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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #60 on: 09/29/2012 11:30 PM »
Tile 195002-356

As has already been noted by northanger, 195xxx tiles are located on the upper wing areas.  The general location diagram has been posted in other threads on this forum, but since it is not in this one I have posted it again in for easy reference. Link to original file is www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/pdf/tile_placement_chart.pdf.

I have not been able to find tile 195002-356 itself, but have found a couple of near misses on a fragment of an Atlantis tile map from a STS-132 DAT TPS (Damage Assessment Team, Thermal Protection System) presentation available on L2.  Tiles 195002-350 and 195002-351 are located on the upper side of the port (left-hand) chine area - this is the part of the wing/fuselage structure that is forward of the Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC) leading edges.

I've attached a copy of the relevant slide from the presentation with tiles 350 & 351 circled in yellow, and a close-up view of the map's 195002-xxx block (41 tiles).  The main tile map shows the view when looking at the orbiter from the left-hand side, with the crew access hatch to the left and the beginning of the wing leading edge at the lower-right.  (This slide is showing tiles that were missed during flight-day 2 TPS inspection using the orbiter boom.)

It's possible that the tile we're trying to locate is on the other side of the orbiter in a similar position.  There are minor differences in tile IDs between orbiters, so another possibility is that it may belong to one of the other orbiters on the same side (I could only find a map for Atlantis).  Either way, I think there's a good chance it is from that general area, left- or right-side upper chine.

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« Last Edit: 09/29/2012 11:35 PM by AnalogMan »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #61 on: 09/30/2012 04:56 AM »
Great job AnalogMan :)

I see that block of 195002 tiles. So close!

btw, Because this is an upper wing tile, I checked CAIB Working Scenario document. It includes a tile diagram but 195002 is not on there.


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #62 on: 10/06/2012 12:59 PM »
Ok it is not the tile (195002-356)  but I found 195002-342 in one of my photos I took of Atlantis on September 17, I think it was replaced not to long ago compared with all the other tiles...

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #63 on: 10/10/2012 10:24 PM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #64 on: 10/10/2012 11:23 PM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #65 on: 10/11/2012 12:03 AM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

Ahhh thank you!  A gentleman on twitter said he was going to ask, but I didn't have enough time at school to look through all of these.  Thanks so very very much!!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #66 on: 10/11/2012 12:15 AM »
Thank you so so much!  This is fantastic!  It will look great under our ISS photo from when we made radio contact with Joe Acaba last May.  This made my day!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #67 on: 10/11/2012 01:11 AM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

Ahhh thank you!  A gentleman on twitter said he was going to ask, but I didn't have enough time at school to look through all of these.  Thanks so very very much!!

Yep, that was me! :) We're happy we could help!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #68 on: 10/19/2012 04:47 PM »
I just received my Tile and it was bit damaged on the sides and bottom.
 

I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.
The picture uploaded in the earlier message is close to it but doesn't include the tile.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #69 on: 10/19/2012 10:51 PM »
I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.
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Welcome to the forum.

I think I've found your tile but I'm trying to find a better tile-map graphic to show you where it is.  Will try and post something tomorrow.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #70 on: 10/23/2012 02:47 PM »
I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.

Tile 191037-027

This is an more interesting tile than average.  Its located on the door that normally covers the orbiter's left-hand main landing gear - specifically towards the front of the door and towards its outer edge where the door hinge is located.  The tile is of a type know as LI-900 which covers the bulk of the underside of the orbiters, and is a High-temperature Reusable Surface Insulation (HRSI) black tile.

I've attached a couple of tile maps showing the location this tile, and also a photograph taken by astronauts on the ISS of STS-132 (Atlantis) as she approached the space station carrying out the R-bar Pitch Maneuver (RPM) or 'back-flip' to photographically document any possible damage to the tiles.  Unfortunately I could not find a photograph from any of the orbiters which had a visible ID legend remaining.

Your tile is indicated by green highlighting - click on the images to enlarge to full size.

Useful information on the orbiter's thermal protection system (TPS) can be found here:
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/pdf/TPS-06rev.pdf

(Sorry for the delay in getting back to you!)

EDIT: added slide from STS-123 Flight Readiness Review presentation (available in L2) which shows the various tile types fitted to the LH main landing gear door.
« Last Edit: 11/17/2012 11:42 AM by Chris Bergin »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #71 on: 10/23/2012 03:50 PM »
Thank you so much this is awesome! ;D I am going to print out the information you gave to me and use it as a lesson in class. Also I might be presenting to elementary and middle school students, this information will be helpful.

Thanks Again
dripollone

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #72 on: 11/14/2012 01:23 PM »
Recently I owned a small piece of AFRSI blanket taken from OV-099, removed after flight 41-G. The rockwell ID is

VO70-396-373-025

The number has been taken from the KSC problem report related to the item.

It has been taken from one OMU at the suttles aft. I know that some do have acces to identify the area the item was placed. Can anyone provide a tile map chart to see where the item originally has been?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #73 on: 11/17/2012 10:41 AM »
Hi All

I am new to this forum. I stumbled across it last night with my two boys as yesterday my dad presented me with what appears to be an authentic heat tile from one of the orbiters. We wanted to see if we could figure out what orbiter and possibly what missions this tile may have flown. Through your forum, I have only been able to figure out that this is a tile from one of the wings. The numbers on the tile are difficult to read...rubbed off quite a bit, but I can see that it is

VO70 191025
273-008227
It has another set of letters and numbers below the above numbers, with what looks like a 2 and ends in 000M
Underneath that is the word Instrumentation.

So we'd love to know what orbiter this tile is from, where on the orbiter it's location was, and what missions it flew.

My dad was in the Air Force for 27 years and his last assignment was at Cape Canaveral Air Station...he was involved with the shuttle program through 1985 when he retired.

