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Title: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Scia on 05/26/2011 11:22 pm
The pictures where taken on the 23'rd and they said that it would only take a day or two for them to be made public.

Does anyone have any idea when they will be released?

Links:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/05/soyuz-tma-20-historic-photographic-event-landing/

Good starting point for some info:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25245.msg745438#msg745438

EDIT: NOW AVAILABLE:
START HERE:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25290.msg753257#msg753257
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Danderman on 05/26/2011 11:27 pm
They are presumably in Korolyev now.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: pippin on 05/26/2011 11:29 pm
let's replace "presumably" with "hopefully".
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 05/26/2011 11:30 pm
The memory cards containing the pictures/video are still inside the Soyuz descent module, which was due to be airlifted today from Kazakhstan to RSC Energia's plant in Moscow. Once there, the cards will be retrieved, and the images will be released.

NASA have said that it will be next week at least before the images are released.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Scia on 05/26/2011 11:49 pm
The memory cards containing the pictures/video are still inside the Soyuz descent module, which was due to be airlifted today from Kazakhstan to RSC Energia's plant in Moscow. Once there, the cards will be retrieved, and the images will be released.

NASA have said that it will be next week at least before the images are released.
Why does it take so long to just publish some pictures?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 05/26/2011 11:53 pm
The memory cards containing the pictures/video are still inside the Soyuz descent module, which was due to be airlifted today from Kazakhstan to RSC Energia's plant in Moscow. Once there, the cards will be retrieved, and the images will be released.

NASA have said that it will be next week at least before the images are released.
Why does it take so long to just publish some pictures?

NASA were originally intending to make digital copies of the images at the landing site, which would have meant that they could be released within one day.

However, that plan changed (we don't know why), and so now NASA must wait for the Soyuz to arrive in Moscow, so that RSC Energia will have access to the Soyuz to remove the image cards, so that they can be sent either physically or electronically to the US for release.

In short: NASA must wait for RSC Energia to transport the Soyuz to Moscow and unload it, which takes about one week.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 05/26/2011 11:58 pm
In short: NASA must wait for RSC Energia to transport the Soyuz to Moscow and unload it, which takes about one week.
Can you explain why it takes a whole week? I can imagine safing the vehicle, moving it to an airfield for loading into a transport plane (or lifting it in situ with a helicopter). This just seems rather long for either scenario.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: toddbronco2 on 05/27/2011 12:02 am
Although these pictures are eagerly anticipated by some of us, in the end they're just photos and it doesn't make a big difference whether we get them tomorrow or a week from now.   The bigger question is why would they modify their Soyuz post-flight safing and processing just to get some digital photos off?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 05/27/2011 12:49 am
Hmm...I think I may have come up with a theory as to why the plan to retrieve the cards immediately post-landing was changed.

As noted in the Soyuz TMA-20 thread, the descent module entered into a spin & tumble following drogue chute deploy:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=25119.msg746396#msg746396

Now, assuming that Paolo didn't securely stow the cards in the descent module (all cargo bags would've been firmly secured prior to undocking, preventing them from being opened to insert the cards), I wonder, what is the possibility that the memory cards came loose from their stowage location during the tumble, and thus got lost somewhere in the descent module?

It would explain why NASA need to wait for the capsule to arrive in Moscow - so that RSC Energia can take everything out and go over it with a fine toothcomb to find the cards.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Andy USA on 05/27/2011 01:02 am
Added some links to the opening post to help.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Bubbinski on 05/29/2011 09:34 pm
If NASA releases the images on the same night as the STS-135 rollout/STS-134 landing that would be a great trifecta.  Maybe have a NASA TV special combining the rollout of Atlantis with the undocking images, STS-134 launch/Soyuz landing highlights, the music calls for the astronauts (or other music scores), interviews with astronauts and workers, and ending with the STS-134 landing.  That would be a really good thing to show on landing night.

Edited to clean up grammar.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: edkyle99 on 05/29/2011 10:59 pm
where are the Soyuz  Fly about pictures?

