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Title: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 11/12/2013 04:40 PM
I was told by a VERY reliable source that the launch of Soyuz-2.1v is scheduled on 12th December.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2013 08:15 AM
Are the payloads at the cosmodrome already? What tests needs to be done before launch?
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: Prober on 11/25/2013 04:24 PM
time to bump this as it's not far off.

Any news, pics etc ?
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/27/2013 09:37 AM
Does this means (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=189) that it is still on track for launch on Dec. 12?
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 11/27/2013 04:22 PM
Does this means (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=189) that it is still on track for launch on Dec. 12?
yes date has not changed at this time.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: asmi on 12/04/2013 02:58 PM
As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: a_langwich on 12/05/2013 01:43 PM
I've gotten fuzzy on the details again, or exactly what changes have happened...is this launch powered by a refurbished NK-33 engine?  Or is the first stage already using an RD-193?

And are they really trying to call it the Soyuz-1?  Seems like that would be hard to pull off since it follows -2.1a, -2.1b.  Maybe they should tack on digits, and make it the -2.1.3a.  :)

Or take a page from Apple, and just call it "Soyuz" and let the poor confused masses struggle to come up with identification schemes, like "2013 edition" or codename "Kuznetsov's Revenge" or "Uni-Core."
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/05/2013 01:50 PM
It uses refurbished NK-33.

The name of this launcher is Soyuz-2.1v. "V" is the third letter in Cyrillic alphabet, so it is quite logical since this launcher is the thirs version of the Soyuz-2.1.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Prober on 12/05/2013 01:52 PM
I've gotten fuzzy on the details again, or exactly what changes have happened...is this launch powered by a refurbished NK-33 engine?  Or is the first stage already using an RD-193?

And are they really trying to call it the Soyuz-1?  Seems like that would be hard to pull off since it follows -2.1a, -2.1b.  Maybe they should tack on digits, and make it the -2.1.3a.  :)

Or take a page from Apple, and just call it "Soyuz" and let the poor confused masses struggle to come up with identification schemes, like "2013 edition" or codename "Kuznetsov's Revenge" or "Uni-Core."

this thread will help with the history a bit:  http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16617.0
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/06/2013 05:40 PM
So this is the launch configuration of the three payloads.... http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1168098/#message1168098 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1168098/#message1168098)

Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/06/2013 06:26 PM
So this is the launch configuration of the three payloads....

Yes, if you speak about the scheme at the right of the picture ! :-)
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: asmi on 12/06/2013 11:20 PM
As per NK forum, "Volga" upper stage is being fueled. Looks like it's actually going to fly :)
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/16/2013 10:48 AM
As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.

Surprisingly quiet with just a week to go from Dec. 23......is the rocket still scheduled to roll out tomorrow?  ???
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 12, 2013
Post by: Prober on 12/16/2013 03:06 PM
As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.

Surprisingly quiet with just a week to go from Dec. 23......is the rocket still scheduled to roll out tomorrow?  ???

Hope the Russian government will open up the videos on this launch.   Many of us have interest in it.  ;)
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: anik on 12/17/2013 04:44 PM
Rollout will be tomorrow. (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1173576/#message1173576)
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/18/2013 07:26 AM
On the launch Pad:

http://ria.ru/space/20131218/984844981.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131218/984844981.html)
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/18/2013 09:47 AM
What's the planned target orbit? SSO?
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: ostangen on 12/18/2013 01:18 PM
Found this on the NK forum site.

According to : http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx

It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: anik on 12/18/2013 03:41 PM
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination

It is an orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/18/2013 04:23 PM
RUS LINK: http://samspace.ru/news/press_relizy/4217/ (http://samspace.ru/news/press_relizy/4217/)

ПОДРОБНО
Принято решение о проведении II этапа КИ с РКН «Союз-2-1в» на стартовый комплекс
18 декабря 2013

17 декабря 2013 года состоялось заседание Государственной комиссии о проведении II этапа КИ с РКН «Союз-2-1в» производства ГНПРКЦ «ЦСКБ-Прогресс» на стартовом комплексе.

На заседании были рассмотрены результаты испытаний на техническом комплексе ракеты космического назначения (РКН) «Союз-2-1в» с блоком выведения «Волга», предназначенной для выведения на орбиту малого космического аппарата «Аист» и калибровочных сфер.

Заслушав доклады руководителей работ, Государственная комиссия приняла решение о готовности РКН «Союз-2-1в» к вывозу на стартовый комплекс.

Для справки:

Двухступенчатая ракета-носитель легкого класса «Союз-2-1в» и блок выведения «Волга» разрабатываются и производятся в Центре «ЦСКБ-Прогресс» (г. Самара).

Новая ракета сможет обеспечивать выведение полезной нагрузки массой до 2,8 тонн на низкую околоземную орбиту, а с использованием БВ «Волга» – до 1,4 тонн на солнечно-синхронную орбиту. В запуске задействована большая кооперация российских промышленных предприятий и комплекс технических средств, расположенный на территории РФ.

Пусковая кампания РН с БВ «Волга» запланирована на 23 декабря 2013 года. Новый носитель выведет на орбиту калибровочные сферы и опытный образец малого космического аппарата «Аист», совместный проект ракетно-космического Центра и Самарского государственного аэрокосмического университета. Также лётные испытания включают в себя целый комплекс отработки всей системы эксплуатации: вопросы метрологии, экологической безопасности, электромагнитной совместимости систем РН, отработки эксплуатационной документации и др.

