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Cancelled: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« on: 12/31/2009 10:37 PM »
http://www.alcantaracyclonespace.com/?lng=2

"The Alcântara Cyclone Space Binational company, ACS, is responsible for the commercialization and operation of launch services using the Cyclone-4 launch vehicle from its launch site in Alcântara.

ACS is the result of years of negotiation between Brazil and the Ukraine. Such negotiations formally started with the signing of a Frame-Agreement towards Cooperation in Peaceful Uses of Outer Space, on Nov. 18, 1999. The successful conclusion of the negotiations culminated with the signature, on Oct. 21, 2003, of a Long-Term Cooperation Agreement for the use of the Cyclone-4 Launch Vehicle at the Alcântara Space Center. The treaty was signed by the Brazilian Minister of Science and Technology, Roberto Amaral, and by the Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kostiantyn Gryshtchenko, in the presence of the Presidents of Brazil and Ukraine, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Leonid Kuchma.

ACS was officially established on Aug. 31, 2006, when the approved bylaws were published in the Brazilian Official Gazette (Diário Oficial da União - DOU) through Decree #599 of the Brazilian Ministry of Science and Technology. The first meeting of ACS’ Managing Council took place on Aug. 30, 2007. The initial investment of each country is US$4.5 million. The treaty establishes that both countries should increase the company’s capital to a total of US$ 105 million.

The company has an administrative office in Brasilia, Brazil and actively works towards establishing its launch site in Alcântara."

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #1 on: 12/31/2009 10:42 PM »
http://www.interfax.com.ua/eng/main/21691/

09.10.2009

"The construction of the Tsyklon-4 (Cyclone-4) space complex at Brazil's Alcantara space center is being carried out according to the schedule, Deputy Head of the National Space Agency of Ukraine Eduard Kuznetsov told Interfax-Ukraine on Thursday.

"The Cyclone-4 is being constructed according to the time frame. Many works are being done ahead of the schedule. There are minor deviations, but they will be eliminated and we will catch up with the schedule," he said.

The board of directors of the Ukrainian-Brazilian JV Alcantara Cyclone Space will discuss in Brazil in late October the urgent organizational, technical and financial measures in implementing the Cyclone-4 project, the official reminded.

"I believe all these issues will be settled at the directors' meeting," he said adding that the agenda includes the issue of increasing the program's budget.

The first launch of Cyclone-4 rocket from Alcantara space center has been scheduled for the end of 2010, Kuznetsov said."

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #2 on: 01/04/2010 02:08 AM »
http://www.yuzhnoye.com/index.php?idD=69&id=124&path=News/News_e&lang=en

2009-12-03

On December, 3 the Defense Minister of the Federative Republic of Brazil Nelson Jobim paid a working visit to Yuzhnoye SDO and Yuzhmash.

At the working meeting of the Defense Minister of Brazil with the top managers and leading specialists of Yuzhnoye SDO and Yuzhmash, the status of space rocket hardware development was discussed, in the first turn, for joint Ukrainian-Brazilian project Cyclone-4.

During the visit to the general assembly workshop, Nelson Jobim and the members of Brazilian delegation familiarized themselves with the production of launch vehicles Cyclone-4, Zenit, Dnepr, rocket engines, spacecraft, rocket assemblies and components.

Also, a YouTube video of Cyclone 4 preparation, in Russian:


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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #3 on: 02/20/2010 05:09 AM »
So Cyclone-4 is basically Cyclone-3 with ridiculously expensive (both in development and manufacturing) waffle-based fairing of large diameter. This seems way too ambitious for Brazil. Why reach so far when you haven't even launched one rocket successfuly? What are they going to put into that fairing?

-- Pete

P.S. Other pictures of the unit behind the group of dignitaries make it clear the 1st stage engines are not installed. Yet decals are in place already :-)

P.P.S. Wait, I see it now. They want to bust into the GTO market with their first rocket. That's pretty bold...
« Last Edit: 02/20/2010 05:17 AM by zaitcev »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #4 on: 02/20/2010 02:30 PM »
Brazil is not developing this launcher, any more than Long Beach developed the SeaLaunch LV. This is a Ukrainian effort, on Brazilian territory.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #5 on: 04/12/2010 08:25 AM »
Tsyklon-4 maiden flight will be launched August, 2011.
Japanese Nano-JASMINE satellite (35kg) will be launched this flight as piggy back payload. Officially confirmed this launch contract.

http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #6 on: 04/12/2010 08:29 AM »
Has there been any construction work for the ground infrastructure at Alcantara?

