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« Reply #1470 on: 03/30/2012 01:43 AM »


Orbital has an in house H2O2 engine design that was partly tested by NASA. The program was cancelled.  It could be pulled and upgraded.


What engine is that?

This one, I think.
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« Reply #1471 on: 03/30/2012 01:46 AM »

Video of one of the tests....
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« Reply #1472 on: 03/30/2012 02:14 AM »

Video of one of the tests....


It was only a nozzle and chamber and more than 10 years ago.  As for inhouse, doubt any of those people are around OSC. 
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« Reply #1473 on: 04/12/2012 12:55 AM »

Orbital Begins Antares First Stage Roll Out Pathfinder Operations
http://www.orbital.com/Antares/
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« Reply #1474 on: 04/12/2012 01:07 PM »

Have I mentioned the Pad On Ramp is an awesome pad designs?
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« Reply #1475 on: 04/12/2012 02:33 PM »

Orbital Begins Antares First Stage Roll Out Pathfinder Operations
http://www.orbital.com/Antares/


As I understand things this is the pathfinder, which will not perform the first flight.  After the static tests, it, or its engines, will be refurbished for use in a future flight. 

This rollout doesn't appear to include the Castor 30 second stage or the payload fairing.  I wonder if we'll see those added for a later test.

 - Ed Kyle

The good news is that the pad finally appears to be nearing some state of completion. All of the propellant lines should be located in the proper place, so they can perform their fit tests.

How much more work until NASA certifies the pad, and they can do the hot fire / pad hold-down tests ?
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« Reply #1476 on: 04/17/2012 07:17 PM »

Here's the latest from WFF:
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« Reply #1477 on: 04/17/2012 07:23 PM »

Nice!!!
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« Reply #1478 on: 04/17/2012 08:11 PM »

Here's the latest from WFF:
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« Reply #1479 on: 04/17/2012 09:51 PM »

Video of one of the tests....


It was only a nozzle and chamber and more than 10 years ago.  As for inhouse, doubt any of those people are around OSC. 

This engine might be a good choice for a liquid upper stage it's a lox methane engine in the same thrust class as the RL-10 but it's a lot cheaper.
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« Reply #1480 on: 04/17/2012 10:18 PM »

Video of one of the tests....


It was only a nozzle and chamber and more than 10 years ago.  As for inhouse, doubt any of those people are around OSC. 

This engine might be a good choice for a liquid upper stage it's a lox methane engine in the same thrust class as the RL-10 but it's a lot cheaper.
ISP (vacuum) – 321 sec. Not even close to an RL-10 on a Centaur. May be with a nozzle extension they could get to 350s? May be. An that's with an extra 30% volume over RP-1.
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« Reply #1481 on: 04/17/2012 10:26 PM »

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ISP (vacuum) – 321 sec. Not even close to an RL-10 on a Centaur. May be with a nozzle extension they could get to 350s? May be. An that's with an extra 30% volume over RP-1.

That's still maybe a 25 to 54s increase in ISP over the Castor-30 but the real savings would be in the dry mass fractions of the stage.
A methane stage of equivalent size would have a lower dry weight then a Centaur since it would have a smaller fuel tank due to the denser fuel.

I think at one point they were even considering the RD-0124 which is higher thrust but has similar ISP numbers 331 to 359 vac.
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« Reply #1482 on: 04/17/2012 11:01 PM »

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ISP (vacuum) – 321 sec. Not even close to an RL-10 on a Centaur. May be with a nozzle extension they could get to 350s? May be. An that's with an extra 30% volume over RP-1.

That's still maybe a 25 to 54s increase in ISP over the Castor-30 but the real savings would be in the dry mass fractions of the stage.
A methane stage of equivalent size would have a lower dry weight then a Centaur since it would have a smaller fuel tank due to the denser fuel.

I think at one point they were even considering the RD-0124 which is higher thrust but has similar ISP numbers 331 to 359 vac.

359 vac with kerosene is very different from methane at 321. Granted it's for an upper stage, but the density Isp is 366 and 264 respectively. Also, the pad is already equipped for kerosene. If you're going to invest in a third propellant, do hydrogen.
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« Reply #1483 on: 04/17/2012 11:09 PM »

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ISP (vacuum) – 321 sec. Not even close to an RL-10 on a Centaur. May be with a nozzle extension they could get to 350s? May be. An that's with an extra 30% volume over RP-1.

That's still maybe a 25 to 54s increase in ISP over the Castor-30 but the real savings would be in the dry mass fractions of the stage.
A methane stage of equivalent size would have a lower dry weight then a Centaur due to the smaller tanks.
An improvement over the Castor, probably. The Castor 30A has a very respectable 91.30% fmp. To put that in perspective:
US: fmp/isp
Solid:
Castor 30A: 91.30%/292s
Vega Z9: 78.91%/294s

Hypergolic
Cyclone-4 US: 77.93%/330s
Ariane 5 EPS+ 80%/321s
Proton-M Briz-M: 88.79%/326s
Proton-K Block DM: 86.05%/352s

RP-1/LOX
Soyuz-2A Block I: 91.52%/325s
Soyuz-2B Block I: 91.52%/359s
Zenit-2 2 stg: 89.68%/350s

H2/LOX
Ariane 5 ESC-A: 76.65%/446s
Saturn IV S-IVB: 89.31%/421s
Delta IV US 5m: 87.72%/462s
Centaur 4m x 1: 92.76%/450s

The Centaur is the best US in fmp and second on isp. Only to the DVIUS, which is almost the same engine with a nozzle extension. Talking about the RL and the Centaur is getting to the very best. A potential replacement for the Castor 30, probably better. Surely better at higher energy orbits. But you would have to include a nozzle extension, the Chase as is is 61 T/W. So you'd have even worse performance. And I really think making an 87% fmp CH4/LOX US without a balloon tank design is very good. Input your numbers assuming 87%/340s vs 91.30%/292, assume a normalized weight of the stage of 14,000kg and a payload's weight of 5000kg. You'd get 219m/s extra delta-v at 5,000kg. That's a 5700kg payload to LEO. But the Castor XL will do 6000kg. So you'd need something quite more powerful. And I haven't considered the gravity losses, since the Castor 30A has 3.5 times more T/W for this stack.
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« Reply #1484 on: 04/17/2012 11:16 PM »

359 vac with kerosene is very different from methane at 321. Granted it's for an upper stage, but the density Isp is 366 and 264 respectively. Also, the pad is already equipped for kerosene. If you're going to invest in a third propellant, do hydrogen.
Do you know any company that's developing an H2 upper stage US engine? I wish the RL10 had some competitor.  ;)
On the other hand, a 200kN/350s RP-1/LOX engine would be ideal for an Antares US. They could let Youzhoe design it like the Zenit.
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