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En détail
Décidé de procéder à la phase II des essais avec ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" sur rampe de lancement
18 décembre 2013

17 décembre 2013 une réunion de la Commission d'État sur les essais cliniques de phase II avec ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" SRP de production "Samara Space Center" à l'ensemble de lancement.

La réunion a examiné les résultats des tests sur les missiles de l'installation de traitement (ILV) "Soyouz-2-1v" avec l'enlèvement de bloc "Volga", destinée à lancer en orbite un petit vaisseau spatial "Cigogne" et de mesurer les champs.

Après avoir entendu les rapports des superviseurs, la Commission d'État a décidé de préparation ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" à l'exportation vers la rampe de lancement.

Pour référence:

La fusée à deux étages de la classe lumière "Soyouz-2-1v" et le retrait du bloc «Volga» sont conçus et fabriqués dans le centre "TsSKB Progress» (Samara).

Le nouveau missile sera en mesure de fournir l'excrétion charge pesant jusqu'à 2,8 tonnes en orbite basse de la Terre, et en utilisant maladie de von Willebrand "Volga" - jusqu'à 1,4 tonnes de orbite héliosynchrone. Lors de son lancement en cause une grande coopération industrielle russe et complexe de matériel, situé sur le territoire de la Fédération de Russie.

Lanceur campagne RN avec BV «Volga» est prévue pour le 23 Décembre 2013. Le nouveau transporteur mettra en orbite sphère d'étalonnage et des prototypes de petits satellites "Cigogne", un projet conjoint de Rocket and Space Center et l'Université aérospatiale d'État de Samara. Les essais en vol comprennent également une exploitation minière complexe de l'ensemble du système: problèmes de métrologie, sécurité de l'environnement, la compatibilité électromagnétique de RN, la documentation opérationnelle de l'exploitation minière, etc

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DETAIL
Decided to conduct phase II trials with ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" on launch pad
18 December 2013

December 17, 2013 a meeting of the State Commission on phase II clinical trials with ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" production SRP "Samara Space Center" at the launch complex.

The meeting discussed the results of the tests at the processing facility missiles (ILV) "Soyuz-2-1v" with block removal "Volga", intended for launching into orbit a small spacecraft "Stork" and gauge fields.

After hearing reports of supervisors, the State Commission decided readiness ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" for export to the launch pad.

For reference:

The two-stage rocket of light class "Soyuz-2-1v" and block removal "Volga" are designed and manufactured in the Center "TsSKB Progress" (Samara).

The new missile will be able to provide excretion payload weighing up to 2.8 tonnes into low Earth orbit, and using VWD "Volga" - up to 1.4 tonnes of sun-synchronous orbit. At launch involved a large Russian industrial cooperation and hardware complex, located on the territory of the Russian Federation.

Launcher campaign RN with BV "Volga" is scheduled for December 23, 2013. The new carrier will orbit calibration sphere and prototype small spacecraft "Stork", a joint project of Rocket and Space Center and Samara State Aerospace University. Flight tests also include a complex mining operation of the entire system: metrology issues, environmental safety, electromagnetic compatibility of RN, mining operational documentation, etc.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/18/2013 04:46 PM
Some informations received today :

Soyuz-2-1V tests on launch pad were successfully performed today. They will
be continued tomorrow. There will be test fuelling of Soyuz-2-1V tanks by
liquid oxygen on Saturday. The launch is planned at 12:30 UTC on December
23rd.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: zaitcev on 12/18/2013 06:02 PM
Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: Prober on 12/18/2013 06:12 PM
Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.

Yes, very bad......This should be a moment of "pride" for Russian Space.

Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/18/2013 08:19 PM
Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.
yeah I received an email reply from an email I sent on Monday to samspace.ru saying only approved media can request pictures and video only after a successful launch has occurred.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: ostangen on 12/19/2013 05:26 AM
May this be Notam for this launch?

V8170/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 23 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 19 DEC 05:26 2013

DANGER AREAS ULD1
701300N 0450000E – 700000N 0474000E 690000N 0442000E – 701300N 0450000E
– 684000N 0462000E

ULD2
732000N 0500000E – 725000N 0520000E 714000N 0470000E – 732000N 0500000E
– 711000N 0492000E – UNL GND


Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/19/2013 04:40 PM
May this be Notam for this launch?

V8170/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 23 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 19 DEC 05:26 2013

DANGER AREAS ULD1
701300N 0450000E – 700000N 0474000E 690000N 0442000E – 701300N 0450000E
– 684000N 0462000E

ULD2
732000N 0500000E – 725000N 0520000E 714000N 0470000E – 732000N 0500000E
– 711000N 0492000E – UNL GND
I think that it may cover both of the following Russian Launches from Plesetsk Cosmodrome as the start date and end date cover both launches:
December 23 2013 – two calibration spheres SKRL-756, Aist No. 1 – Soyuz-2-1V/Volga – Plesetsk 43/4
December 25 2013 – Rodnik satellites (x3) – Rokot/Briz-KM – Plesetsk 133/3
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/19/2013 08:51 PM
Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/20/2013 02:16 AM
Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2

So it seems the target orbit is not SSO, but something 70-85 deg. inclination-ish?
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/20/2013 02:46 AM
Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2

So it seems the target orbit is not SSO, but something 70-85 deg. inclination-ish?
According to: http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx

It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination, which is same as orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1V launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Danderman on 12/20/2013 03:28 AM

According to: http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx

It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination, which is same as orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.

Found this on the NK forum site.

According to : http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx

It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination

It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination

It is an orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/20/2013 01:07 PM
I've just been told that they have problems during launch preparation, but the launch is still scheduled for 23rd December.