Lens cap?  ;)

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: pargoo on 05/30/2011 05:49 am
     I doubt the Russians really care about photography, judging from the yawning chasm sitting where their published photo history ought to reside.  They probably would have regarded the eagerness to obtain and copy the cards as treading on their toes - butt out, Amerikanskis!  I'm still very surprised they agreed to it in the first place.  Assuming the cards *are* found, they won't rush.  Why do so when it just provides NASA positive publicity just as the Shuttle is winding up and Russia is regaining its monopoly on manned spaceflight - okay, apart from the Chinese, but they don't really count as far as ISS is concerned.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Jorge on 05/30/2011 05:57 am
     I doubt the Russians really care about photography, judging from the yawning chasm sitting where their published photo history ought to reside.  They probably would have regarded the eagerness to obtain and copy the cards as treading on their toes - butt out, Amerikanskis!  I'm still very surprised they agreed to it in the first place.  Assuming the cards *are* found, they won't rush.  Why do so when it just provides NASA positive publicity just as the Shuttle is winding up and Russia is regaining its monopoly on manned spaceflight - okay, apart from the Chinese, but they don't really count as far as ISS is concerned.

This post is highly disconnected with reality. It was the Russians who originally proposed the Soyuz photography of the STS-71 undocking in 1995. The Russians were highly enthusiastic about NASA's proposal for Soyuz photography of STS-133 and worked very hard to make it happen, but ultimately there were too many unknowns with the new Soyuz. And for the STS-134 Soyuz flyabout, it was a last minute conversation between Suffredini and Krasnov that got it turned back on.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: DavisSTS on 05/30/2011 07:13 am
     I doubt the Russians really care about photography, judging from the yawning chasm sitting where their published photo history ought to reside.  They probably would have regarded the eagerness to obtain and copy the cards as treading on their toes - butt out, Amerikanskis!  I'm still very surprised they agreed to it in the first place.  Assuming the cards *are* found, they won't rush.  Why do so when it just provides NASA positive publicity just as the Shuttle is winding up and Russia is regaining its monopoly on manned spaceflight - okay, apart from the Chinese, but they don't really count as far as ISS is concerned.

Someone didn't read any of the news articles on this site, I see.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: pargoo on 05/30/2011 10:00 am
     True, I admit I didn't read those posts.   I still can't shake the memories I have of the Soviet-era mentality I grew up with.  Tell you what: when they let Westerners freely into their photo archives I'll join a monastery :)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Danderman on 05/30/2011 01:49 pm
It looks like RKK Energia is taking Memorial Day weekend off.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylon on 05/30/2011 04:41 pm
This post is highly disconnected with reality. It was the Russians who originally proposed the Soyuz photography of the STS-71 undocking in 1995. The Russians were highly enthusiastic about NASA's proposal for Soyuz photography of STS-133 and worked very hard to make it happen, but ultimately there were too many unknowns with the new Soyuz. And for the STS-134 Soyuz flyabout, it was a last minute conversation between Suffredini and Krasnov that got it turned back on.

To add, I recall NASA was uneasy about the STS-71 undocking photography because, unlike this recent ISS Soyuz flyabout, it required leaving Mir unmanned during Atlantis' undocking. Mir ended up suffering a power failure and the Soyuz crew had to re-dock earlier than anticipated.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: saturnapollo on 05/30/2011 05:16 pm
Leroy Cain has just stated that they are not expected before 6 June!

Keith
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Paul Howard on 05/30/2011 05:33 pm
Chris said it best on the FD15 thread.

The photos will come when they come, I'm only interested in Endeavour coming home safe to be honest. It's about priorities, and that's no contest.

Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Bubbinski on 05/30/2011 06:01 pm
Ok there goes my last idea for the unveiling.  Here's another idea - on June 6 or whenever have a shuttle photo special with musical scores on NASA TV.  Show the best pics from 1981 through the present culminating in the Soyuz undocking photos.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Solar_OPS on 05/30/2011 06:16 pm
So my pick on what is happening is that what is blocking the pictures at this time is formalities. I assume everything landing on Russian ground is embargoed and has to go through Moscow and Russian customs clearance to be delivered to NASA. It is like that for any payload coming back from ISS with a Soyuz capsule, I guess it will be like that with a memory card.
Formalities take time!
Patience... patience...
Cheers,

Denis
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 05/30/2011 06:37 pm
So my pick on what is happening is that what is blocking the pictures at this time is formalities. I assume everything landing on Russian ground is embargoed and has to go through Moscow and Russian customs clearance to be delivered to NASA. It is like that for any payload coming back from ISS with a Soyuz capsule, I guess it will be like that with a memory card.
Formalities take time!
Patience... patience...
Cheers,

Denis

They landed in Kazakhstan, not Russia.  It is probably taking time to unpack the Soyuz.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/30/2011 06:38 pm
Cheers Paul. And that's exactly what should be in people's minds. No amount of posts and conspiracy nonsense will get the photos published any faster.

They'll arrive, when they arrive, and it should NOT distract from the next few days as Endeavour prepares to come home.

This is a armwaving free zone ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Solar_OPS on 05/30/2011 06:49 pm
So my pick on what is happening is that what is blocking the pictures at this time is formalities. I assume everything landing on Russian ground is embargoed and has to go through Moscow and Russian customs clearance to be delivered to NASA. It is like that for any payload coming back from ISS with a Soyuz capsule, I guess it will be like that with a memory card.
Formalities take time!
Patience... patience...
Cheers,

Denis

They landed in Kazakhstan, not Russia.  It is probably taking time to unpack the Soyuz.

Good point about Kazakhstan, posted a bit too fast, here ;) Still wondering, since recovery teams and hardware seem to be mostly Russian. Could be worth checking what are the agreements between Russia and its former satellite state. Paperwork and customs clearance will remain a needed burden.
Maybe Anik has some idea or anybody who had hardware returning on a Soyuz?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: jmcenanly on 05/30/2011 08:54 pm
The only thing I could think of is that they were using old-fashioned film, rather than digital photography. This would require some time to develop, once they got it to a darkroom.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: rdale on 05/30/2011 08:59 pm
The only thing I could think of is that they were using old-fashioned film, rather than digital photography.

I thought we were waiting on a digital card? I'm not that familiar with old-fashioned film, but I don't think they would put that in a card ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 05/30/2011 09:05 pm
I thought we were waiting on a digital card? I'm not that familiar with old-fashioned film, but I don't think they would put that in a card ;)
Analog photography? Wouldn't the flash powder have been banned from flying in the first place?  ;D
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/01/2011 03:33 pm
During today's post-landing news conference, it was mentioned that the images are now NET June 8, and that a Soyuz flyabout is NOT being planned for STS-135.

I don't know why the release date keeps getting pushed further and further back - I thought the Soyuz post-landing processing timelines (which includes cargo unloading) were pretty much set in stone?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: rdale on 06/01/2011 03:33 pm
Well at least 134 is safely down ;) Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/01/2011 03:53 pm
During today's post-landing news conference, it was mentioned that the images are now NET June 8, and that a Soyuz flyabout is NOT being planned for STS-135.

I don't know why the release date keeps getting pushed further and further back - I thought the Soyuz post-landing processing timelines (which includes cargo unloading) were pretty much set in stone?

I've asked about specifics of Soyuz post landing processing to see if we might come across someone who knows the actual status.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/01/2011 04:09 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: vt_hokie on 06/01/2011 04:14 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: racshot65 on 06/01/2011 04:20 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


:D :D  Seriously ? Do you have a source for that ?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/01/2011 04:28 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


How much are kilowatt hours delivered to the Russian segment going to cost?

Seriously, becoming extortionists would be a really dumb thing for partners to do.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/01/2011 04:30 pm
As I said, they are rumors. 

But let's look at the circumstantial evidence.  A digital SM card has not yet been downloaded with pictures yet posted to the internet, something that takes about 5 minutes to do.  These pictures are in a Soyuz capsule, about the size of a few phone booths, that landed over a week ago.  These pictures were taken on board a Russian spacecraft with a Russian camera.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/01/2011 04:38 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.

If that's true, then that's just ridiculous. It's extortion, plan and simple.

You know what, if I were running this on the NASA side, I'd tell them to stick it, however nice the images may be.

