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Maverick
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« Reply #30 on: 01/19/2011 02:54 PM » |
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I agree. L2 justs gets better and better. 
Thirded, or fourthed, or fifthed 
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Robert Malison
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« Reply #31 on: 02/08/2011 07:20 PM » |
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I have a question. I would like to join L2.
One some subscription sites, you get charged concurrently until you cancel. It seems you only pay once and if you don't renew it just runs out? I prefer that, so is L2 like that?
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stockman
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« Reply #32 on: 02/08/2011 07:22 PM » |
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I have a question. I would like to join L2.
One some subscription sites, you get charged concurrently until you cancel. It seems you only pay once and if you don't renew it just runs out? I prefer that, so is L2 like that?
Robert There is a good description of L2 here http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/l2/Basically you buy the time you want and about a month or so before it expires you get an Email notification to remind you to renew... If you choose not to renew then it just expires
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Chris Bergin
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« Reply #33 on: 02/08/2011 07:34 PM » |
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I have a question. I would like to join L2.
One some subscription sites, you get charged concurrently until you cancel. It seems you only pay once and if you don't renew it just runs out? I prefer that, so is L2 like that?
Thanks to Roger above and to expand. We didn't like the idea of having people tied to some sort of contract on a reoccurring payment - didn't seem at all fair where you have to physically cancel to avoid renewal payments. So with us you pay for your term and near the end of the term I personally (no e-mail bots here) send you a renewal notice about a week or so before your term is set to end - offering you the option to renew (any term period)....and if you renew before the end of your term, the difference is added on to your new term period. If you don't want to renew, you don't have to do anything and the term simply comes to an end when your term expires. Plus, if you want, you can jump back on L2 any time after the end of term. Most people renew before the end of term as we're always adding content to L2 daily. Our renewal rate stands at 94 percent.
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Robert Malison
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« Reply #34 on: 02/08/2011 08:52 PM » |
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Thanks! Will join this week! Your subscription warrants your use of our servers for unlimited downloading, in turn allowing the revenue gained from L2 subscriptions to be used to improve the site, keep the majority of the site and news as free access, and playing a part in helping NASASpaceflight.com’s present and future stability.
All L2 revenue is used solely on paying the large costs of hosting such a massive site. Nobody takes a salary from NSF, we all have other 'day jobs'. We're not asking for donations in return for a thank you, we're thanking you by giving you access to easily best subscription area related to space, and arguably on any subject given the level and range of content. Didn't know that. I love all the site already and that encourges me to know I'm helping the site as a whole too.
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Chris Bergin
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« Reply #35 on: 02/08/2011 09:33 PM » |
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Excellent, thanks for your support Robert - and that is exactly what it is. No L2, no site, simply as that. L2 members aren't paying for content, they are paying to support the site and getting rewarded for their support by being able to access the coolness of L2. Just a few years back we'd lag and go down when the site was busy on live event threads etc. Now we're up all the time, even at levels of 200+ page impressions per second because we're on top notch dedicated servers, which we can afford because of L2 revenue. There's no way we'd be able to self fund it and ad revenue fell through the bottom of the floor on the internet years ago. So those people who aren't L2 members, but use the site and enjoy it should know it's thanks to L2 members and the revenue/support they've provided which is why the site runs as well as it does, while those L2 members are getting rewarded with a lot of cool stuff
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jryodabobs
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« Reply #36 on: 02/09/2011 03:50 PM » |
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. . . L2 members are getting rewarded with a lot of cool stuff
Yes, we are, Chris. Thanks for all your hard work that makes it possible. Bob Stevenson
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ChrisGebhardt
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« Reply #37 on: 02/09/2011 04:25 PM » |
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Excellent, thanks for your support Robert - and that is exactly what it is. No L2, no site, simply as that. L2 members aren't paying for content, they are paying to support the site and getting rewarded for their support by being able to access the coolness of L2.
Just a few years back we'd lag and go down when the site was busy on live event threads etc. Now we're up all the time, even at levels of 200+ page impressions per second because we're on top notch dedicated servers, which we can afford because of L2 revenue. There's no way we'd be able to self fund it and ad revenue fell through the bottom of the floor on the internet years ago.
So those people who aren't L2 members, but use the site and enjoy it should know it's thanks to L2 members and the revenue/support they've provided which is why the site runs as well as it does, while those L2 members are getting rewarded with a lot of cool stuff
I would just like to add something here, as well. The L2 revenue goes entirely to site maintenance and upkeep. Chris and I (or any of the article contributors here) do not draw a salary or paycheck. We do all our work solely as volunteers. So the money spent on L2 subscriptions really does go to site maintenance and upkeep.
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Space Pete
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« Reply #38 on: 02/09/2011 04:55 PM » |
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Excellent, thanks for your support Robert - and that is exactly what it is. No L2, no site, simply as that. L2 members aren't paying for content, they are paying to support the site and getting rewarded for their support by being able to access the coolness of L2.
Just a few years back we'd lag and go down when the site was busy on live event threads etc. Now we're up all the time, even at levels of 200+ page impressions per second because we're on top notch dedicated servers, which we can afford because of L2 revenue. There's no way we'd be able to self fund it and ad revenue fell through the bottom of the floor on the internet years ago.
