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Title: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: Chris Bergin on 02/16/2015 12:29 PM
Discussion thread for GovSat-1 satellite launching on Falcon 9

NSF Threads for GovSat-1 : Discussion (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36807.0) / Updates (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44691.0) / L2 Coverage January-February (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44312.0)
NSF Articles for GovSat-1 :

January 30 2018 on reused Falcon 9 (reportedly 1032.2) from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral.  The first stage may not be recovered.


First order for the company since the merger?

ORBITAL ATK’S GEOSTAR-3 SATELLITE PLATFORM GAINS TRACTION AMONG WORLD’S TOP SATELLITE OPERATORS
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SES Selects Orbital ATK to Build SES-16/GovSat Satellite for Mid-2017 Delivery
Third GEOStar-3 Spacecraft Ordered Since 2014 Introduction


Dulles, Virginia, 16 February 2015 – Orbital ATK, Inc. (NYSE: OA), a global leader in aerospace and defense technologies, announced today it received a contract to build a communications satellite for LuxGovSat, a newly created joint venture between SES and the Luxembourg government. SES-16/GovSat will be used to provide military satellite bandwidth to governments and institutions. The Luxembourg government has pre-committed to a significant amount of capacity in support of its NATO obligations.

Based on Orbital ATK’s recently introduced GEOStar-3™ satellite platform, SES-16/GovSat is a multi-mission satellite using dedicated military frequencies (X-band and military Ka-band) to provide high-powered and fully steerable spot beams for multiple government-specific missions. It is Orbital ATK’s 40th GEOStar satellite sale, the third GEOStar-3 satellite purchased, and seventh GEOStar satellite to be built for SES.

“SES is one of the world’s most prominent satellite operators and this contract demonstrates a continued confidence in our GEOStar product line. As a customer-focused company known for innovation, reliability and affordability, we are pleased to provide LuxGovSat with a high-quality satellite that will meet expectations in cost, schedule and performance,” said Chris Richmond, VP and GM of the Commercial Satellite Division at Orbital ATK’s Space Systems Group. “Based on our exceptional record of delivering flight-proven satellites on time and on budget, Orbital ATK continues to be a partner that SES and the Government of Luxembourg can count on.”

Orbital ATK’s GEOStar satellite platform can accommodate all types of commercial communications payloads and is compatible with all major commercial launchers. The GEOStar design is optimized for satellite missions requiring up to eight kilowatts of payload power.

The company also offers a hybrid electric propulsion GEOStar-3 design that provides the benefits of higher power/higher payload capability while still maintaining advantageous launch costs.

Martin Halliwell, Chief Technology Officer of SES, commented, “The joint procurement of SES-16/GovSat opens a new chapter in the strategically important government business vertical and in the cooperation between SES and the Luxembourg government. SES-16/GovSat will ensure flexibility for the ever-changing missions of governments and institutions in the security, defense and civil arena and will allow for the deployment of integrated and smart end-to-end managed solutions for these demanding customers.”

SES-16/GovSat will be designed, manufactured and tested at Orbital ATK’s satellite manufacturing facility in Dulles, Virginia. It is slated for delivery in mid-2017. Once in orbit, it will be positioned on the European geostationary orbit arc with coverage areas over Europe, the Middle East and Africa. It will have a service life of 15 years.

Orbital ATK’s Space Systems Group (SSG) is an industry leader in satellite technology and advanced rated space systems providing a broad portfolio of products and services for commercial, military, civil government and international customers. The Group designs, manufactures and operates small to medium-class satellites for communication, imaging, science, human exploration and military operations. SSG also specializes in market-leading integrated thermal control systems, space components that power and enable satellites of all classes, satellite servicing technology and premier technical engineering services to government agencies and laboratories.