12 years in a "partnership", and we've learned nothing. And to think the US is about to turn over all crew transportation to these guys.  :(
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Targeteer on 06/01/2011 04:47 pm
If this rumor is true--wow...

Did we charge the Russians for pictures taken by US astronauts, with US cameras of the Russian thrusters during the recent spacewalk?

How about installation charges and the cost of the PDGF installed on the Russian segment?

Reinforces my belief that there is no international space spacestation. Just a Russian one that happens to be attached to US/European/Japanese/Canadian one.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chandonn on 06/01/2011 04:54 pm
And all this time I thought it was a game.  You know: every time we ask the Russians when the pictures will be available, it's 2 days later than the last time...  ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Riley1066 on 06/01/2011 07:34 pm
If this rumor is true--wow...

Did we charge the Russians for pictures taken by US astronauts, with US cameras of the Russian thrusters during the recent spacewalk?

How about installation charges and the cost of the PDGF installed on the Russian segment?

Reinforces my belief that there is no international space spacestation. Just a Russian one that happens to be attached to US/European/Japanese/Canadian one.

We've also loaned them helmet cameras for their EVAs ...
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: vt_hokie on 06/01/2011 07:43 pm
Reinforces my belief that there is no international space spacestation. Just a Russian one that happens to be attached to US/European/Japanese/Canadian one.

It was nice of us to keep the shuttle going long enough to build the Russians a nice addition to their space station, before handing over the keys!  :(  Sure makes a lot of sense to spend $100 billion on a station we can't even get to now!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: PahTo on 06/01/2011 07:56 pm
I've been keeping mum about this for weeks, and went so far as to cautiously ask in a few different threads, at all times being careful not to impugn the sensibilities of our Russian partners.
But when it was revealed at a presser early in 134 that it would be Russian cameras, I grew more concerned.
For me, the concern was confirmed when, upon landing, the cards were not downloaded and disseminated on-site.

Despite my "mission first" credo, I rescind my response to Mr. Sloss and Space Pete and declare with the most sincerity:

Build in to STS-135 EVA timeline:  SSRMS grapple of EIBA with PFR attached, roll out the far end of the starboard truss, and take plenty of pics/movies in plane with truss, and out of plane.  Wide angle, please.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/01/2011 08:06 pm
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But when it was revealed at a presser early in 134 that it would be Russian cameras, I grew more concerned.
For me, the concern was confirmed when, upon landing, the cards were not downloaded and disseminated on-site.

No real surprise I don't think. I suggested some time ago that as it was a Russian Vehicle they would more than likely be carrying Russian cameras. No stranger than expecting US astronauts to use anything else but US cameras (Ok actually Japanese Nikon's).

And again the Russians traditionally have their own procedures after landing and as Phil Clark mentioned they may well not be that bothered about releasing photos quickly, as, as far as they are concerned the ISS hasn't been completed until they remove Pirs, add their new module and deploy the ESA arm.

The rumour of the cards being lost were just that - a rumour, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet about the rumour of the Russians wanting money. Though the Russians could be charging for losing their cameras in the Orbital Module which they well otherwise not have done.

At the press conference it was mentioned that as the next Soyuz launches on 8 June it could be then the photos are released. Not sure why the two events would be linked.

Keith
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/01/2011 08:18 pm
For a bit of balance in this whole discussion, perhaps it's good to recall that the Russian space programme saved the ISS after the Columbia disaster and provides the only crew rescue vehicle so far. It's also the only programme, apart from ATV, that provides reboost capability outside the US one.

From a non-US, non-Russian perspective, the cooperation doesn't seem all that bad, given that this photo issue is just a rumour. If proven to be fact, I'll have to reconsider.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: PahTo on 06/01/2011 08:33 pm

Thanks for that Keith--I wasn't aware that they would not bring cameras on board normally for a landing (but makes sense).  Indeed, I was surprised when they said the cameras would stay in the OM.  I realize stowage is at a premium in the DM, but it must also be a matter of "securing the load."

I still have a hard time understanding what is taking so long, and know there is a bit of history to all of this.  Time to go back to "mum mode".

