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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #420 on: 03/09/2013 05:51 PM »
where am I from?

I think it is obvious that comets comes from the outer rims of the solar system...

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #421 on: 03/10/2013 03:43 AM »
Iransat-3 250 kg >>> 2017

Qaem - 1-1.8 ton >>> 2019-2020

Thanks Soheil. Is there a source for this information?
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #423 on: 03/12/2013 04:20 AM »
Thanks Soheil. I had seen those before. The first link says

"Head of Iran Space Agency (ISA) says the country plans to launch its first three telecom satellites into space within the next 5 years."

That is IranSat 1 to 3 will be launched up to 2018. How do you know IranSat 3 will be launched in 2017?

The second link says

"Weighing one ton with 12 transponders, Qaem satellite is expected to be placed at one of Iran’s orbital positions within the next five years, Hamid Fazeli said on Sunday."

Five years from now is 2018, not 2019-2020. Its mass is also stated as 1 ton, not 1-1.8 ton. Are these errors by the media? Where did you get your information?

"He further said that in two and a half years’ time, Iran will launch its telecom satellite IranSat 1, which will be able to broadcast TV programs two hours per day."

That puts IranSat 1 in September 2015.

"Fazeli said that the satellite weighing 700 kilograms will be sent into orbit about 250 kilometers above the Earth's surface via the indigenous Simorgh (Phoenix) satellite carrier."

So are you saying the media got the numbers mixed up? The satellite weighs 250 kg and will be launched into a 700 km orbit? How do you know this?
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #424 on: 03/12/2013 06:12 AM »
Steven, I would appreciate it if you will comment on my previous note regarding the value of Iranian declerations about future launches, and the validity of your lists, which are updated all the time but are accurate only regarding past events, and even in thar regard has difficulties since Iran never confirmed launch mishaps.

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #425 on: 03/13/2013 04:08 AM »
Steven, I would appreciate it if you will comment on my previous note regarding the value of Iranian declarations about future launches, and the validity of your lists, which are updated all the time but are accurate only regarding past events, and even in that regard has difficulties since Iran never confirmed launch mishaps.

My position is that all statements are potentially true, until proven otherwise. I know that some people are not interested in predictions, due to the unreliability of those predictions. I'm not one of those people. I'm very interested in launch predictions, even though I know those launch predictions are unreliable.

As to the accuracy of my launch manifests, they are only as accurate as to the information which is publicly available, which we historically know to not be very accurate. :-)
« Last Edit: 03/13/2013 04:13 AM by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #426 on: 03/13/2013 07:12 AM »
Plus the listings by Steven - and others for other launcher organisations - are useful summaries of what might happen, but should never be take as totally accurate.

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #427 on: 03/15/2013 06:57 AM »
Thanks Soheil. I had seen those before. The first link says

"Head of Iran Space Agency (ISA) says the country plans to launch its first three telecom satellites into space within the next 5 years."

That is IranSat 1 to 3 will be launched up to 2018. How do you know IranSat 3 will be launched in 2017?

The second link says

"Weighing one ton with 12 transponders, Qaem satellite is expected to be placed at one of Iran’s orbital positions within the next five years, Hamid Fazeli said on Sunday."

Five years from now is 2018, not 2019-2020. Its mass is also stated as 1 ton, not 1-1.8 ton. Are these errors by the media? Where did you get your information?

"He further said that in two and a half years’ time, Iran will launch its telecom satellite IranSat 1, which will be able to broadcast TV programs two hours per day."

That puts IranSat 1 in September 2015.

"Fazeli said that the satellite weighing 700 kilograms will be sent into orbit about 250 kilometers above the Earth's surface via the indigenous Simorgh (Phoenix) satellite carrier."

So are you saying the media got the numbers mixed up? The satellite weighs 250 kg and will be launched into a 700 km orbit? How do you know this?

Farsnews is more reliable in this field  :)

I don't have any idea about " launch dates "

because its depends on new launchers >>> Safir-2 & Safir-3

as you know Safir-1 is just an experience for bigger launchers ...

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #428 on: 03/20/2013 08:17 PM »
Happy New Year to our Iranian friends.

