized fuel path caused Proton failure"

    http://www.ria.ru/science/20120813/722713743.html  (in Russian)

    Sounds more like a tank pressurization line that failed, but the result was the same.
    You're right; a more correct translation of the title of the article (according to a Russian friend) is:
    "Source: Failure in the path of the pressurization of the fuel caused Proton failure"

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    Sounds more like a tank pressurization line that failed, but the result was the same.
    Sources at NK said most likely it was a helium line folding at a bend due to lack of grommets. It was reinstalled at technical position due to unrelated issues, perhaps someone saved on a grommet or a cable tie.

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    Not good enough if any of that is the case.

    I'm guessing it's a symptom of high launch rates. Might need more people employed for quality assurance to keep the pace up and maintain reliability.

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    After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:
     
  • 38744                             TELKOM 3             2012-044A         
  • 38745                              EXPRESS MD2     2012-044B         
  • 38746                              BREEZE-M R/B     2012-044C         
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB     2012-044D
  • USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they  call it Briz-M tank
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)     2012-044D

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    An article in Russian pointing at damage in an helium line
    http://interfax.ru/politics/txt.asp?id=260328

    The (failure review) Commission has to complete its work before August 16.

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    The head of Khrunichev space center, V. Nesterov, has sent out a letter of resignation...
    http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=260627 (in Russian)       
    or
    http://www.ria.ru/trend/resignation_chief_Khrunichev_15082012/ (in Russian)               
    « Last Edit: 08/15/2012 01:05 PM by input~2 »

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    The head of Khrunichev space center, V. Nesterov, has sent out a letter of resignation...
    http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=260627 (in Russian)       
    or
    http://www.ria.ru/trend/resignation_chief_Khrunichev_15082012/ (in Russian)               

    The first of many heads to roll.

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    According to the head of Roscosmos, "the cause of the failure is of industrial character"
    He confirmed the "blocking of a pressurization line"
    http://www.ria.ru/science/20120816/724761607.html (in Russian)

    Edit: "blocking of a pressurization line in the APT"
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    To follow-up on the 4 released objects identification, here is a picture during integration where the spacer is clearly visible and a representation of the respective sizes of Briz-M vs the APT.
    The 4 objects radar cross sections as identified by USSTRATCOM are as follows
    Object A: 8.4m²
    Object B: 4.2m²
    Object C: 2.2m²
    Object D: 4.4m²
    « Last Edit: 08/16/2012 04:44 PM by input~2 »

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     How much separation is there between the Briz-M and the tank? Does it look like it used its four low-thrust engines? High pressure tanks are different to the low pressue tanks used to feed the main engine.

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    Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.
    Anatoli Zak sticks with four planned burns in his webpage about the failure:
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_telkom3.html
    AFAIU the screenshot he sent you was for illustration of a five burn sequence  (that used for SES-5 launch) not related to this one.

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    Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.
    Anatoli Zak sticks with four planned burns in his webpage about the failure:
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_telkom3.html
    AFAIU the screenshot he sent you was for illustration of a five burn sequence  (that used for SES-5 launch) not related to this one.
     It is disappointing that they chose to remove all details from their websites of this launch. On their websites it looks like SES-5 was the latest launch.
    http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/
    http://www.space-center.ru/
    « Last Edit: 08/17/2012 02:31 PM by Stan Black »

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    Found today a Space.com write up on the Russian space program might be a good read.

    http://www.space.com/17155-russia-space-agency-rocket-failures.html

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    Found today a Space.com write up on the Russian space program might be a good read.

    http://www.space.com/17155-russia-space-agency-rocket-failures.html



    Will the Russian space program survive as little more than a military program for spy sats, with a rare domestic civilian comsat or weather sat launch thrown in now and then?

    What do the Russian people want from their space program?

    Do they want the Angara booster developed?
    Do they want to add hardware to the ISS?
    Do they want an improved manned spacecraft to haul 4-7 crew to the ISS?
    Do they want the Luna Glob mission to go ahead, restoring Russian deepspace capability?