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #7 on: 04/12/2010 02:28 PM »
Tsyklon-4 maiden flight will be launched August, 2011.
Japanese Nano-JASMINE satellite (35kg) will be launched this flight as piggy back payload. Officially confirmed this launch contract.

http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

It should be noted that this payload is intended for a sun synchronous orbit, whereas Cyclone 4 is designed for GTO missions.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #8 on: 04/12/2010 02:41 PM »
Tsyklon-4 maiden flight will be launched August, 2011.
Japanese Nano-JASMINE satellite (35kg) will be launched this flight as piggy back payload. Officially confirmed this launch contract.

http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

It should be noted that this payload is intended for a sun synchronous orbit, whereas Cyclone 4 is designed for GTO missions.


Although Tsiklon-4 can provide a small GTO capacity of only 1600 kg, there is virtually no market for this class. The prime usage of Tsiklon-4 will be for LEO and SSO payloads.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #9 on: 04/12/2010 02:45 PM »
Tsyklon-4 maiden flight will be launched August, 2011.
Japanese Nano-JASMINE satellite (35kg) will be launched this flight as piggy back payload. Officially confirmed this launch contract.

http://www.jasmine-galaxy.org/nano/nano-en.html

It should be noted that this payload is intended for a sun synchronous orbit, whereas Cyclone 4 is designed for GTO missions.


Although Tsiklon-4 can provide a small GTO capacity of only 1600 kg, there is virtually no market for this class. The prime usage of Tsiklon-4 will be for LEO and SSO payloads.

If that is the case, why build a new launch site in Brazil when there are already built Cyclone pads useful for LEO launches?

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #10 on: 04/12/2010 08:15 PM »
GTO ambition. ::)

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #11 on: 04/13/2010 02:58 AM »
GTO ambition. ::)

If this were really true, there would be no hope for Alcantara, since Cyclone can be launched to SSO from Russia or Kazakhstan. I would suspect that the real reason for the development of Alcantara is launch to GTO, but its not clear if the Ukrainians will be able to afford development of both a new launch site and a heavily modified LV.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #12 on: 04/14/2010 11:02 AM »
GTO ambition. ::)

If this were really true, there would be no hope for Alcantara, since Cyclone can be launched to SSO from Russia or Kazakhstan. I would suspect that the real reason for the development of Alcantara is launch to GTO, but its not clear if the Ukrainians will be able to afford development of both a new launch site and a heavily modified LV.


Ukraine does not want to depend on Russia or Kazakhstan for launch business. That's why choosing any geographically, economically and politically other suitable country is an ultimate long term goal for Ukrainan government and SDOY.

Alcantara is in Brazil, ACS is bi-national commercial company, but the management is belong to Ukranian side as they manufacture the LV and construct the pad.

On the contrary, Roscosmos and Russian government is pushing for RUS-M and Angara to replace Dnepr, Zenit (Both Land Launch and Sea Launch versions) and Tsiklon-3 (also their own Proton) to be independent from Ukranians.
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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #13 on: 09/02/2010 10:10 PM »
According to http://de.rian.ru/science/20100830/257191993.html the first launch of a Cyclone-4 from Alcantara will be in 2012.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #14 on: 10/08/2010 09:31 PM »
ACS Lays Foundation Stone of its Launch Site in Alcantara

In the morning of September 9th, 2010, the Ukraine-Brazil Alcantara Cyclone Space Binational Company (ACS) gave a start to the construction activities of its launch site. The foundation stone, laid at the future entrance to the launch site, was inaugurated by Sergio Rezende, Minister of Science and Technology of Brazil, and Igor Hrushkó, Ambassador of Ukraine in the Federative Republic of Brazil, jointly with General Directors of ACS, Oleksandr Serdyuk and Roberto Amaral.

