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Offline Super George

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The Saturn V thread
« on: 01/21/2006 11:35 PM »
Wanted to start a thread explaining how it came about, and how it all worked, including images and info.

I'm sure there are people here with a good knowledge of the big rocket :)

Offline Tony T. Harris

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #1 on: 01/22/2006 02:10 AM »
What would you like to know? :)
Former Saturn V propulsion systems lead engineer.

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #2 on: 01/22/2006 02:20 AM »
Images, video, background, development, parts of the Saturn V and everything anyone can think of please!


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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #4 on: 01/22/2006 04:17 AM »
I'm too young to even remember anything pre-Shuttle, so images and diagrams would be good too. Links are nice, but it's easy to get confused within the first line. Images are good.

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #5 on: 01/22/2006 06:19 AM »
I remember watching the A-17 launch on TV live when a kid, I was only 6.  Night launch.

Offline Terry Rocket

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #6 on: 01/22/2006 08:28 AM »
Videos on the FTP section.

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Chris Bergin - 24/8/2005  4:24 PM

We've got a night Shuttle launch - so here's Apollo 17's night launch via a Saturn V (yikes - some power).

CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO DOWNLOAD

Source NASA HQ - BBC Archives

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Chris Bergin - 24/8/2005  5:46 PM

This is very cool (I'll get some more Shuttle stuff up soon, but these Saturn V's are something else!)

Source: BBC Archives/NASA

CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO DOWNLOAD

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Chris Bergin - 24/8/2005  6:44 PM

They did know how to film these launches!

CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO DOWNLOAD

Credit NASA / BBC Archive.

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Chris Bergin - 30/8/2005  8:46 PM

Didn't even know about this myself....

Source: groups.msn.com/SpaceCowboySaloon and NASA.


CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO DOWNLOAD

Lots more, go to the back pages of the FTP pages (8 and 9).

Also, Dana from SpaceCowboy seems to be the man for lots more...if he can provide links to his site?

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #7 on: 01/22/2006 12:00 PM »
Dana and his SCS is the best resource for this sort of historical information.

I'm sure he'll be kind enough to help this thread, but in the meantime: http://groups.msn.com/spacecowboysaloon

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #8 on: 01/22/2006 01:01 PM »
Another great site for pictures and multimedia is Kipp Teague's Project Apollo Archive:
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_archive.html

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #9 on: 01/22/2006 02:44 PM »
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Tony T. Harris - 21/1/2006  10:10 PM

What would you like to know? :)


I would love to hear your side of story, what the challenges you or your team had and how they where overcome, some of your experiences, the personal feelings, the time lines/pressures…etc


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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #10 on: 01/22/2006 03:54 PM »
Such an amazing towering rocket. Those videos are stunning.

Did it have more thrust than even the STS?

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #11 on: 01/22/2006 04:10 PM »
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STS Tony - 22/1/2006  10:54 AM

Such an amazing towering rocket. Those videos are stunning.

Did it have more thrust than even the STS?

Different beasts and as such people don't like to compare.

But the full Saturn V, remember there were more versions, was 7.5 million lbs thrust from liquid propellant and the STS is 7.7 million lbs thrust, 6.6 million of that coming from the SRBs, although again you have to then take a number of factors into account.

A shuttle launch is very loud and bright, but nothing could compare to the Saturn Vs, which had vibrations that would hit you from your front and then bounce off the VAB and LCC and get you on the way back. Very disorinenting at the time, but about as much fun as you can have with your pants on. The sight was simply amazing.

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #12 on: 01/22/2006 04:19 PM »
Another early image page, and a bunch of links via Marshall:

http://www.dars.org/jimz/ip-270.htm

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/saturn_apollo/index.html


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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #14 on: 01/26/2006 10:15 PM »
Nice links.