No more informations right now, sorry.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/21/2013 08:44 AM
Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart....  ::)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: patchfree on 12/22/2013 09:45 AM
See the Zak site: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_aist.html
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/22/2013 12:21 PM
Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart....  ::)

Well they used to do that all the time during Soviet times, so shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: First Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 23, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/22/2013 12:26 PM
Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart....  ::)

Or is that December 24? http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1176024/#message1176024 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1176024/#message1176024)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/22/2013 04:05 PM
New launch date December 24 confirmed

Quote
V8247/13 -  DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 24 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 11:01 2013
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/22/2013 04:20 PM
Wonder if this NOTAM for "space debris" over South Pacific later on December 24 is related to this launch
Quote
B5916/13 -  TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 24 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 24 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 12:11 2013
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: edkyle99 on 12/22/2013 06:35 PM
I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system.  It surely isn't an R-7.  It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: anik on 12/22/2013 06:44 PM
http://www.interfax.ru/news/348266

The launch is postponed to December 24th.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: jcm on 12/23/2013 02:15 AM
I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system.  It surely isn't an R-7.  It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".

 - Ed Kyle

I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: edkyle99 on 12/23/2013 02:39 AM
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
Good point about Atlas III.  That may be the proper analogy.  In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 12/23/2013 04:32 AM
Good point about Atlas III.  That may be the proper analogy.  In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.

That's like saying all aircraft that use the same runway are Boeing 7x7s! :-) The 2.1v core is quite different from the R-7 core (aside from the attach points), so along with the "new" engine, I consider it to be a new launch vehicle as well.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Stan Black on 12/23/2013 06:26 AM
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
Good point about Atlas III.  That may be the proper analogy.  In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.

 - Ed Kyle

Thor changed shape and engines, and electronics?

And TsSKB Progress state 80% commonality with the central blok-A; see L2 (thanks to Mr. Pillet).

Should these discussions be in the generic Soyuz-2-1V thread?
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Skyrocket on 12/23/2013 08:51 AM
I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system.  It surely isn't an R-7.  It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".

 - Ed Kyle

I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.


I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/23/2013 10:04 AM
I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system.  It surely isn't an R-7.  It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".

 - Ed Kyle

I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.


I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.

And do you consider Ariane 5 to be an Ariane rocket ? :-)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Skyrocket on 12/23/2013 11:15 AM
I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system.  It surely isn't an R-7.  It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".

 - Ed Kyle

I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A.  I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.


I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.

And do you consider Ariane 5 to be an Ariane rocket ? :-)

Ariane is a different case, as the Ariane-5 rocket (as built) has practically nothing in common with the Ariane-1 to-4 series. Therfore i classify these as two families.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/23/2013 11:30 AM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: edkyle99 on 12/23/2013 03:13 PM
Only the upper, LOX tank portion of the first stage existed before Soyuz 2-1v development began, FWIW.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: anik on 12/23/2013 03:30 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/23/2013 04:38 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

Best quote I have seen this month!  ;D

I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Stan Black on 12/23/2013 05:08 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

Best quote I have seen this month!  ;D

I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)

The rocket itself is not so top secret; plenty of evidence exists from Russian Government and TsSKB-Progress procurements, NOTAMS… So then the payload, does it reflect the shape and size of a future Russian Military satellite?
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/23/2013 05:23 PM
I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)

STARSEM has nothing to do with Soyuz-2.1v.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Prober on 12/23/2013 06:06 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

Sorry to hear the Russian thinking is going back to 1950's-1970's thinking.   Note to Russian military these type of secrets are no longer possible in the internet age.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/23/2013 07:59 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

So no tweetup event? ;)

Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Stan Black on 12/23/2013 08:07 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

So no tweetup event? ;)

Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).

The performance of the Volga upperstage is also important; part of future satellites?
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Prober on 12/23/2013 08:11 PM
This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?

It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.

So no tweetup event? ;)

Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).
only a limited party thread for this new launcher  :D
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/23/2013 10:16 PM
Ok, I've used a lot of a 2012 preview written for NSF by Nathaniel Downes and added a bit more. I know we have a lot of experts on here, so any updated changes can be PMed to me if required.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/12/russia-debut-soyuz-2-1v-plesetsk/
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/24/2013 01:47 AM
According to Vlad (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1177653/#message1177653), the launch is planned at 14:00 UTC on December 24.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/24/2013 04:29 AM
Here's a Russian news report about the upcoming launch today, with the rocket on the launch pad: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563694 (http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563694)

Interestingly it claims a launch time of 10:30 UTC...... seeing that the NOTAMs that are still in effect are of the 12:00-13:00 UTC time range, I think the correct launch time is still 12:30 UTC.

Oh and the air space closures seems to indicate a target orbit inclination of 82 degrees.....  ::)

Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/24/2013 06:06 AM
I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.

People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 24, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/24/2013 06:58 AM
I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.

People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.

Hmm that means two launches in 12 hours on Christmas Day from Plesetsk!  ;)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/24/2013 07:09 AM
New launch date to be confirmed this afternoonn
http://www.interfax.ru/news/?dt=24.12.2013
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - NET December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/24/2013 10:35 AM
WOW  :o 8)

Source - http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/13461-novaya-raketa-na-starte
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - NET December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/24/2013 10:43 AM
The one day slip is due to LOX leakage on the ground side: http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633  (http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - NET December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/24/2013 11:04 AM
I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.

People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.