 

SES Upcoming Launches (https://www.ses.com/our-network/launches)
GovSat-1 on SES.com (https://www.ses.com/network/satellites/371) / GovSat-1 on Gunter's Space Page (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ses-16.htm)



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Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: TrevorMonty on 02/16/2015 04:21 PM
Another article on this , SES have 3 satellites on order max weight is 4200kg. This gives them choice of Ariane 5 or F9.

http://spacenews.com/airbus-boeing-and-orbital-atk-split-ses-satellite-order/
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 02/17/2015 12:11 PM
The interesting thing is that SES-16 (http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20635031) is one of three new satellite orders from SES announced at the same time, and unlike this one the other two are fully electric-propulsion comsats. SES-14 (http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20634869) will be built by Airbus DS on their Eurostar-3000EOR bus and SES-15 (http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20634941) will be built by Boeing on their BSS-702SP (same bus as the twin comsats due for launch in 1.5-2 weeks time  ;)).
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Sam Ho on 03/23/2015 08:42 PM
Another article on this , SES have 3 satellites on order max weight is 4200kg. This gives them choice of Ariane 5 or F9.

http://spacenews.com/airbus-boeing-and-orbital-atk-split-ses-satellite-order/

SES confirmed F9 as the launch vehicle a little afterwards.  Apparently, weight growth in Ariane upper passengers means that it is now too heavy for the lower slot.

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Luxembourg-based SES, which was the first established commercial satellite fleet operator to use Falcon 9 and has another launch scheduled with SpaceX this summer, said its SES-14 and SES-16/GovSat satellites would be launched on separate Falcon 9 vehicles.

http://spacenews.com/ses-books-falcon-9-launches-for-ses-14-and-ses-16-govsat/
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: LouScheffer on 03/23/2015 09:20 PM
Another article on this , SES have 3 satellites on order max weight is 4200kg. This gives them choice of Ariane 5 or F9.

http://spacenews.com/airbus-boeing-and-orbital-atk-split-ses-satellite-order/

SES confirmed F9 as the launch vehicle a little afterwards.  Apparently, weight growth in Ariane upper passengers means that it is now too heavy for the lower slot.

http://spacenews.com/ses-books-falcon-9-launches-for-ses-14-and-ses-16-govsat/
The question then will be whether SES will request an expendable F9, which in its enhanced version could deliver this to a very good orbit (1300 m/s to GEO, if they are willing to accept a VERY high apogee) or whether they will get a re-usable F9 to a more traditional orbit (1500-1600 m/s to GEO) and get a lower price for the rocket.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Jakusb on 07/22/2017 09:30 AM
https://twitter.com/govsatlu/status/888375632584900608

GovSat-1 launch expected for December 2017 #GovSat1 #satellite #Luxembourg #Europe #Defence 100komma7.lu/article/aktual…

Edit: added the tweet contents. Just realized that Tapatalk now automatically displays tweets from just the link alone, but the forum (accessed directly) does not..

Text from related 21 juli article:
De Satellit GovSat-1 dierft mat liichtem Retard lancéiert ginn. Den initiale Plang war e Lancement am Oktober. Vun der privater US-Entreprise SpaceX hätt een elo eng Zäitfënster confirméiert kritt. A priori fir Dezember, sou de Generaldirekter vu LuxGovSat Patrick Biewer. Enn 2017, respektiv Ufank 2018 soll de Betrib vum sougenannte Militär-Satellit kënnen ufänken

So SpaceX gave LuxGovSat CEO Patrick Biewer notice the launch is now planned for December
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: cppetrie on 07/22/2017 01:17 PM
https://twitter.com/govsatlu/status/888375632584900608

GovSat-1 launch expected for December 2017 #GovSat1 #satellite #Luxembourg #Europe #Defence 100komma7.lu/article/aktual…

Edit: added the tweet contents. Just realized that Tapatalk now automatically displays tweets from just the link alone, but the forum (accessed directly) does not..

