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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #20 on: 12/18/2013 08:22 AM »
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #21 on: 12/18/2013 04:27 PM »
Where the heck would the docking port be in that tiny thing? It's not a very useful thing without that...

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #22 on: 12/18/2013 05:16 PM »
Where the heck would the docking port be in that tiny thing? It's not a very useful thing without that...
It was suposed to dock via the nose to the station as it was displayed at the NY World's Fair. I rotated the pic from the previous page.
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #23 on: 12/18/2013 05:49 PM »
If anyone knows where this vehicle is today please let us know! :)
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #24 on: 12/18/2013 08:24 PM »
Where the heck would the docking port be in that tiny thing? It's not a very useful thing without that...
It was suposed to dock via the nose to the station as it was displayed at the NY World's Fair. I rotated the pic from the previous page.

Perhaps, but none of the other images (of models and schematics) show anything like - or room for anything like - a docking mechanism.

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #25 on: 12/18/2013 08:42 PM »
Where the heck would the docking port be in that tiny thing? It's not a very useful thing without that...
It was suposed to dock via the nose to the station as it was displayed at the NY World's Fair. I rotated the pic from the previous page.

Perhaps, but none of the other images (of models and schematics) show anything like - or room for anything like - a docking mechanism.
I know what you mean Lars... but look at 4:24 and 7:00 in the second video and you will see. When I saw Yellowbird in person I was eight and I've been hooked on lifting bodies ever since... :)
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #27 on: 12/31/2013 07:40 PM »
Just found this on NTRS, "The Study of the Influance of Size of a Manned Lifting Body Entry Vehicle on Research Potential and Cost" starring none other than the "Yellow-Bird" D-3 :)
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670020694_1967020694.pdf

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #28 on: 12/31/2013 08:21 PM »
If anyone knows where this vehicle is today please let us know! :)

Contact  Jim O'Kane

snip:
its in a museum warehouse in Oklahoma. Repainted sometime in 1986 to look more like Dyna-Soar
http://www.worldsfaircommunity.org/topic/10567-martin-company-at-hall-of-science/#entry84339

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #29 on: 01/22/2014 08:53 PM »
If anyone knows where this vehicle is today please let us know! :)

Contact  Jim O'Kane

snip:
its in a museum warehouse in Oklahoma. Repainted sometime in 1986 to look more like Dyna-Soar
http://www.worldsfaircommunity.org/topic/10567-martin-company-at-hall-of-science/#entry84339
Thanks Jester, I think I might have located him.  :) We'll see if he replies!
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #30 on: 01/22/2014 11:26 PM »
If anyone knows where this vehicle is today please let us know! :)

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #31 on: 02/09/2014 06:09 PM »
Was the "Yellowbird" basically the same space plane that David Janssen flew to rescue the Apollo vehicle "Ironman One" in the 1969 film "Marooned?"  Sure looks like it...minus one fin...and with a big ole engine added to the rear... ;)

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #32 on: 02/10/2014 10:10 PM »
Was the "Yellowbird" basically the same space plane that David Janssen flew to rescue the Apollo vehicle "Ironman One" in the 1969 film "Marooned?"  Sure looks like it...minus one fin...and with a big ole engine added to the rear... ;)
That is actutally the PRIME/SAINT II/X-23/X-24A moldline. IIRC the vehicle used in the movie was an old X-24A mock-up. I've been trying to recall how I came across that info. It is on display the the Space and Rocket Center in Alabama, hanging from the ceiling...

http://archive.is/ie9p5

http://photovalet.com/data/comps/TAR/TARV03P08_07.jpg
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #33 on: 02/10/2014 10:23 PM »
Here is some more Russian misinformation how they claimed to have created the exact HL-20 mold line including going so far as to say the X-38 is also based on their design work when it was based on the PRIME X-23/X-24A.  Which flew into space almost two decades before BOR. The underbody camber looks nothing alike and the BOR had a “flat bottom” and folding wings to zero dihedral....

http://malchish.org/avtor/img/maxon/kosmos/space_wings.htm

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #34 on: 08/31/2015 12:39 AM »
I came across some hard to find photos of Yellowbird being installed at the Hall of Science in New York.
One can really see the aero work that led to the HL-10. 8)

http://nysci.org/installing-rendezvous-in-space/

« Last Edit: 08/31/2015 12:44 AM by Rocket Science »
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Some great images here that I'd never seen before. Thanks for sharing! Here's an article I write on the design story that led to the Dream Chaser. It's still difficult to know how much the HL-10 et al influenced Mikoyan work on Spiral, but given that NASA made no secret of their work on Lifting Bodies I suspect they would certainly have been aware of the American designs.

The influence of the BOR4 shape on the HL-20 is fully acknowledged so maybe the whole thing has just gone full-circle!

https://thehighfrontier.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/dream-chaser-dna-a-story-of-spaceplane-evolution/

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #36 on: 11/15/2015 04:00 PM »
Some great images here that I'd never seen before. Thanks for sharing! Here's an article I write on the design story that led to the Dream Chaser. It's still difficult to know how much the HL-10 et al influenced Mikoyan work on Spiral, but given that NASA made no secret of their work on Lifting Bodies I suspect they would certainly have been aware of the American designs.

The influence of the BOR4 shape on the HL-20 is fully acknowledged so maybe the whole thing has just gone full-circle!

https://thehighfrontier.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/dream-chaser-dna-a-story-of-spaceplane-evolution/
Great article Chris, thanks for the link! :)
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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #37 on: 11/15/2015 04:16 PM »
Another great article. It´s in Spanish from Daniel Marin, but I really recommend you to use Google Translator, it´s a jewel. When I´ve time I might translate it.
http://danielmarin.naukas.com/2010/12/14/la-nave-espacial-sovietica-que-copiaron-los-estados-unidos/

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Some great images here that I'd never seen before. Thanks for sharing! Here's an article I write on the design story that led to the Dream Chaser. It's still difficult to know how much the HL-10 et al influenced Mikoyan work on Spiral, but given that NASA made no secret of their work on Lifting Bodies I suspect they would certainly have been aware of the American designs.

The influence of the BOR4 shape on the HL-20 is fully acknowledged so maybe the whole thing has just gone full-circle!

https://thehighfrontier.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/dream-chaser-dna-a-story-of-spaceplane-evolution/
Great article Chris.

The HL20 along with other shelved NASA/government research/development programs are never a waste of time. Here are just a few that have been dusted off and lead to commercial products.
1) HL20 and Dream Chaser.

 2) Inflatable Transhab which Bigelow has picked up.

3) Bionic capsule and Blue Origin orbital space vehicle.

4) DCX engineers ended up at Blue Origin, Armadillo Aerospace. Not sure but wouldn't be surprised if Masten and SpaceX have links to DC-X program.

5) Aerospike engine and Firefly.

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Re: Before Dream Chaser: The Martin Space Taxi “Yellowbird”
« Reply #39 on: 11/16/2015 07:45 PM »
Yep, that's the one.  I have one in my collection.  Sort of my pride, along with the XSL-01.  Unfortunately, it did not turn out so well as I would have liked when I built it.

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