I'll reserve my comments about 135 until early July, but hopefully mission planners are building in "contingency timeline".  :)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: vt_hokie on 06/01/2011 09:02 pm
For a bit of balance in this whole discussion, perhaps it's good to recall that the Russian space programme saved the ISS after the Columbia disaster and provides the only crew rescue vehicle so far. It's also the only programme, apart from ATV, that provides reboost capability outside the US one.

All true, but those are also glaring examples of US policy failures that allowed ACRV and the propulsion module to be cancelled, putting us in the position of being reliant on the Russians (and creating a potential single point of failure).


Thanks for that Keith--I wasn't aware that they would not bring cameras on board normally for a landing (but makes sense).  Indeed, I was surprised when they said the cameras would stay in the OM.  I realize stowage is at a premium in the DM, but it must also be a matter of "securing the load."

Hurray for capsules.  ;)

Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/01/2011 09:07 pm
All true, but those are also glaring examples of US policy failures that allowed ACRV and the propulsion module to be cancelled, putting us in the position of being reliant on the Russians (and creating a potential single point of failure).
Without them, probably there wouldn't even have been a space station now (apart from - perhaps - Mir 2). Was the US decision-making process flawed? In a way, yes, but imagine not having had the Russians aboard. The Soyuz may now be the single point of failure, but otherwise the shuttle would've been...

Back on topic, any insight into the Soyuz post-landing recovery process would be, as Chris said, appreciated!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: psloss on 06/01/2011 09:41 pm
The rumour of the cards being lost were just that - a rumour, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet about the rumour of the Russians wanting money.
Agreed.  Probably going to have to keep Chris's comment about patience handy.

At the press conference it was mentioned that as the next Soyuz launches on 8 June it could be then the photos are released. Not sure why the two events would be linked.
Might be kind of busy getting ready for that launch, too, which probably takes priority.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/01/2011 09:59 pm
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Might be kind of busy getting ready for that launch, too, which probably takes priority.

Good point.

Keith
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: thebartonfox on 06/02/2011 02:35 pm
Whenever they are released they're sure to be spectacular if the rest of Paolo's on orbit photography is anything to go by.

It does seem a bit odd how long its taking though, does anyone know how long the Atlantis-Mir pictures took to be released? Presumably they were taken on film though, so whatever the wait was its more understandable.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: baldusi on 06/02/2011 05:05 pm
If Paolo took the pictures, I would bet it was with his camera. May be the issue is with the IP of a picture taken by ESA from a Roscomos craft?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: kirghizstan on 06/02/2011 05:13 pm
If Paolo took the pictures, I would bet it was with his camera. May be the issue is with the IP of a picture taken by ESA from a Roscomos craft?

well couldn't the same thing be said about where he might be when taking photos on ISS?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/02/2011 05:20 pm
I honestly think the Russians have a "by the book" stowage removal procedure, which they've probably been using for decades, and the digi cards weren't top of the list, especially as they wouldn't of been a regular item.

I think NASA expected they'd be allowed to download them at the landing site, but when Paolo, who wasn't well, got out and left them inside the capsule, we're into that procedure, thus the delay.

That's how I see it anyway.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: baldusi on 06/02/2011 05:25 pm
If there's any money discussion (which I'm not sure there is) it might be more about "uncontracted electronically sensitive payload processing costs", i.e. searching, accounting and doing whatever procedure is made for said cards. May be they quarantine the whole capsule or so.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: John Duncan on 06/02/2011 06:01 pm
Can we expect the kind of super amazing photos that we are used too?  I am afraid about a tiny, dirty porthole on the Soyuz making all this speculation for naught.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/02/2011 06:12 pm
Can we expect the kind of super amazing photos that we are used too?  I am afraid about a tiny, dirty porthole on the Soyuz making all this speculation for naught.

The Soyuz porthole will give images of equal quality to Shuttle flyaround images - so I wouldn't worry about that.