Text from related 21 juli article:
De Satellit GovSat-1 dierft mat liichtem Retard lancéiert ginn. Den initiale Plang war e Lancement am Oktober. Vun der privater US-Entreprise SpaceX hätt een elo eng Zäitfënster confirméiert kritt. A priori fir Dezember, sou de Generaldirekter vu LuxGovSat Patrick Biewer. Enn 2017, respektiv Ufank 2018 soll de Betrib vum sougenannte Militär-Satellit kënnen ufänken

So SpaceX gave LuxGovSat CEO Patrick Biewer notice the launch is now planned for December
Possible candidate for another flight-proven booster?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Jakusb on 07/22/2017 01:35 PM
https://twitter.com/govsatlu/status/888375632584900608

GovSat-1 launch expected for December 2017 #GovSat1 #satellite #Luxembourg #Europe #Defence 100komma7.lu/article/aktual…

Edit: added the tweet contents. Just realized that Tapatalk now automatically displays tweets from just the link alone, but the forum (accessed directly) does not..

Text from related 21 juli article:
De Satellit GovSat-1 dierft mat liichtem Retard lancéiert ginn. Den initiale Plang war e Lancement am Oktober. Vun der privater US-Entreprise SpaceX hätt een elo eng Zäitfënster confirméiert kritt. A priori fir Dezember, sou de Generaldirekter vu LuxGovSat Patrick Biewer. Enn 2017, respektiv Ufank 2018 soll de Betrib vum sougenannte Militär-Satellit kënnen ufänken

So SpaceX gave LuxGovSat CEO Patrick Biewer notice the launch is now planned for December
Possible candidate for another flight-proven booster?

Well I asked them. Small chance but better then no chance.

https://twitter.com/jacobw35/status/888657129892179968

@GovSatLu On a new or flight proven booster?

Like and retweet to increase my chances please.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Ragmar on 10/05/2017 12:24 AM
Luxembourg media saying that it's January 2018 now

http://5minutes.rtl.lu/laune/actu/1079131.html
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: Comga on 10/12/2017 07:51 PM
Quote from: SpaceFlightNow
SES is considering launching its next satellite — SES 16 developed in partnership with the government of Luxembourg — with a reused Falcon 9 booster in January.

Article Link (https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/10/12/spacex-launches-its-15th-mission-of-the-year/)

SES 16 slips to January and on a re-used booster (as I think can be expected for most SES flights from here on out).

That statement is ambiguous as to what they are "considering", a launch delay into January, use of a "flight proven" first stage, or both.

In any case, gongora's manifest (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.msg1702572#msg1702572) currently has the SES-16 launch in January.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: envy887 on 10/12/2017 08:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceFlightNow
SES is considering launching its next satellite — SES 16 developed in partnership with the government of Luxembourg — with a reused Falcon 9 booster in January.

Article Link (https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/10/12/spacex-launches-its-15th-mission-of-the-year/)

SES 16 slips to January and on a re-used booster (as I think can be expected for most SES flights from here on out).

That statement is ambiguous as to what they are "considering", a launch delay into January, use of a "flight proven" first stage, or both.

In any case, gongora's manifest (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43418.msg1702572#msg1702572) currently has the SES-16 launch in January.

It's pretty clear in the article that SES wants to launch ASAP, so them "considering" a delay doesn't make much sense. They would only delay if the sat or the LV isn't ready.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Dec. 2017 : Discussion
Post by: cscott on 10/12/2017 09:22 PM
But I think "January" and "reused booster" are related: the slip might be even further if they decide they need a new booster.  SpaceX is offering them a reused booster in January, as one package.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : Jan. 2018
Post by: gongora on 11/28/2017 04:01 PM
Another FCC app (crossposting from Reddit).

This  (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=81281&RequestTimeout=1000)is for mission 1389 a RTLS from SLC-40 that will launch in H1 2018. Any idea as to what this one is?

All three of the FCC applications for this flight were granted on Nov. 27 for flight from SLC-40 NET Jan. 15 with droneship landing.  I'm assuming it's GovSat-1.