Hmm that means two launches in 12 hours on Christmas Day from Plesetsk!  ;)

A bit inconsiderate for my Christmas Day plans! ;)

Nearly missed the slip, so if it moves again, if someone can PM me, that'd be appreciated!
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/24/2013 02:16 PM
If tests are positive, launch will take place to-morrow at 1230UTC
http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/24/2013 03:00 PM
Wonder if this NOTAM for "space debris" over South Pacific later on December 24 is related to this launch
Quote
B5916/13 -  TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 24 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 24 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 12:11 2013

Does seem related to this launch; it's just been updated
Quote
B5947/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 25 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 25 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 24 DEC 15:11 2013
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/24/2013 04:00 PM
If tests are positive, launch will take place to-morrow at 1230UTC
http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html

Launch time confirmed by Russian MoD spokesperson: http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Danderman on 12/24/2013 04:04 PM
The one day slip is due to LOX leakage on the ground side: http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633  (http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633)

The NK-33 engine has waited 40 years for launch, it can wait one more day.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/24/2013 05:18 PM
How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?

It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: Danderman on 12/24/2013 05:42 PM
How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?

It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?

It can't be much more than 135 tons or so.
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/24/2013 05:50 PM
Well I've found it  ;) Its 160 tons as per http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_development.html (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_development.html)


While Antares is ~240 tons as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares_(rocket) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares_(rocket))

So it makes sense now.  :)
Title: Re: Aist, 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1230UTC)
Post by: edkyle99 on 12/24/2013 05:59 PM
How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?

It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?
The Soyuz 2-1v first stage looks to be roughly the same length as the Antares first stage, but is only 2.66/2.95 meters diameter compared to 3.9 meter diameter Antares.  Also, the single NK-33A engine thrust is substantially augmented by the thrust produced by the four-nozzle steering engine, so it is not a 50% less thrust situation.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
Post by: Jason1701 on 12/24/2013 07:50 PM
Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
Post by: Danderman on 12/24/2013 07:53 PM
Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?

The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
Post by: a_langwich on 12/24/2013 09:58 PM
Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?

The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.


As I understand it, engine gimbal and electronics are the special sauce Aerojet adds to make an AJ-26 out of an NK-33.  So, yes.  :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
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Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/25/2013 06:17 AM
""Given the positive results of pad tests and favorable weather conditions launch is possible on December 25 at 16 hours and 30 minutes,"

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348760 (http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348760)"
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - December 25, 2013 (ETD 12:30 UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/25/2013 07:40 AM
Launch slightly delayed. It will happen today at 14:00 UTC.

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348803
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1400UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/25/2013 09:58 AM
Updated NOTAM
Quote
V8353/13 -  DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1600, 25 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 25 DEC 10:06 2013

and tentatively for Volga
Quote
B5949/13 -  TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 25 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 26 DEC 01:30 2013. CREATED: 25 DEC 09:57 2013
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1400UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/25/2013 01:02 PM
I've been told two minutes ago that the launch is delayed again.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1400UTC)
Post by: Lanista on 12/25/2013 01:08 PM
Delayed till next year.
http://ria.ru/space/20131225/986436066.html
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: input~2 on 12/25/2013 01:27 PM
The decision to interrupt the launch sequence was taken just 10 minutes before the planned launch time
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348922
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - December 25, 2013 (ETD 1400UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/25/2013 04:41 PM
Delayed till next year.
http://ria.ru/space/20131225/986436066.html

 >:(


So what's the latest news? Would they reattempt in January or would the rocket be shipped back to Samara?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch - December 25, 2013 (12:30 UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/25/2013 04:42 PM
Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?

The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.

Then how was the N1 supposed to maneuver?  ???
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: Lars_J on 12/25/2013 04:56 PM
Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?

The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.

Then how was the N1 supposed to maneuver?  ???

Differential throttling, presumably. (Although the N1 never flew with NK-33)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: Artyom. on 12/26/2013 03:41 AM
It is a pity  :( :'( ...
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: anik on 12/26/2013 07:43 AM
The decision will be made today at 12:00 UTC about launch this year (27-28, 12:00) or a postponing to next year.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: Jester on 12/26/2013 07:51 AM
Thanks Anik, any news on the issue of yesterday ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - 2014
Post by: anik on 12/26/2013 07:58 AM
As per NK forum, the problem was with pneumatic-hydraulic system of Rocket minutes before launch.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - TBD
Post by: Jester on 12/26/2013 08:11 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - TBD
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/26/2013 09:47 AM
According to my informations, launch scrub was due to failure of a valve in engine NK-33A. Probably the valve was frozen due to propellant drain.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2-1v launch with AIST - TBD
Post by: Jester on 12/26/2013 11:28 AM
Thanks Nicolas, any news on the launch decision ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - TBD
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/26/2013 01:28 PM
Seems to be GO for launch tomorrow! (launch time not yet known) http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic12873/?PAGEN_1=24 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic12873/?PAGEN_1=24)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/26/2013 02:17 PM
New launch attempt confirmed for tomorrow at 12:30 UTC! (back-up time 14:00 UTC)

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/26/2013 03:06 PM
This is all over the place. Can someone make sure they send me a message when these dates change!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/26/2013 03:12 PM
New launch attempt confirmed for tomorrow at 12:30 UTC! (back-up time 14:00 UTC)

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016
Excellent! We'll be waiting  :) !
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/26/2013 03:33 PM
Oops... http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179044/#message1179044

The information is incorrect  :-\...
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/26/2013 03:42 PM
The launch will not take place tomorrow  :(.