He says the gray corner is a "repair" that was made to the tile...and the white chips and dings are actual damage to the tile. Unfortunately, he doesn't remember how it ended up in office at the Cape so long ago...he's got lots of samples of the soft fabrics that are on the undersides of the tiles as well.

I love everything space, especially the shuttle program. I saw every launch up close and personal from Columbia's maiden voyage from the Cape to the Challenger disaster from right outside the walls of my highschool. I even got to see a night launch from the Titan building...that was really cool.

Hope you all can help us out!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #74 on: 02/15/2013 04:13 AM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).

In this second round of NASA giveaways, this time including some food packs, we also received a new white tile # VO70-391010 which has two ~ 2cm diameter holes neatly drilled through it and is an "interesting" shape. I can post a picture if desired.

A few of you on this thread have been extremely helpful to the posters who came after me - could I prevail on your expertise one more time to show me where these (now) two tiles are located. Like other teachers on this thread, I am planning a display for our school. Thank you!

P.S. This time around, we were compelled to certify that the tile would NEVER be removed from its shrink wrap! (Not so for the first one we received).

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #75 on: 02/15/2013 11:51 AM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).

In this second round of NASA giveaways, this time including some food packs, we also received a new white tile # VO70-391010 which has two ~ 2cm diameter holes neatly drilled through it and is an "interesting" shape. I can post a picture if desired.

A few of you on this thread have been extremely helpful to the posters who came after me - could I prevail on your expertise one more time to show me where these (now) two tiles are located. Like other teachers on this thread, I am planning a display for our school. Thank you!

P.S. This time around, we were compelled to certify that the tile would NEVER be removed from its shrink wrap! (Not so for the first one we received).

Good news, I think I found your first tile (V070-394026-129).

Your second tile might be more interesting, but I need the three digits that follow the main number to find an actual location (should be VO70-391010-xxx).  A photo would also be helpful to identify.

Don't have time to organise any graphics at the minute, but will try and post soon.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #76 on: 02/15/2013 06:56 PM »
Thank you AnalogMan, I appreciate your quick reply to this older thread. I should have checked back more often since my earlier post.

A cellphone pic of our second, newly arrived tile is attached - I snapped it as I left my school since I thought it might be handy to have all the numbers. I can take a better picture, with a ruler for dimensions, early next week.

The tile with the holes has full number VO70-391010 -045-008023. I did read that the holes were for access to fasteners and would be plugged as part of launch preparation activities.

Yes, any graphics showing the tile locations would be great for our display, thanks again.

« Last Edit: 02/15/2013 06:59 PM by closette »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #77 on: 02/18/2013 02:44 AM »
Why are the tiles set at a 45 degree angle on the belly?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #78 on: 03/11/2013 03:13 PM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).
[...]
Good news, I think I found your first tile (V070-394026-129).
[...]
Don't have time to organise any graphics at the minute, but will try and post soon.
Sorry for the long delay in getting back to this.

Tile 394026-129

I've attached two images showing the location of this tile.  Its on the underside of the orbiter just off the centerline and forward of the right main landing gear door.  First is to give the general location - its a composite image with the forward part having tile ID numbers which are close to being readable if you squint at the right magnification!  (note these ID numbers are of the form 394026-129001).  The second is very readable.

(click on graphics to enlarge)

Most modern printers will allow images to be printed as posters (image is divided up and printed on several separate sheets, then stick together by hand).  I've attached a pdf version of the full orbiter map since Adobe Reader also provides a poster printing function in case your printer doesn't.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #79 on: 03/11/2013 03:23 PM »
Thank you AnalogMan, I appreciate your quick reply to this older thread. I should have checked back more often since my earlier post.

A cellphone pic of our second, newly arrived tile is attached - I snapped it as I left my school since I thought it might be handy to have all the numbers. I can take a better picture, with a ruler for dimensions, early next week.

The tile with the holes has full number VO70-391010 -045-008023. I did read that the holes were for access to fasteners and would be plugged as part of launch preparation activities.

Yes, any graphics showing the tile locations would be great for our display, thanks again.

Tile 391010-045

Could not find your exact tile.  I was only able to find one block of 391010 tiles - these sixteen were on the crew access hatch door.  There are slight differences between the three surviving orbiters:
 
Atlantis & Endeavour -083 to -096, -126 and -127
Discovery -083 to -094, -123, -123, 125 and 126

My collection of tile maps is not comprehensive, so possibilities are:

the tile is elsewhere on the orbiter;
its on the hatch of an orbiter that I don't have a map for (Challenger or Columbia);
its on the hatch but part of an earlier tile allocation/design that was modified or never used.

Four of the tiles are mounted on two removeable carrier panels (two tiles each) and have holes in them for access to the fastening bolts.  On Discovery three of these tiles are black (High-Temperature Reusable Surface Insulation, HRSI), but on Atlantis are white (Low-Temperature Reusable Surface Insulation, LRSI).  The remainder of the 391010 tiles in this block are all white.

Looking at your tile it does appear very similar in shape to 391010-96/391010-123 and this tile does have two holes in the same place.  Also, from your photograph it looks as though the shortest side has the concave arc needed to match the inner ring of tiles that it butts up against.

On this basis I would say that there is a good chance that this is the location of your tile, and for some reason these tile IDs were modified during the lifetime of the orbiters.

I've marked this location in yellow on the maps.  Photos of Endeavour and Atlantis' crew hatch show the two carrier panels removed and in place (tile holes plugged with insulator) respectively.

The NASAfacts publication titled "Orbiter Thermal Protection System" is a good backgrounder to tiles and other insulation:
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/pdf/TPS-06rev.pdf

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« Last Edit: 03/11/2013 03:26 PM by AnalogMan »

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