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Chinese sub-orbital launches
« on: 09/25/2010 08:10 AM »
Three NOTAMs were issued for today in China:

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A7644/10 - ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO AN AREA CENTERED AT N402754E0972406 WITH RADIUS OF 60KM AT 6900M AND BELOW. FL000 - FL217, 25 SEP 06:40 2010 UNTIL 25 SEP 07:40 2010. CREATED: 24 SEP 16:10 2010
(already cancelled)

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A7648/10 - THE SEGMENT CLSD:30KM BOTH SIDES OF LINE BTN POINT A (N385013E1113622) AND POINT B (N392923E1073035). SFC - UNL, 25 SEP 08:30 2010 UNTIL 25 SEP 09:07 2010. CREATED: 25 SEP 06:56 2010

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A7627/10 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N3830E11200-N3910E11200-N4200E8600-N4100E8600 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 25 SEP 08:40 2010 UNTIL 25 SEP 08:55 2010. CREATED: 23 SEP 10:07 2010

The latter closed a strip from Taiyuan to Korla. Maybe a missile launch with or without an ABM test.
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #1 on: 09/26/2010 06:29 PM »
Any news regarding this launch?

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #2 on: 09/27/2010 07:17 AM »
Any news regarding this launch?
Nope. My Chinese topic http://www.9ifly.cn/sub/thread-4428-1-1.html recieved 47000 hits but no official announcement or reliable leak surfaced.
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #3 on: 10/16/2010 12:45 PM »
"A U.S. official confirmed that China's military fired a missile from the  Taiyuan missile center, about 320 miles southwest of Beijing, to Korla,  a city in western China some 1,800 miles away."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/6/inside-the-ring-488593726/

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #4 on: 10/29/2010 04:56 PM »
Found this NOTAM:

A7846/10 -  A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA  ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N430921E1161141-N433510E1224354-N433017E1232104-N432829E1232108-N43 2035E1224452-  N430129E1161207 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:  SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 30 OCT  06:45 2010 UNTIL 30 OCT 07:45 2010. CREATED: 29 OCT 10:13 2010

It defines a long prohibited corridor aligned with Jiuquan satellite launch center, direction ENE, with a medium point distance of 1650km from JSLC.
« Last Edit: 10/29/2010 05:00 PM by input~2 »

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #5 on: 10/29/2010 05:07 PM »
Found this NOTAM:

A7846/10 -  A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA  ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N430921E1161141-N433510E1224354-N433017E1232104-N432829E1232108-N43 2035E1224452-  N430129E1161207 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:  SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 30 OCT  06:45 2010 UNTIL 30 OCT 07:45 2010. CREATED: 29 OCT 10:13 2010

It defines a long prohibited corridor aligned with Jiuquan satellite launch center, direction ENE, with a medium point distance of 1650km from JSLC.

Interesting...

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #6 on: 05/23/2011 10:35 AM »
Screenshot of a CCTV report on an undated ABM test from Taiyuan
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20110515/102565.shtml
« Last Edit: 05/23/2011 01:03 PM by input~2 »

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #7 on: 05/24/2011 08:20 PM »
And this is not the first such case. Another unknown launch was included into the footage of Shijian-6-04 launch on October 6, 2010:



It may well be just operator's training
« Last Edit: 09/11/2011 08:50 PM by Ronsmytheiii »
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #8 on: 05/26/2011 11:18 AM »
Screenshot of a CCTV report on an undated ABM test from Taiyuan
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20110515/102565.shtml


It seems that the flight path leads southwards from Taiyuan and not westwards to Korla. If this is true then it is not an ABM launch.

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #9 on: 05/26/2011 12:36 PM »
Screenshot of a CCTV report on an undated ABM test from Taiyuan
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20110515/102565.shtml
It seems that the flight path leads southwards from Taiyuan and not westwards to Korla. If this is true then it is not an ABM launch.
AFAIU, the legend of the picture reads:
 "Recently circulated online screenshot of CCTV report on anti-missile interception test from Taiyuan anti-missile base."