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #15 on: 01/27/2006 07:31 AM »
The Space Cowboy Saloon Saturn V page:

http://groups.msn.com/spacecowboysaloon/saturnv.msnw

VIDEO: Apollo 6 onboard (remote) cameras showing staging http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/video/staging.mpg

RealAudio: Apollo 8 launch: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/ap8_01_liftoff.ram

VIDEO: Apollo 8 launch from the MLP (Silent): http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/_docs/Apollo8Launch.wmv

RealAudio: Apollo 9 launch: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/ap9_01_liftoff.ram

Audio: Apollo 10 Launch: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/40thann/wav/ap10_launch.wav

RealAudio: Apollo 11 launch: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/apollo_11_liftoff.ram

Video: Apollo 11 TV feed launch: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/ktclips/apollo_11_liftoff.mpg

Video: Apollo 11 launch from the MLP (crank this puppy up loud): http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/_docs/Apollo11.wmv

Video: Apollo 11 Launch from behind pad: http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/video/apollo/apollo11/mpg/apollo11_launchclip02.mpg

Video: Apollo 11 launch, fixed camera: http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/video/apollo/apollo11/mpg/apollo11_launchclip01.mpg

Video: Apollo 11 launch, from top of LUT (Silent): http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/apollo/apollo11/mpg/apollo11_launchclip04.mpg

Video: Apollo 11 staging: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/apollo/apollo11/mpg/apollo11_launchclip03.mpg

RealAudio: Apollo 12 launch w/lightning strike: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/ap12_01_liftoff.ram

Video: Apollo 12 launch from the MLP (again, play 'er loud!): http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/_docs/Apollo12Launch.wmv

QT Video: Apollo 12 launch documentary: http://lisar.larc.nasa.gov/MOVIES/LARGE/LV-1998-00037.mov

RealAudio: Apollo 13 launch: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/ap13_01_liftoff.ram

QT Video: Apollo 13 launch: http://www.solarviews.com/raw/apo/apo13a.mov

AUDIO: Apollo 14 launch: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/40thann/wav/ap14_launch.wav

QT Video: Apollo 14 launch: http://www.solarviews.com/raw/apo/apo14a.mov

RealAudio: Apollo 15 launch: http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/multimedia/ap15_01_liftoff.ram

Video: Apollo 15 launch, TV feed: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/ktclips/ap15_liftoff.mpg

Audio: Apollo 16 launch, pretty good sound: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/40thann/wav/ap16_launch.wav

QT Video: Apollo 16 launch from VAB: http://www.solarviews.com/raw/apo/apo16b.mov

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Video: Apollo 17 launch: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/ktclips/ap17_liftoff_2.mpg

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1. Apollo 10 launch from Pad 39B, may 18, 1969
2. Apollo 11 S1C 1st stage
3. Apollo 10 S2 2nd stage
4. Apollo 4 (unmanned) SIVB 3rd stage + interstage skirt (separated w/ S2 at staging)
5. Apollo 6 (unmanned) IBM-built Instrument Unit (IU) guidence system ring atop SIVB
6. Apollo 14, 15 & 16 spacecraft adapters & CSMs, + LES tower in VAB
7. Apollo 11 rollout
8. Double-exposure scale comparison between unmanned Skylab Saturn V & manned Skylab 2 Saturn IB, Spring 1973

 






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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #16 on: 01/27/2006 02:33 PM »
That should keep a few people happy for a while :)

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #17 on: 01/27/2006 08:57 PM »
Saturn could carry more to LEO than any other launcher...but in terms of thrust at liftoff it ranks third...behind N1 and Energiya respectively.

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #18 on: 01/27/2006 09:27 PM »
it also is behind STS

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RE: The Saturn V thread
« Reply #19 on: 01/27/2006 11:53 PM »
N-1 was impressive but IMO a non-contender in this match: they never got one to last longer than the first stage. In essence it will be remembered as the world's largest and most expensive firecracker. Energiya worked, but how many times has it flown at all? And, like the N-1, it has never flown manned. IMO you can't be the heavyweight champ if you've never boxed.

The last J-Mission and Skylab Saturn Vs were uprated to 7.7 million pounds of thrust. That's at worst a tie with what even the most optimistic stats attribute to the Shuttle STS. That makes it a tie in my book and of course....an all-American contest! :) Then again, the Saturn V never had a launch-vehicle failure during the boost phase that resulted in the loss of the vehicle and crew....sadly STS can't say that.
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