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #429 on: 04/07/2013 01:35 PM »

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #430 on: 04/07/2013 01:51 PM »
Completed launches

Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)


2008.08.17 - Omid - Safir-1 - Semnan - launch failure
2009.02.02 - Omid - Safir-1 - Semnan - 18:34
2011.06.15 - Rasad - Safir-1A - Semnan - 9:15:03
2012.02.03 - Navid Elm-o-Sana't - Safir-1B - Semnan - 00:04
2012.05.23 - Fajr #1 - Safir-1B - Semnan - launch failure
2012.09.22 - Fajr #2 - Safir-1B - Semnan - launch failure
2013.02.17-18 - Fajr #3 - Safir-1B - Semnan - launch failure

Planned launches

Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2013

early summer - Nahid - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan
summer - Zafar - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan
NLT September 20 - Fajr - Safir-1B - Semnan
March-April TBD - Sharif - Safir-1B - Semnan

2014
NLT March - AutSat (A Test, Amir Kabir-1, RU300) - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan
NLT March - Tolou - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan
NLT March - Mesbah-2 - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan

2015
TBD - Pars 2 - TBD - TBD
TBD - IranSat 1 - Simorgh (Qoqnoos/Phoenix)  - TBD

2017
2015-2018 TBD - IranSat 2 - Simorgh (Qoqnoos/Phoenix) - TBD

2018
2015-2018 TBD - IranSat 3 - Simorgh (Qoqnoos/Phoenix) - TBD
TBD - Qaem (GSO communication satellite) - TBD - TBD (or 2023)

Unclear:
TBD - Masud 2 & Rasad 2 - Simorgh (Safir-2A) - Semnan
TBD - Parsmehr - TBD - TBD
TBD - Ayaat - TBD - TBD
TBD - Saar - TBD - TBD
2019-2024 - manned launch - TBD - TBD

Changes on April 7th
Changes on April 12th
Changes on April 18th
Changes on May 1st
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #431 on: 04/11/2013 07:52 AM »

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #432 on: 04/12/2013 08:33 AM »
Thanks Satori. Presumably, this would be a Kavoshgar Class D vehicle (possibly the Safir IB first stage), the previous solid fuelled vehicle being called Kavoshgar Class C.
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« Last Edit: 04/12/2013 12:49 PM by Satori »

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #434 on: 04/18/2013 05:31 AM »
Thanks Satori. Looks like Qaem has been cancelled.

I find it ironic that kicking Iran off existing geosynchronous satellites is forcing them to develop their own satellites. If there is no major war and a peaceful regime change occurs, it could be that in 30 to 40 years time Iran could be a major player in launching geosynchronous satellites. I'm sure nobody thought in the 1960's that Russia would be launching Western satellites now.
« Last Edit: 04/18/2013 05:40 AM by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #436 on: 04/19/2013 07:17 PM »
Thanks Satori. Looks like Qaem has been cancelled.

I find it ironic that kicking Iran off existing geosynchronous satellites is forcing them to develop their own satellites. If there is no major war and a peaceful regime change occurs, it could be that in 30 to 40 years time Iran could be a major player in launching geosynchronous satellites. I'm sure nobody thought in the 1960's that Russia would be launching Western satellites now.

there is no "peaceful regime change"

I am living in Iran ... we have problems but we don't need a regime change ...

Dear Steven  :)

wait for a liquid fuel monster Qaem SLV ( project name ) in Next 5 years  ;)

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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #437 on: 04/20/2013 06:37 AM »
;D  ;D  ;D
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/military-discussions-and-news/globalsecurity-informations-based-on-my-3d-concepts-!!!/

You need to register to view that page, which I'm inclined not to do.

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wait for a liquid fuel monster Qaem SLV ( project name ) in Next 5 years

Do you have a reference for that?
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #438 on: 04/20/2013 04:43 PM »
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Re: Iranian Space
« Reply #439 on: 05/19/2013 06:16 PM »
An alert from Zarya.info (Robert Christy site) says a orbital launch is possible on June 2 based on recent NOTAMs.

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