About Alcantara Cyclone Space

Alcantara Cyclone Space is a binational company created by the Treaty between Ukraine and Brazil on Long-term Cooperation in Utilization of the Cyclone-4 Launch Vehicle at the Alcantara Launch Center, with the purpose of building in Brazil of a launch site and commercialization of space launch services by the Ukraine-made Cyclone-4 Launch Vehicle, a medium-class launcher capable of lifting up to 5300 kg into the Low Earth Orbit and 1600 kg into the Geostationary Transfer Orbit. The maiden flight of the Cyclone-4 Launch Vehicle is scheduled to take place in February 2012.

http://www.alcantaracyclonespace.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=306&Itemid=353

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #15 on: 10/20/2010 06:30 AM »


Another image of the Cyclone 4 hardware in Dnipro.
« Last Edit: 10/20/2010 06:30 AM by Danderman »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #16 on: 01/11/2011 09:52 AM »

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #17 on: 01/11/2011 08:02 PM »
Although Tsiklon-4 can provide a small GTO capacity of only 1600 kg, there is virtually no market for this class. The prime usage of Tsiklon-4 will be for LEO and SSO payloads.
Unless the Brazilian government wants to also make some small GTO satellites. Or they want to help their program watching someone else work. There's also the chance that they might open their range to other users. Korou is apparently used by ESA and Russia, so I don't think they will have an Angara or Rus-M launching from Brasil. India is very fine with where they are, ditto for China (which I seriously doubt would send anything abroad. But Ukrania is a very nice partner there.
With Argentina there's a lot of satellite development. In fact INVAP (they made the SAC-C and SAC-D and are working on a couple of SAR satellites) have stated that they intend to work towards small and modular satellites that can work in parallel, or even bolt-on in space. Sweden might help here too. So having a less capable launch vehicle (at start) might help them (and us) to develop the technologies to integrate in space. Meanwhile, Argentina is using SpaceX for launches.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #18 on: 01/12/2011 09:22 AM »
Although Tsiklon-4 can provide a small GTO capacity of only 1600 kg, there is virtually no market for this class. The prime usage of Tsiklon-4 will be for LEO and SSO payloads.
Unless the Brazilian government wants to also make some small GTO satellites. Or they want to help their program watching someone else work. There's also the chance that they might open their range to other users. Korou is apparently used by ESA and Russia, so I don't think they will have an Angara or Rus-M launching from Brasil. India is very fine with where they are, ditto for China (which I seriously doubt would send anything abroad. But Ukrania is a very nice partner there.
With Argentina there's a lot of satellite development. In fact INVAP (they made the SAC-C and SAC-D and are working on a couple of SAR satellites) have stated that they intend to work towards small and modular satellites that can work in parallel, or even bolt-on in space. Sweden might help here too. So having a less capable launch vehicle (at start) might help them (and us) to develop the technologies to integrate in space. Meanwhile, Argentina is using SpaceX for launches.

Brazil is working with Ukraine for already qualified launch vehicle for commercial purposes; Cyclone-4. Additionally, Russian MDB is helping Brazil to upgrade VLS.

So, there is alreay something going on in Brazil. I dont think they will add the 3rd alternative as Sweden, China or elsewhere. Yuzhnoye is already the the best partner they could ever have.

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Re: Cyclone 4 from Alcantara
« Reply #19 on: 01/12/2011 01:09 PM »
I'm sorry I didn't made myself clear. Brazil and Argentina develops satellites together (in fact, SAC-D/Aquarius is using the testing chambers of Brazil, and SAC-E will be binational). Where I said that Sweden could help was in the area of satellite control and navigation, as they have demonstrated a pair of satellites approaching to centimeters of each other and then flying away. That's the kind of technology that the Mercosur wants to master. Given the realities of budget around here, if we can get a modular satellite and build it piece wise over the years, even if it's more expensive and riskier on the long run, it would be possible, which the monolithic satellite wouldn't. Besides, since overhead costs here are so cheap in comparison to the first world countries, it makes sense.
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