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MOBILE: Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles, within 18.52 km, centered around NL 28-08-39; WL 74-03-19
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : mid-Jan. 2018
Post by: tvg98 on 12/05/2017 07:08 PM
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SES-16/GovSat will feature a special port, which allows a hosted payload to dock with it in orbit. The port will be the support structure for an unidentified hosted payload to be launched on a future SES satellite and then released in the vicinity of SES-16. The 200 kg, 500-watt payload then will travel to SES-16 and attach itself.


http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ses-16.htm (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ses-16.htm)
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : mid-Jan. 2018
Post by: rockets4life97 on 12/06/2017 04:09 PM
Has this been confirmed as a re-used booster? Or does NASA choosing to use a re-used booster free up core b1044 for this flight?

Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : mid-Jan. 2018
Post by: ZachS09 on 12/06/2017 04:17 PM
Has this been confirmed as a re-used booster? Or does NASA choosing to use a re-used booster free up core b1044 for this flight?

I was convinced that B1044 was always chosen for the expendable Hispasat 30W-6 mission.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/08/2017 09:41 PM
Apparently SFN's schedule has updated so we can move this out of L2 too:

NET Jan 30.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Craig_VG on 12/22/2017 09:20 PM


SpaceX Opens Media Accreditation for GovSat-1 Mission

HAWTHORNE, Calif. – December 22, 2017. Media accreditation is now open for SpaceX's GovSat-1 mission from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The launch is targeted for no earlier than late January 2018.

 

A flight-proven Falcon 9 will deliver GovSat-1 to a geostationary transfer orbit (GTO).

Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: IanThePineapple on 12/22/2017 09:33 PM
Is it known what booster is assigned? I'd guess CRS-12 or OTV-5, maybe KoreaSat's
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: vaporcobra on 12/22/2017 09:45 PM
Is it known what booster is assigned? I'd guess CRS-12 or OTV-5, maybe KoreaSat's

There's some L2 info that can answer that question :)
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42452.0
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: crandles57 on 12/31/2017 07:34 PM
Is it known what booster is assigned? I'd guess CRS-12 or OTV-5, maybe KoreaSat's

There's some L2 info that can answer that question :)
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42452.0

When does this get declassified?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: gongora on 12/31/2017 09:34 PM
Is it known what booster is assigned? I'd guess CRS-12 or OTV-5, maybe KoreaSat's

There's some L2 info that can answer that question :)
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42452.0

When does this get declassified?

As far as I can tell there is just a guess in that L2 thread.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: cscott on 01/01/2018 05:42 AM
And the answer in general is that L2 info gets "declassified" when it is confirmed with SpaceX and written up in an article.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: gongora on 01/07/2018 01:58 AM
How would this satellite get from Dulles to the Cape?  Would it most likely be flown, and if so would it be on an AN-124?  I tried looking for AN-124 flights and  found one going Dulles-LAX-Merritt Island on Dec 3-4, and another AN-124 going Dulles-Kingston-Tampa on Dec 24 (which seems less likely).  Would these GEO sats ever just get trucked to the launch site from Dulles?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: IanThePineapple on 01/07/2018 02:35 AM
And the answer in general is that L2 info gets "declassified" when it is confirmed with SpaceX and written up in an article.

This is why I want to get L2, I'm super impatient. I might buy 2 months just to test it out this year
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: octavo on 01/07/2018 04:14 AM
And the answer in general is that L2 info gets "declassified" when it is confirmed with SpaceX and written up in an article.

This is why I want to get L2, I'm super impatient. I might buy 2 months just to test it out this year
It's totally worth it, especially around launch times. In fact, just the renders by lamontagne and others that end up in the articles are worth it. There are plenty that don't make it indy the article, but are still great fanservice.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: IanThePineapple on 01/07/2018 04:31 AM
And the answer in general is that L2 info gets "declassified" when it is confirmed with SpaceX and written up in an article.