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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #10 on: 07/19/2011 09:32 AM »
Noted these 2 NOTAMs for July 20 between 10:25 am and 10:54 am LT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A0961/11 -  A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N395012E1070649-N394749E1095004-N385230E1094844-N385453E1070649  BACK TO  START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY  INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 20 JUL 02:25 2011 UNTIL 20 JUL 02:54 2011. CREATED: 19 JUL 08:30 2011

A0962/11
-  A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N370116E0815419-N372342E0832733-N363713E0834635-N361338E0821258  BACK TO  START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY  INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 20 JUL 02:25 2011 UNTIL 20 JUL 02:54 2011. CREATED: 19 JUL 08:31 2011




                                           

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #11 on: 07/19/2011 11:29 AM »
Noted these 2 NOTAMs for July 20 between 10:25 am and 10:54 am LT

Very interesting. An ICBM test launch from TSLC? DF-31?

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #12 on: 07/21/2011 11:35 PM »
Noted these 2 NOTAMs for July 20 between 10:25 am and 10:54 am LT

No news about this?

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #13 on: 07/23/2011 07:25 AM »
If that helps, an additional NOTAM seemed linked to the event:

  A0968/11 - THE FLW SEGMENTS OF ATS RTE CLSD: 1.V16: ATBUG-DENGKOU VOR 'DKO'. 2.A596:YABRAI VOR 'YBL'-DENGKOU VOR 'DKO'. 20 JUL 02:25 2011 UNTIL 20 JUL 03:00 2011. CREATED: 19 JUL 14:32 2011 

Waypoints coordinates:
ATBUG =  40°59'24.00"N  104°26'0.00"E

DENGKOU =  40°18'9.00"N  107° 0'0.00"E

YABRAI =  39°25'7.00"N 102°46'3.00"E
« Last Edit: 07/23/2011 07:43 AM by input~2 »

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #14 on: 07/24/2011 02:29 PM »
User kktt on the 9ifly chinese space forum supposed it could be a Julang-2 SLBM launch from Dalian, with the eastern area for 1st stage and the western one for the 2nd stage and warhead.
(If so, it would feature direct overflight of Tianjin, a city as large as New York.)
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #15 on: 07/24/2011 04:49 PM »
AFAIU, this user infers that the trajectory passed in the middle of the Bohai Sea (South of Dalian) in order not to overfly major cities like Beijing and Tianjin.
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #16 on: 07/25/2011 05:15 PM »
Yes, but the map presented by kktt clearly shows overflight of Tianjin.

Well, is is interesting to note that Shijian-11-03 passed in the vicinity of Dalian, the suspected launch area, on July 20 at 02:43 UTC.
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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #17 on: 07/25/2011 05:43 PM »
Well, is is interesting to note that Shijian-11-03 passed in the vicinity of Dalian, the suspected launch area, on July 20 at 02:43 UTC.
For early warning calibration?

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #18 on: 07/25/2011 08:02 PM »
User kktt on the 9ifly chinese space forum supposed it could be a Julang-2 SLBM launch from Dalian, with the eastern area for 1st stage and the western one for the 2nd stage and warhead.
(If so, it would feature direct overflight of Tianjin, a city as large as New York.)

If a launch from Bohai sea area was intended, why no NOTAM was issued for this area?

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Re: Chinese sub-orbital launches
« Reply #19 on: 07/25/2011 08:36 PM »
If a launch from Bohai sea area was intended, why no NOTAM was issued for this area?
First, I can't say there was no NOTAM for the Bohai sea since I didn't check NOTAMs for the FIR where the Northern part of the Bohai Sea is located.
Second, there might well have been no NOTAM for the launch area: this is the case for all CZ launches from XSLC, TSLC and JSLC (AFAIK, there are even no NOTAMS for the dropped CZ-3B/3C first stages or second stages).
« Last Edit: 07/25/2011 08:43 PM by input~2 »

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