"100% correct information"

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179050/#message1179050
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/26/2013 03:47 PM
Well, NOTAMs are in place for tentative launch date December 27 or December 28..
Quote

V8389/13 -  FLW DANGER AREAS ACT:  ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 27 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 11:41 2013
V8406/13 -  FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 28 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 28 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 15:31 2013
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Phillip Clark on 12/26/2013 03:51 PM
Don't you long for the old Soviet era when you got only one announcement which was either definitively right or definitively wrong, rather than lots of contradictory reports? ;-)

Merry Christmas and put your feet up Chris!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/26/2013 04:02 PM
Well, NOTAMs are in place for tentative launch date December 27 or December 28..
Quote

V8389/13 -  FLW DANGER AREAS ACT:  ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 27 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 11:41 2013
V8406/13 -  FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 28 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 28 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 15:31 2013

Indeed it seems that the next launch attempt is on Dec. 28! http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179061/#message1179061 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179061/#message1179061)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/26/2013 04:20 PM
Heh! Saturday then! Changed the thread title.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 27 2013 (TBC)
Post by: asmi on 12/26/2013 04:23 PM
Don't you long for the old Soviet era when you got only one announcement which was either definitively right or definitively wrong, rather than lots of contradictory reports? ;-)

Merry Christmas and put your feet up Chris!
From reading NK, it looks like this whole project is being done by young generation of designers who didn't have much in a way of experience, so they're learning in the process. In that case, it's totally expected that there will be delays, verifications and another verifications after first ones.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Lars_J on 12/26/2013 11:23 PM
Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays?  ;)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: Danderman on 12/26/2013 11:28 PM
Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays?  ;)

The holidays begin January 1 in Russia.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: QuantumG on 12/26/2013 11:32 PM
Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays?  ;)

Didn't hear anyone complaining about the spacewalk on Christmas either.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/27/2013 07:44 AM
Quote
V8416/13 -  FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0700-1500, 28 DEC 07:00 2013 UNTIL 29 DEC 15:00 2013. CREATED: 27 DEC 06:50 2013

Volga debris?
Quote
B5957/13 -  TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 28 DEC 15:00 2013 UNTIL 29 DEC 00:30 2013. CREATED: 27 DEC 04:24 2013
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (TBC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/27/2013 07:53 AM
"According to preliminary plans, launch scheduled for Saturday"
source (http://kommersant.ru/doc/2377914): federal space agency
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013
Post by: Jester on 12/27/2013 01:14 PM
Getting close to launch, any updates ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013
Post by: Artyom. on 12/27/2013 02:12 PM
The launch is planned at 10:00 UTC on December 28.

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179502/#message1179502
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013
Post by: Jester on 12/27/2013 02:23 PM
Thanks for the update
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/27/2013 03:28 PM
Video about preparation :

http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563751

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013
Post by: Prober on 12/27/2013 03:42 PM
now we are talking ...
a few quick screen grabs.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 05:46 AM
Launch expected to-day "in the afternoon" (LT)
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349428
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: chewi on 12/28/2013 06:25 AM
The state commission approved the launch at UTC10:00 today.
http://ria.ru/space/20131228/986988735.html
http://www.federalspace.ru/20089/

Fueling started.
 
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 08:43 AM
I am told that everything is normal for now. Launch within 20 minutes.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 08:57 AM
Launch delayed.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/28/2013 09:01 AM
Launch delayed.

Any calls of a recycling for another attempt today?

This must be the Russian launch with the most scrubs since the first orbital Soyuz-2 (MetOp-A)....  ::)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/28/2013 09:08 AM
Launch delayed.

Any calls of a recycling for another attempt today?

This must be the Russian launch with the most scrubs since the first orbital Soyuz-2 (MetOp-A)....  ::)

Apparently if the crew decided to de-tank then this rocket would need to be sent back to the factory for refurbishment - ironic since this rocket was once originally slated to be the second one to fly....

(and back in 2006 the one used in the MetOp-A launch very nearly requires such refurbishment due to repeat scrubs)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 09:12 AM
New attempt at 18:00 local time.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 09:13 AM
Launch delayed is confirmed  :( ...  Delayed till next year.

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 09:13 AM
"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 09:15 AM
New attempt at 18:00 local time.
Oh, thanks Nicolas  :) !
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 09:15 AM
"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454


My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/28/2013 09:19 AM
"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454


My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).

Looks like there's pressure from Moscow to launch it this year.

I fear the worse!  :(
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 09:34 AM
The launch is postponed to next year...

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349457
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179950/#message1179950
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 09:38 AM
"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454


My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).

That's 18:00 local, 14:00 UTC, yes?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 (ETD 1000UTC)
Post by: Jester on 12/28/2013 09:40 AM
Lets wait, one source has 18:00 local, one says next year :)

P.S
On the Metop-A, I was part of the launch team, you should have seen the board at the hotel for the duty schedule.... 6 attempts if I remember right.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - NET December 28 2013 1400UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 11:03 AM
Next attempt at 12:30 UTC (within 30 minutes) !

Everything is normal, now.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - NET December 28 2013 1400UTC
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/28/2013 11:32 AM
So...did it get off the pad or not?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - NET December 28 2013 1400UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 11:32 AM
Next attempt at 12:30 UTC (within 30 minutes) !

Everything is normal, now.

Next thing we'll hear is it launched three weeks ago! ;)

So that's T-0 now..............let's see.....
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - NET December 28 2013 1400UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 11:32 AM
We have liftoff !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - NET December 28 2013 1400UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 11:38 AM
We have liftoff !!!!!!!!