This is why I want to get L2, I'm super impatient. I might buy 2 months just to test it out this year
It's totally worth it, especially around launch times. In fact, just the renders by lamontagne and others that end up in the articles are worth it. There are plenty that don't make it indy the article, but are still great fanservice.

Alright, I need that in my life.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Star One on 01/07/2018 08:33 AM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/07/2018 08:27 PM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Expanding on your thought...

The Falcon Heavy Demo launch from LC-39A is, in essence, now NET simultaneous with the SES-16 launch from SLC-40.

How would this satellite get from Dulles to the Cape?  Would it most likely be flown, and if so would it be on an AN-124?  I tried looking for AN-124 flights and  found one going Dulles-LAX-Merritt Island on Dec 3-4, and another AN-124 going Dulles-Kingston-Tampa on Dec 24 (which seems less likely).  Would these GEO sats ever just get trucked to the launch site from Dulles?

Apparently, "we" don't know if the satellite has even been delivered to the launch site yet?  Would O/ATK or SES announce a successful delivery to the launch provider?  Or does Luxembourg want as little publicity as possible?

That appears to be a (the?) critical piece of missing information.

My non-expert opinion:
SES is a paying customer (vs. FH demo which is a test flight with no customer payload aboard).  A delay of a few days beyond NET Jan. 29 won't matter much in the "big picture" (How the Solar System Was Won).  SES-16 would be given priority in a parallel launch campaigns situation.

So IF the satellite has been delivered and is already being processed for launch;

AND IF Zuma launches tonight, as scheduled;

THEN SES-16 might progress directly through its launch campaign as soon as SLC-40 is cleared for another launch, launching before the Falcon Heavy Demo.

There's my deduction chain.  Any flaws?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Star One on 01/07/2018 08:29 PM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Expanding on your thought...

The Falcon Heavy Demo launch from LC-39A is, in essence, now NET simultaneous with the SES-16 launch from SLC-40.

Apparently, "we" don't know if the satellite has even been delivered to the launch site yet?  Would O/ATK or SES announce a successful delivery?  Or does Luxembourg want as little publicity as possible?

That appears to be a (the?) critical piece of missing information.

My non-expert opinion:
SES is a paying customer (vs. FH demo which is a test flight with no customer payload aboard).  A delay of a few days beyond NET Jan. 29 won't matter much in the "big picture" (How the Solar System Was Won).  SES-16 would be given priority in a parallel launch campaigns situation.

So IF the satellite has been delivered and is already being processed for launch;

AND IF Zuma launches tonight, as scheduled;

THEN SES-16 might progress directly through its launch campaign as soon as SLC-40 is cleared for another launch, launching before the Falcon Heavy Demo.

There's my deduction chain.  Any flaws?

In light of the above I can see the FH demo flight dropping into February.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/07/2018 08:43 PM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Expanding on your thought...

The Falcon Heavy Demo launch from LC-39A is, in essence, now NET simultaneous with the SES-16 launch from SLC-40.

Apparently, "we" don't know if the satellite has even been delivered to the launch site yet?  Would O/ATK or SES announce a successful delivery?  Or does Luxembourg want as little publicity as possible?

That appears to be a (the?) critical piece of missing information.

My non-expert opinion:
SES is a paying customer (vs. FH demo which is a test flight with no customer payload aboard).  A delay of a few days beyond NET Jan. 29 won't matter much in the "big picture" (How the Solar System Was Won).  SES-16 would be given priority in a parallel launch campaigns situation.

So IF the satellite has been delivered and is already being processed for launch;

AND IF Zuma launches tonight, as scheduled;

THEN SES-16 might progress directly through its launch campaign as soon as SLC-40 is cleared for another launch, launching before the Falcon Heavy Demo.

There's my deduction chain.  Any flaws?

In light of the above I can see the FH demo flight dropping into February.
In theory with AFTS and no need to fully reconfigure as is the case for a switch to a ULA launcher, they could both launch same day.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/07/2018 08:59 PM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Expanding on your thought...