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    Found today a Space.com write up on the Russian space program might be a good read.

    http://www.space.com/17155-russia-space-agency-rocket-failures.html



    Will the Russian space program survive as little more than a military program for spy sats, with a rare domestic civilian comsat or weather sat launch thrown in now and then?

    What do the Russian people want from their space program?

    Do they want the Angara booster developed?
    Do they want to add hardware to the ISS?
    Do they want an improved manned spacecraft to haul 4-7 crew to the ISS?
    Do they want the Luna Glob mission to go ahead, restoring Russian deepspace capability?

    Yes. Angara will fly in 2013. A heavy rocket is hoped for "Vostochny"
    Yes. A new module in 2014
    Yes. The PTS is at the "technical design" stage
    Probably.

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    After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:
     
  • 38744                             TELKOM 3             2012-044A         
  • 38745                              EXPRESS MD2     2012-044B         
  • 38746                              BREEZE-M R/B     2012-044C         
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB     2012-044D
  • USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they  call it Briz-M tank
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)     2012-044D


  • Do we know when they might reenter?
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    After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:
     
  • 38744                             TELKOM 3             2012-044A         
  • 38745                              EXPRESS MD2     2012-044B         38746                              BREEZE-M R/B     2012-044C         
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB     2012-044D

  • USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they  call it Briz-M tank
  • 38747                              BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)     2012-044D


  • Do we know when they might reenter?
    SatEvo software used on the latest elsets indicates a first reentry in 5 years!
    (with F10.7 at 120)
    « Last Edit: 08/20/2012 02:48 PM by input~2 »

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    The 4 objects radar cross sections as identified by USSTRATCOM are as follows
    Object A: 8.4m²
    Object B: 4.2m²
    Object C: 2.2m²
    Object D: 4.4m²
    The 4 objects radar cross sections have now evolved to:
    Object A: 9.1m²
    Object B: 4.4m²
    Object C: 3.7m²
    Object D: 4.3m²

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    Russianspaceweb is reporting that the Proton's third stage also "misfired".

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_telkom3.html

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    Object D has been renamed back to simply BREEZE-M DEB
    (without TANK nor ADAPTOR indication)

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    Five years?  Am I getting old...I thought I heard 2 weeks earlier in the post (or was that just a WAG)?

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    FAILURE REVIEW OVERSIGHT BOARD (FROB) CONCLUDES INVESTIGATION ON RUSSIAN FEDERAL TELKOM-3/EXPRESS MD-2 FAILURE;

    PROTON RETURN TO FLIGHT SCHEDULE ESTABLISHED

     

    Wednesday, September 12, 2012-The Failure Review Oversight Board (FROB) concluded the review of the Russian State Commission report on September 11 concerning the root cause of the Russian Federal Telkom-3/Express MD-2 mission failure which occurred on August 7.  The FROB agreed with the Russian State Commission that the root cause of the failure was due to a component of the pressurization system that was not manufactured to specifications.  This caused a shutdown of the Breeze M Main engine by the Breeze M flight control system 7 seconds into the planned 18 minute and 5 second 3rd burn.

     

    The corrective action plan for all Breeze M upper stages that was established by the Russian State Commission and Khrunichev State Research and Space Production Center (KhSC) was also approved by the FROB. This includes stringent quality oversight of all rework procedures, testing, support equipment, and personnel, both at the KhSC production facilities and in Baikonur. In addition, ILS and KhSC will develop specific initiatives to enhance the unified Quality Management System (QMS) that is installed and operating at all KhSC production facilities.

     

    “This is an opportunity to learn, enhance and improve the overall reliability and processes of our systems,” said acting ILS Vice President and Chief Technical Officer, John Palmé. “I would like to thank the nine representatives of ILS customers, two insurance underwriting representatives and independent outside subject experts who participated in the ILS FROB process for their professionalism and diligence. We appreciate the patience and support of our customers as we plan for the return to flight of the Proton vehicle.”

     

    The return to flight corrective actions and will be completed prior to the ILS Proton return to flight mission with the IS-23 satellite for Intelsat S.A. of Luxembourg in mid-October. A Russian Federal mission will follow.