YES!!

Great work Nicolas! Now hear of her being successful!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Jirka Dlouhy on 12/28/2013 11:44 AM
We have liftoff !!!!!!!!

Hello Nicolas,

please, where You take this information.

Thanks,

Jirka Dlouhy
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: anik on 12/28/2013 11:45 AM
please, where You takes this information

Rocket sends signals to him!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 11:47 AM
Do we know (apologies if it's posted) how long the mission is to S/C Sep? (I know it's a super secret launch, but worth asking to get to a "successful mission" point).
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 11:47 AM
Lift-off confirmed
http://www.interfax.ru/news/349470
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 11:49 AM
The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 11:50 AM
Time of lift-off confirmed : 1230 UTC
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863098
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 11:50 AM
Lift-off confirmed
http://www.interfax.ru/news/349470


Excellent google translation:

"a touch of class" :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 11:51 AM
The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.

Tremendous! A new LV is born!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 11:51 AM
The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.
Volga will soon after be deorbited and reenter over South Pacific (source: NOTAM)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 11:52 AM
1810th launch of a Soyuz-class rocket !

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lanceurs/soyouz/liste/liste.html
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Jirka Dlouhy on 12/28/2013 11:57 AM
RIA-Novosti confirmed it too.

http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987011525.html
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: asmi on 12/28/2013 12:06 PM
1810th launch of a Soyuz-class rocket !
Well technically this one is not of a Soyuz-class (Soyuz-class being medium-lift). it would be more apropriate to say it's from Soyuz-family.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 12:10 PM
Volga/rocket separation confirmed by Tass
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863061
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 12:21 PM
2nd stage to remain in orbit...
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174278&1174278 (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174278&1174278)

(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа"  ;D )
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: aga on 12/28/2013 12:27 PM
(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа"  ;D )

from my experience... microsoft (bing) translator usually gives better results than google translator
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 12:34 PM
(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа"  ;D )

from my experience... microsoft (bing) translator usually gives better results than google translator
Thanks!
Confirmed for this case!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 12:39 PM
Press release from Russian MoD
http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11883242@egNews
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: iluvdelta4 on 12/28/2013 12:55 PM
Any photos?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Jester on 12/28/2013 12:57 PM
Any photos?

Not yet, although several news organizations put out photo's of other launches and other rockets even....
 
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Lanista on 12/28/2013 01:15 PM
Aist sep.
launch successful
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 01:23 PM
AIST sep confirmed
http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987028015.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987028015.html)
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863220
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 01:28 PM
Spacecraft separation took place at 1410UTC
http://www.federalspace.ru/20090/
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: asmi on 12/28/2013 01:36 PM
Total success! Two different rockets powered by legendary NK-33's made its' way to space! That's the best present for the holidays' season for space geeks! 
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Lanista on 12/28/2013 01:40 PM
Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Chris Bergin on 12/28/2013 01:55 PM
Super news!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Jester on 12/28/2013 02:22 PM
Congratulations, nicely done !

and now

nazdarovya :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/28/2013 02:24 PM
First orbit parameters! (presumably from the transfer orbit before the circulation burn)

259 x 595 km x 82.43 deg. at epoch 14:34 UTC.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Dmitry_V_home on 12/28/2013 02:38 PM
Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!

Yes! :D
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 02:47 PM
My congratulations  8) !!! Hurrah!

Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!

Huh  :D ...
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Prober on 12/28/2013 02:54 PM
Congrats  ;)  and welcome to the NK-33 launcher club !
 
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 12/28/2013 03:00 PM
First orbit parameters! (presumably from the transfer orbit before the circulation burn)

259 x 595 km x 82.43 deg. at epoch 14:34 UTC.

This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Danderman on 12/28/2013 03:22 PM


This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

That would be the "second stage" for this LV.

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 12/28/2013 03:28 PM
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 12/28/2013 03:38 PM
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)

Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!

I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)

By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Star One on 12/28/2013 03:43 PM
Congratulations. When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 03:46 PM
By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Wonder if they will catalog Volga which is supposed to re-enter over the South Pacific within a few hours (if that did not already happen)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Lanista on 12/28/2013 03:49 PM
Congratulations. When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
Soon, somewhere here:
http://tvzvezda.ru/
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 03:50 PM
When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
Maybe on the Russian TV channel "Zvezda" - tvzvezda.ru  ;) .

upd

Soon, somewhere here:
http://tvzvezda.ru/ (http://tvzvezda.ru/)
Oh, yes :) .
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 12/28/2013 03:56 PM
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)

Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!

I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)

By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.

Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

Also refered to as 374БЛ04.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 04:14 PM
Launch photo (screenshot)  8)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/28/2013 04:14 PM
This Video only confirms the mission liftoff but no video of launch.
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 04:22 PM
More (HD screenshots) 8)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/28/2013 04:47 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 12/28/2013 04:51 PM
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)

Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!

I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)

By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.

Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

Also refered to as 374БЛ04.

Just re-checking this, it appears that 131КС is for the whole Soyuz-2-1V, whilst 132КС is for something called Союз-2-1ВУ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 12/28/2013 04:52 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Okay  :D .

It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"

Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348  ;) .
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/28/2013 04:57 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Okay  :D .

It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"

Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348  ;) .

Thanks bro!  ;D
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Jester on 12/28/2013 05:05 PM
Thx Artyom,

Just FYI
that "video" only has 2 photo's of the launch, no moving images...
(yeah i know, nitpick...)

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/28/2013 05:12 PM
More objects found - looks like the one I mentioned earlier (2013-078A/39490) is the rocket's 2nd stage...