The Falcon Heavy Demo launch from LC-39A is, in essence, now NET simultaneous with the SES-16 launch from SLC-40.

Apparently, "we" don't know if the satellite has even been delivered to the launch site yet?  Would O/ATK or SES announce a successful delivery?  Or does Luxembourg want as little publicity as possible?

That appears to be a (the?) critical piece of missing information.

My non-expert opinion:
SES is a paying customer (vs. FH demo which is a test flight with no customer payload aboard).  A delay of a few days beyond NET Jan. 29 won't matter much in the "big picture" (How the Solar System Was Won).  SES-16 would be given priority in a parallel launch campaigns situation.

So IF the satellite has been delivered and is already being processed for launch;

AND IF Zuma launches tonight, as scheduled;

THEN SES-16 might progress directly through its launch campaign as soon as SLC-40 is cleared for another launch, launching before the Falcon Heavy Demo.

There's my deduction chain.  Any flaws?

In light of the above I can see the FH demo flight dropping into February.
In theory with AFTS and no need to fully reconfigure as is the case for a switch to a ULA launcher, they could both launch same day.

Good point re: hardware and the range.

What about SpaceX personnel?  Are there enough trained staff, at this juncture, to execute two simultaneous, but staggered, countdowns at launch complexes several miles apart?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Star One on 01/07/2018 09:45 PM
Is this pretty certain now to fly before the FH demo flight?
Expanding on your thought...

The Falcon Heavy Demo launch from LC-39A is, in essence, now NET simultaneous with the SES-16 launch from SLC-40.

Apparently, "we" don't know if the satellite has even been delivered to the launch site yet?  Would O/ATK or SES announce a successful delivery?  Or does Luxembourg want as little publicity as possible?

That appears to be a (the?) critical piece of missing information.

My non-expert opinion:
SES is a paying customer (vs. FH demo which is a test flight with no customer payload aboard).  A delay of a few days beyond NET Jan. 29 won't matter much in the "big picture" (How the Solar System Was Won).  SES-16 would be given priority in a parallel launch campaigns situation.

So IF the satellite has been delivered and is already being processed for launch;

AND IF Zuma launches tonight, as scheduled;

THEN SES-16 might progress directly through its launch campaign as soon as SLC-40 is cleared for another launch, launching before the Falcon Heavy Demo.

There's my deduction chain.  Any flaws?

In light of the above I can see the FH demo flight dropping into February.
In theory with AFTS and no need to fully reconfigure as is the case for a switch to a ULA launcher, they could both launch same day.

Good point re: hardware and the range.

What about SpaceX personnel?  Are there enough trained staff, at this juncture, to execute two simultaneous, but staggered, countdowns at launch complexes several miles apart?

Hasn’t it been said elsewhere this is not something the company would require of its staff. Especially if thought for a demo flight.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: kdhilliard on 01/07/2018 10:05 PM
In theory with AFTS and no need to fully reconfigure as is the case for a switch to a ULA launcher, they could both launch same day.
AFTS might allow two in one day, but ASDS won't.  Both launches are scheduled for at-sea booster landing, aren't they?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: pb2000 on 01/07/2018 10:19 PM
In theory with AFTS and no need to fully reconfigure as is the case for a switch to a ULA launcher, they could both launch same day.
AFTS might allow two in one day, but ASDS won't.  Both launches are scheduled for at-sea booster landing, aren't they?
Depnds on what booster it ends up with. They'll want the center core of FH back for examination, but if SES/GovSat ends up with a block 3, SpaceX may not want it back and ditch it.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/07/2018 11:24 PM
Seeking confirmation re: ASDS.  There is currently one each per coast/range, correct?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: Jarnis on 01/08/2018 12:57 AM
Seeking confirmation re: ASDS.  There is currently one each per coast/range, correct?