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    http://www.spacenews.com/launch/proton-set-return-flight-oct-carrying-intelsat-is-23.html

    "The Breeze-M upper stage failed to deliver sufficient thrust on the third of its planned ignitions because of a small metallic orifice inside a fuel line that was not manufactured according to specifications, McKenna said.

    The component was built by Polyot of Omsk, Russia, in a manufacturing plant owned by Khrunichev Space Center of Moscow, which is Proton’s prime contractor and for the last several years has assembled most Proton subcontractors under its management.

    McKenna said the defective pressurization-line component was built by Khrunichev until 2011, when it was moved to Polyot in 2011 as part of a general reorganization of Proton assembly.

    The Polyot-built component has flown on several flights without failing, a fact that McKenna said helps explain why the defect, which he said was due to a misunderstanding at Polyot of how the part should be built, escaped Polyot and Krunichev review tests.

    Given that the defect only occurred at certain pressure thresholds, McKenna said, it was not picked up as the component was tested with Khrunichev oversight.

    The component will be removed from two Breeze-M upper stages awaiting integration at the Russian-run Baikonur Cosmodrome spaceport in Kazakhstan. The components will also be replaced at those Breeze-M stages at Khrunichev. It is not yet entirely clear, he said, how quickly replacement components can be qualified and installed into new Breeze-Ms, which is why the company will refrain from announcing a manifest for a few weeks"

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    The component will be removed from two Breeze-M upper stages awaiting integration at the Russian-run Baikonur Cosmodrome

    Two Briz-M ? The one for Luch-5B arrived there on 20th July, but what is the other one ? The one for Intelsat-23 ?
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    Yes, for Intelsat-23 and Luch-5B/Yamal-300K. But if I have understood correctly these upper stages will be returned to Moscow. Other upper stages will be used for these launches.

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    Yes, for Intelsat-23 and Luch-5B/Yamal-300K. But if I have understood correctly these upper stages will be returned to Moscow. Other upper stages will be used for these launches.

    Intelsat-23 was to have used the Briz-M delivered for Sirius-FM6?
    http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=2295
    « Last Edit: 09/12/2012 07:37 PM by Stan Black »

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    Bob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16.  :P Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.

    http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.php
    « Last Edit: 10/20/2012 01:50 PM by Galactic Penguin SST »
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    Offline input~2

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    Bob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16.  :P Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.

    http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.php
    USSTRATCOM confirms that Briz-M broke up in orbit on October 16 and the debris field created is under investigation for potential impact risks.

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    Bob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16.  :P Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.

    http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.php
    USSTRATCOM confirms that Briz-M broke up in orbit on October 16 and the debris field created is under investigation for potential impact risks.

    These have some information about Briz failures.

    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv16i4.pdf
    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv14i4.pdf

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    Bob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16.  :P Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.

    http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.php
    USSTRATCOM confirms that Briz-M broke up in orbit on October 16 and the debris field created is under investigation for potential impact risks.

    The discovery circumstances can be seen here: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Oct-2012/0190.html
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    These have some information about Briz failures.

    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv16i4.pdf
    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv14i4.pdf

    Not included here in the NASA statistics is the break-up of a Briz-K upper stage on 26 December 1994. Remarkably, this break-up occurred just hours after the Rokot delivered the Radio Rosto satellite to orbit. Briz-K was the original version of the upper stage, apparently developed as a propulsion system for the Naryad ASAT system.

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    The ODQN article addressed Briz-M events exclusively.  The 14th edition of the NASA History of On-orbit Satellite Fragmentations (available here:  http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/library/references.html) includes the Briz-K event as the RS-15 R/B fragmentation.



    These have some information about Briz failures.

    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv16i4.pdf
    http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv14i4.pdf

    Not included here in the NASA statistics is the break-up of a Briz-K upper stage on 26 December 1994. Remarkably, this break-up occurred just hours after the Rokot delivered the Radio Rosto satellite to orbit. Briz-K was the original version of the upper stage, apparently developed as a propulsion system for the Naryad ASAT system.

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    80 debris objects now in the catalog
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    700 large debris have been detected by US SSN following the explosion of Briz-M at an altitude of 290 km on Oct 16, 2012
    Details in the January 2013 edition of Orbital Debris Quarterly News:
    http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv17i1.pdf


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