So those people who aren't L2 members, but use the site and enjoy it should know it's thanks to L2 members and the revenue/support they've provided which is why the site runs as well as it does, while those L2 members are getting rewarded with a lot of cool stuff
I would just like to add something here, as well. The L2 revenue goes entirely to site maintenance and upkeep. Chris and I (or any of the article contributors here) do not draw a salary or paycheck. We do all our work solely as volunteers. So the money spent on L2 subscriptions really does go to site maintenance and upkeep.
And all this time I've been expecting a big paycheck in the mail!  Seriously, I completely agree. I don't write for money. I write because I love doing it, and for the pleasure of giving something back to this fantastic community. From an ISS perspective (would you expect anything else from me?  ), I can tell you that since I've had L2, my knowledge of the ISS has increased tenfold. L2 members get ISS news at least a day or more before it appears anywhere else. Most of the ISS stuff on L2 doesn't even get a mention anywhere else, not even in the NASA ISS On-Orbit Status reports. The level of detail in the status notes is amazing. There's a wealth of ISS training manuals, too.
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Robert Malison
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« Reply #39 on: 02/11/2011 10:37 PM » |
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Signed up for two months earlier today and now I regret I had... ..........because it's amazing and I should have signed up for longer  Those resub comments turned out to be helpful as I will be resubbbing in two months. No way will I get through all this cool stuff this year nevermind in two months. Best 20 bucks I've spent in a long time.
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Chris Bergin
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« Reply #40 on: 02/11/2011 10:41 PM » |
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Heh! That's great to hear, and thanks for making me fall off my chair at first
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Lee Jay
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« Reply #41 on: 02/11/2011 11:07 PM » |
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No way will I get through all this cool stuff this year nevermind in two months. It would take a heck of a lot of effort to get through it all *ever*. Information seems to come into L2 faster than I'm able to read it, much less going back to all that exists there already. It's better organized now than it used to be so it's much easier to pick and choose that which interests you the most. But, man, there is a lot to choose from!
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RobbieCape
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« Reply #42 on: 05/23/2011 08:59 PM » |
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I love L2. It really does get better and better all the time, and is already providing great info on the new vehicles.
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Seattle Dave
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« Reply #43 on: 05/24/2011 05:04 AM » |
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I love this site and I think I should write a post which express my feelings about L2 in a way I think is warranted.
This is an amazing website even without L2, as much as I know L2 drives the excellent news articles, but I know Chris has said it before that without L2 there's no way they'd be able to run a site this size, and the new servers have shown how well that has worked out. 30,000 people counted on the Soyuz flyaround thread alone today? There's a big audience here.
However I didn't join L2 as a tip jar towards the running of the site, I'll hold my hands up, I was after the goodies and I didn't expect to see what was on there apart from a few promos for full length vids, which was what I was after. Bottom line is it really is much MUCH more than you can ever expect, especially on the depth. I was a subscriber on another site for a few months and they had a lot of videos, as much as most of their videos are now youtubed by NASA or recorded by people like John 44 because they are NASA TV features mostly, so what they are adding is probably being made available now anyway, and I kind of expected the same thing with L2.
But no, the videos are exclusives, like where you are sat in a MOD class learning about being a controller and Gene Kranz walks in to give a pep talk. Like the historic images, 2-4 meg full res photos, for nearly every mission there's been and sometimes 50 plus of them for each one. Sometimes it's a heads up, like the RPM images turning up within an hour. NASA.gov publish a handful a day later, but by then there 300 of them in L2, in sequence, getting stitched by Ron and turned into gifs because the full set is there and people already spotting the couple of dings. All of it downloadable to your own computer for keeps.
Best of all there's more professional space flight guys in there talking and really getting involved, even Jim and OV-106 are friendly there. Now there's really good info on the commercial vehicles too, and we're really getting front seats to the SLS content.
In short it's amazing, and while I've been on this site long enough I'd be more than happy to throw some bucks into the tip jar, those who do get rewarded like you won't believe.
Get on L2, support the site and get cool stuff. Best way of saying what needs to be said.
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Ford Mustang
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« Reply #44 on: 05/24/2011 10:14 AM » |
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But no, the videos are exclusives, like where you are sat in a MOD class learning about being a controller and Gene Kranz walks in to give a pep talk. Like the historic images, 2-4 meg full res photos, for nearly every mission there's been and sometimes 50 plus of them for each one. Sometimes it's a heads up, like the RPM images turning up within an hour. NASA.gov publish a handful a day later, but by then there 300 of them in L2, in sequence, getting stitched by Ron and turned into gifs because the full set is there and people already spotting the couple of dings. All of it downloadable to your own computer for keeps.
Best of all there's more professional space flight guys in there talking and really getting involved, even Jim and OV-106 are friendly there. Now there's really good info on the commercial vehicles too, and we're really getting front seats to the SLS content.
Snipped the quote, but I'd just like to expand on this - and great words, Dave. Really well said. The RPM photos from this mission were on L2 within an hour of them being sent to the ground. And not just one or two, there were probably 10 to 20 from each camera, if not more, so imagine 100 RPM images on L2 within an hour of shooting them in space. That's just amazing work from our sources, and we do thank them - L2 is an amazing place like no other. The engineers who are on L2, who frequent the site, are very knowledgeable and if you have a question, they'll answer it if they can. You really get "hands on" with the engineers, sometimes you feel like you're really about to go out on the MLP and fix a GSE issue (not really, but you get that much knowledge out of it). L2 can't be explained well enough, as much as we try. It's another level, filled with sources within who pass along memos from the consoles during a mission, memos or knowledge about an issue during a flow, and even learn about the next step in space flight.
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