Yes.

Also note that all FH dates are very notional until they have a good static fire in the books. Not a given that it'll all work out on the first try, considering it is a new vehicle.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/08/2018 01:07 AM
Seeking confirmation re: ASDS.  There is currently one each per coast/range, correct?
Keep in mind that SpaceX may grow the ASDS fleet to increase its launch rate from Florida. This launch will probably play roulette with FH for a launch slot unless they ditch GS-1's booster.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: speedevil on 01/08/2018 05:49 AM
AFTS might allow two in one day, but ASDS won't.  Both launches are scheduled for at-sea booster landing, aren't they?
Depnds on what booster it ends up with. They'll want the center core of FH back for examination, but if SES/GovSat ends up with a block 3, SpaceX may not want it back and ditch it.

If they really would like it back, I wonder if they think with the recent good aiming they've seen, if the probability of missing by more than a handful of meters is >50%.
Because if it's not, landing two on one ASDS is sort-of-possible.

(assuming the trajectories match so the ASDS can be in one place)

Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/08/2018 08:09 PM
No update thread so will post this here... Govsat may potentially launch before FH according to SpaceX PAO-

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmericaSpace/status/950464308017811457
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Post by: envy887 on 01/08/2018 08:34 PM
No update thread so will post this here... Govsat may potentially launch before FH according to SpaceX PAO-

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmericaSpace/status/950464308017811457

That would not be surprising, since FH still has a lot of test milestones to complete before it can launch and they are tentatively scheduled within 1 day of each other.
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/11/2018 08:37 AM
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GovSat-1 telecom sat owned by @SES_Satellites /Lux govt JV GovSat, built by @OrbitalATK, arrives at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station for planned Jan 30 @SpaceX Falcon 9 launch.

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/951363834576502784
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Post by: FutureSpaceTourist on 01/11/2018 12:53 PM
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GovSat-1 Arrives at Cape Canaveral for SpaceX Launch
11/01/2018
GovSat’s first satellite GovSat-1 will offer highly secure capabilities for governments and institutions
 
Luxembourg, 11 January 2018 – The GovSat-1 spacecraft has arrived at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida. GovSat-1 is the first satellite of GovSat, which is a brand operated by a joint venture between the Government of Luxembourg and the world-leading satellite operator SES. It is scheduled for launch at the end of this month on board a SpaceX flight-proven Falcon 9 rocket.

The multi-mission satellite was built by Orbital ATK and is designed for the exclusive use of governments and institutions. Located at the 21.5 degrees East orbital slot, GovSat-1 will serve Europe, the Middle East and Africa, including substantial maritime coverage over the Mediterranean and Baltic seas, and the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.

Patrick Biewer, CEO of GovSat, said, “We are committed to our mission of providing secure satellite communication services for governments and institutions. GovSat-1, with its highly flexible payload featuring advanced encryption and anti-jamming capabilities, will further secure the connectivity for our users’ applications. We are incredibly excited about the upcoming launch of this satellite.”

https://www.govsat.lu/news/govsat-1-arrivesat-cape-canaveral-for-spacex-launch (https://www.govsat.lu/news/govsat-1-arrivesat-cape-canaveral-for-spacex-launch)
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Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 01/11/2018 06:23 PM
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State-owned Antonov, Ukraine's only aircraft manufacturer, has applied to U.S. Department of Transportation for an emergency exemption to operate a single one-way all-cargo charter flight by An-124-100 Ruslan transporting outsized rocket hardware manufactured by Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX).
https://economics.unian.info/2340258-ukraines-antonov-applies-for-us-permit-to-haul-spacexs-cargo.html

The article later states that two fairing halves are the cargo.
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Post by: gongora on 01/11/2018 06:27 PM
And looks like the An-124 is on its way to LAX:

https://www.flightradar24.com/ADB251F/1018f832

That plane already flew from LAX to Titusville today.