2013-078B/39491: 595 x 625 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078C/39492: 598 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078D/39493: 599 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 05:14 PM
More launch pictures (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174416&cid=7 (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174416&cid=7))
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: InvalidAttitude on 12/28/2013 05:15 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Okay  :D .

It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"

Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348  ;) .

Same video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 05:21 PM
More objects found - looks like the one I mentioned earlier (2013-078A/39490) is the rocket's 2nd stage...

2013-078B/39491: 595 x 625 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078C/39492: 598 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078D/39493: 599 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.

and now also Object E
2013-078E/39494: 602 x 625 km x 82.42°
so they did catalog Volga?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Prober on 12/28/2013 05:41 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Okay  :D .

It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"

Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348  ;) .

Same video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845    this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds.  Good enough for now
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 12/28/2013 05:44 PM
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Prober on 12/28/2013 06:03 PM
Just saw the launch video (from the ground) on 24  My guess paid off  ;)

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/28/2013 06:10 PM

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845    this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds.  Good enough for now

Video about preparation :

http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563751

Please these two videos on youtube. vesti.ru doesn't work for me  :(
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/28/2013 06:26 PM
vesti.ru doesn't work for me  :(
Try Chrome
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Danderman on 12/28/2013 06:33 PM
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?

Yep.

After 50 years, they have re-invented the R-9. Edit: R-9 was an early ICBM with RD-111 as the first stage engine and RD-110 as the second stage engine, basically an analog of Titan I, which makes this Soyuz also an analog of Titan I.


BTW, it should be noted that the first stage engines are NK-33, not AJ-26. They come directly from Samara.

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/28/2013 06:41 PM
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?

Yep.

After 50 years, they have re-invented the R-9.

BTW, it should be noted that the first stage engines are NK-33, not AJ-26. They come directly from Samara.
NO they are NK-33A (Modernized NK-33 updated with 21st century Engine controller and other new 21st Century systems installed to complete the creation of modernized NK-33 which is realized into the world as NK-33A) which Comes via Samara.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Star One on 12/28/2013 06:42 PM
Reuters news report on this launch.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/28/us-russia-space-idUKBRE9BP02S20131228
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: SoheilEsy on 12/28/2013 07:06 PM
Congratulations to newborn ! :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Star One on 12/28/2013 08:50 PM
Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 12/28/2013 08:54 PM
Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.

Unless the Iranians or some other player launch one unexpectedly!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Lars_J on 12/28/2013 09:12 PM
Congratulations!

Btw, is this rocket meant to launch with 4 boosters as well in the future? I seem to recall seeing concept images of a heavy Soyuz launcher with the core powered by NK-33. It would be a neat evolution of the current Soyuz launcher to be able to launch with 0, 2, or 4 boosters depending on what performance is needed.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Damon Hill on 12/28/2013 09:21 PM
That would be the Soyuz 2.3 and Soyuz 3 variants.  Other notional plans included a cryogenic upper stage.   It's not clear if it will ever be developed or replaced with a totally new launch vehicle family.  I think the latter is more likely.

http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Prober on 12/28/2013 10:07 PM
That would be the Soyuz 2.3 and Soyuz 3 variants.  Other notional plans included a cryogenic upper stage.   It's not clear if it will ever be developed or replaced with a totally new launch vehicle family.  I think the latter is more likely.

http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html (http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html)
4  (four) RD-120.10F engines   might still be the next upgrade path (a good one).  They have serial production in the Ukraine.  Might be a good tradeoff for cash.
or a brand new RD-0155 engine (not much info available on this engine)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Salo on 12/28/2013 10:28 PM
Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video!  :)
Okay  :D .

It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"

Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348  ;) .

Same video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845    this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds.  Good enough for now
Something new :):
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: asmi on 12/28/2013 10:47 PM
Something new :):
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
Awesome! Finally we have a launch video!
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Lanista on 12/29/2013 03:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QokkEThzYSI
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 12/29/2013 06:59 AM
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.

Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :

- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)

It carries also an upper stage :

- Volga (14S46)

Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!

I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)

By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.

Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/

Also refered to as 374БЛ04.

Just re-checking this, it appears that 131КС is for the whole Soyuz-2-1V, whilst 132КС is for something called Союз-2-1ВУ?

132КС is the first stage:-
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1116649/#message1116649
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1133416/#message1133416

Also fairing is 98КС, which was based on 11С529, which was based on 11С516.


Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: SoheilEsy on 12/29/2013 07:41 AM
Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.

Unless the Iranians or some other player launch one unexpectedly!

Postponed to 2014 :(
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: pargoo on 12/29/2013 08:35 AM
     Some be-autiful pre-launch pics over on the NK forum :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Phillip Clark on 12/29/2013 10:54 AM
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Skyrocket on 12/29/2013 11:02 AM
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).

No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Phillip Clark on 12/29/2013 11:05 AM
This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.

You're right - I had completely forgotten about them.   Thank you.

(I think that this is my 1,000 posting here ........)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: owais.usmani on 12/29/2013 06:12 PM
New longer video fro TV Zvezda:

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312291302-35ic.htm (http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312291302-35ic.htm)

Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/29/2013 07:01 PM
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 12/30/2013 04:50 AM
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...

I was just about to post the same comment!  Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/30/2013 01:46 PM
Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...

I was just about to post the same comment!  Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
An insider on NK says that Volga re-entered over the Pacific Ocean
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1181342/#message1181342 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1181342/#message1181342)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: panzmead on 12/31/2013 06:42 PM
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 12/31/2013 07:23 PM
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/31/2013 07:30 PM
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: jcm on 01/01/2014 12:36 AM
The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".

Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.

Ah, interesting. Then that's a plausible explanation.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Artyom. on 01/02/2014 04:50 PM
Does anybody have this photo in high resolution ::) ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 01/08/2014 07:29 PM
Radar cross sections for the 5 in orbit objects have now been published:
Object A 10.316 m² (confirmed as 2nd stage)
Object B 0.634 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #1)
Object C 0.137 m² (my guess: Adaptor 188 KS)
Object D 0.2693 m² (my guess: AIST)
Object E 0.630 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #2)

(image source: TsSKB Progress)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Danderman on 01/08/2014 08:48 PM
I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 01/08/2014 09:23 PM
I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.

No, Volga and the attached "big adapter" re-entered over the South Pacific soon after separation of the "payloads".
The radar cross section of 10 m² is reflected by Soyuz second stage still in orbit (Object A)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: lunatikm on 01/15/2014 12:14 PM
It seems that there are no HR launch photos available. I only have these two pre launch photos in high resolution...
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 01/16/2014 07:33 AM
Radar cross sections for the 5 in orbit objects have now been published:
Object A 10.316 m² (confirmed as 2nd stage)
Object B 0.634 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #1)
Object C 0.137 m² (my guess: Adaptor 188 KS)
Object D 0.2693 m² (my guess: AIST)
Object E 0.630 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #2)

SpaceTrack has now allocated names to Objects A to D which raise some questions and may change again.. ???

INTLDES   NORAD_CAT_ID   OBJECT_TYPE   SATNAME      PERIOD   INCLINATION   APOGEE   PERIGEE      RCSVALUE   
2013-078E   39494                  TBA             OBJECT E      96.97      82.42             626        602            0.63     
2013-078D   39493             ROCKET BODY   SL-4 R/B        96.94      82.42             626        599             0.2941     
2013-078C   39492                  PAYLOAD     AIST 1          96.94      82.42             626        599          0.183     
2013-078B   39491                  PAYLOAD     SKRL 756 2    96.9        82.42             626        594           0.634     
2013-078A   39490                  PAYLOAD     SKRL 756 1    92.86      82.43              571        258          13.9131
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 01/21/2014 09:00 PM
Catalog listings have changed ;)

INTLDES        NORAD_CAT_ID    OBJECT_TYPE    SATNAME    PERIOD    INCLINATION    APOGEE    PERIGEE    RCSVALUE   
2013-078A    39490              PAYLOAD                SKRL 756 1    96.97    82.42              626          601              0.7079   
2013-078E    39494              TBA                        OBJECT E     96.97     82.43                649         579              0.661       
2013-078C    39492              PAYLOAD                AIST 1         96.94     82.42                626        598                0.2069       
2013-078B    39491              PAYLOAD               SKRL 756 2    96.89    82.42               626        594                 0.6694   
2013-078D    39493              ROCKET BODY       SL-4 R/B        92.77    82.43               563        258                  6.8392
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: asmi on 02/04/2014 01:55 AM
And now launch video in Full HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfFhpvZq4Ww
Enjoy and make wallpapers! I've already made mine :)
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 02/18/2014 05:00 PM
anik, something is unclear to me.

If I understand correctly this discussion, the first flight was made with 14A15 N°2Л.

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=184

But later, you wrote that first flight was with 14А15 №2Л...

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1180748/#message1180748

What happened with 2Л ?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 02/18/2014 07:50 PM
Quote
26   БВ "Волга" РН "Союз 2-1в"   28.12.2013   Задачу выполнил   БОКЗ-М60   2
http://ofo.ikiweb.ru/bokz.php

БОКЗ-М60 are star trackers on Volga
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 02/22/2014 04:43 PM
but so in documents: 14A15 #001

So it means that it was 14А15 №78031001.
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: input~2 on 12/05/2015 09:52 PM
Catalog listings have changed ;)

INTLDES        NORAD_CAT_ID    OBJECT_TYPE    SATNAME    PERIOD    INCLINATION    APOGEE    PERIGEE    RCSVALUE   
2013-078A    39490              PAYLOAD                SKRL 756 1    96.97    82.42              626          601              0.7079   
2013-078E    39494              TBA                        OBJECT E     96.97     82.43                649         579              0.661       
2013-078C    39492              PAYLOAD                AIST 1         96.94     82.42                626        598                0.2069       
2013-078B    39491              PAYLOAD               SKRL 756 2    96.89    82.42               626        594                 0.6694   
2013-078D    39493              ROCKET BODY       SL-4 R/B        92.77    82.43               563        258                  6.8392
2013-078E has disappeared from the catalog
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 03/25/2016 07:56 PM
I have new high resolution pictures of Soyuz-2.1v maiden launch :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013photos.html
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Nicolas PILLET on 03/25/2016 08:33 PM
On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: Stan Black on 03/25/2016 08:54 PM
On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg

So 1st stage is 002 and fairing is 001; what about the second blok-I stage?
Title: Re: 1st Soyuz-2.1v/Volga launch with AIST - December 28 2013 1230UTC
Post by: russianhalo117 on 03/25/2016 09:00 PM
On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg

So 1st stage is 002 and fairing is 001; what about the second blok-I stage?
This is due to 1st stage  001 being used either in entirety or for parts  after the first stage GTA failure and explosion on the the stand because of stands emergency system system and some fuel supply piping failing during the GTA NK-33A engine AVD and abort sequence.