edit:  See posts in SpaceX General Discussion starting here (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41018.msg1770329#msg1770329).
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Post by: MazenHesham on 01/12/2018 10:16 AM
The mystery is finally solved - B1032 (NROL-76) booster will be launching this satellite.
https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/01/11/after-zuma-spacex-keeps-pace-in-preps-for-next-falcon-9-launch/
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/12/2018 12:44 PM
I thought B1032 was mothballed after NROL-76.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 01/12/2018 02:52 PM
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GovSat-1 Arrives at Cape Canaveral for SpaceX Launch
11/01/2018
GovSat’s first satellite GovSat-1 will offer highly secure capabilities for governments and institutions
 
Luxembourg, 11 January 2018 – The GovSat-1 spacecraft has arrived at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida. GovSat-1 is the first satellite of GovSat, which is a brand operated by a joint venture between the Government of Luxembourg and the world-leading satellite operator SES. It is scheduled for launch at the end of this month on board a SpaceX flight-proven Falcon 9 rocket.

The multi-mission satellite was built by Orbital ATK and is designed for the exclusive use of governments and institutions. Located at the 21.5 degrees East orbital slot, GovSat-1 will serve Europe, the Middle East and Africa, including substantial maritime coverage over the Mediterranean and Baltic seas, and the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.

Patrick Biewer, CEO of GovSat, said, “We are committed to our mission of providing secure satellite communication services for governments and institutions. GovSat-1, with its highly flexible payload featuring advanced encryption and anti-jamming capabilities, will further secure the connectivity for our users’ applications. We are incredibly excited about the upcoming launch of this satellite.”

https://www.govsat.lu/news/govsat-1-arrivesat-cape-canaveral-for-spacex-launch (https://www.govsat.lu/news/govsat-1-arrivesat-cape-canaveral-for-spacex-launch)
I just wonder why there's a female humanoid robot standing on top of it with her hands on her hips...
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: Jakusb on 01/12/2018 03:53 PM
I thought B1032 was mothballed after NROL-76.

There was no real logic to it, other then it being stored out in the open.
It was one of the first cores to be stored outside. Hence the conclusion then.
Given it had a real easy profile, it should be perfect for re-use and next in line.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: old_sellsword on 01/12/2018 04:50 PM
I thought B1032 was mothballed after NROL-76.

I assume you’re talking about the picture of the two cores behind Hangar M from last August?

Those were actually 1029 and 1021. We haven’t seen 1032 since it landed at LZ-1.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/12/2018 06:07 PM
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/falcon9ft.html

The reason why I believed B1032 to be mothballed was because in the Falcon 9 Stage Serial Number Log, Ed Kyle listed that the core was mothballed following touchdown.

However, I am aware that it WILL change within this month.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/12/2018 07:46 PM
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/falcon9ft.html

The reason why I believed B1032 to be mothballed was because in the Falcon 9 Stage Serial Number Log, Ed Kyle listed that the core was mothballed following touchdown.

However, I am aware that it WILL change within this month.
No. It is because the Core was stored outside instead of in a hanger like normal.
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: old_sellsword on 01/12/2018 08:01 PM
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/falcon9ft.html

The reason why I believed B1032 to be mothballed was because in the Falcon 9 Stage Serial Number Log, Ed Kyle listed that the core was mothballed following touchdown.

However, I am aware that it WILL change within this month.
No. It is because the Core was stored outside instead of in a hanger like normal.

Where was it stored?
Title: Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : GovSat-1 (SES-16) : NET Jan 30. 2018 - Discussion
Post by: russianhalo117 on 01/12/2018 08:21 PM
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/falcon9ft.html

The reason why I believed B1032 to be mothballed was because in the Falcon 9 Stage Serial Number Log, Ed Kyle listed that the core was mothballed following touchdown.

However, I am aware that it WILL change within this month.
No. It is because the Core was stored outside instead of in a hanger like normal.

Where was it stored?
Mainly at Hanger AM.