The below images were all taken through the Soyuz porthole. As you can see, the quality of the images is perfectly adequate.
www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-14/html/iss014e18777.html
www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-20/html/iss020e016484.html
www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-22/html/iss022e033320.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: John Duncan on 06/02/2011 06:55 pm
Thanks, Pete. That is good to know.  I remember those photos!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: lcs on 06/02/2011 09:02 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


I said so a week or so ago, but my post was deleted. 
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/02/2011 10:36 pm
You would think NASA would be keen to mark Endeavour's final flight with good photography, but we're still waiting to see the station undocking views of Endeavour. NASA really is slow these days releasing some photography.

Keith
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/02/2011 11:01 pm
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


I said so a week or so ago, but my post was deleted. 

There's a difference between someone making an assumed acquisition, and someone at JSC hearing it.

On both counts, it's highly likely to be just that.

If it turns out to be true, I'll allow you to post "First, FIRST!!" ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Brian Mc on 06/03/2011 12:17 am
Maybe they are rolling to DM to Moscow....

Seriously though I'm sure there is a financial component to this.

I mean somebody has to pay either in "cash" or trade. There must be some accounting of the cost of moving harware back and forth to the ISS by/for the members patricipating in the program. How does the US handle this? HTV and ATV must bring up "stuff" for other members. How does Japan and Europe handle this?

Now a couple of cameras (destroyed) and (shipping) memory cards may seem small compared to the whole program but still there are costs innvolved. However any costs innvolved should have already been negotiated (i.e. not a surprise).

My belief (2 cents) is that the process has many "steps" across a number of ogranizations. as a result, no one single person is in charge. Therefore no one is walking or pushing it through the system. They are simply handing off to the next step. Takes time.

I keep searching the Roscosmos site just in case there is a surprise there... after all its their pictures.

In the meantime, rollin', rollin', rollin'.....

Brian
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/03/2011 02:46 am
How does the US handle this? HTV and ATV must bring up "stuff" for other members. How does Japan and Europe handle this?
They (did) use bartering.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: NotGncDude on 06/06/2011 04:29 am
News?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/06/2011 04:37 am
News?

Nope.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Jorge on 06/06/2011 04:37 am
News?

As far as availability date? No change, NET 6/8.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Danderman on 06/06/2011 04:40 am
News?

As far as availability date? No change, NET 6/8.

... which sounds as if at least some of the people responsible for dealing with the descent module are busy dealing with a launch right now.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: JosephB on 06/06/2011 04:48 am
There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.


I said so a week or so ago, but my post was deleted. 

You know, I take back all the bad comments I've made about NASA PAO.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/06/2011 04:16 pm
Photos are currently going through "export control" in Russia.

So at least they exist :)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/06/2011 04:16 pm
Photos are currently going through "export control" in Russia.

So at least they exist :)

I see....."interesting".
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: PahTo on 06/06/2011 04:27 pm
Speaking of images, has anyone seen pictures of Endeavour post-undock as she did the (actual) flyabout?  I've found plenty of pics taken from Endeavour of ISS, but none of OV-105 with her payload bay "empty".

Hopefully "export control" doesn't involve strong magnetic fields...
:)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: emerrill on 06/06/2011 05:06 pm
Hopefully "export control" doesn't involve strong magnetic fields...
:)

Well, even if it does, luckily most forms of memory cards are non-magnetic. :)

Does Russia have something similar to ITAR, that is causing them to get held up?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Danderman on 06/06/2011 05:11 pm
Does Russia have something similar to ITAR?

Yes.

that is causing them to get held up?

That's the story we are getting now.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chandonn on 06/06/2011 07:42 pm
... and all this time I thought it was taking this long to put the pics on floppies!  ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/06/2011 08:42 pm
Export control between Kazakhstan and Russia?

I understand a Soyuz is no small item but why would it take that long?

and then the cards are just a bunch of pictures... however important they are still a bunch of pictures...

I hope they will not be lost!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/06/2011 08:45 pm
I think you are missing the point.  The term "export control" is likely a cover, between the US and Russia not Russia and K-stan, used to get some financial reward for the pictures. 
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Danderman on 06/06/2011 08:46 pm
Export control between Kazakhstan and Russia?

I understand a Soyuz is no small item but why would it take that long?

and then the cards are just a bunch of pictures... however important they are still a bunch of pictures...

I hope they will not be lost!

The purported issue is export of technologies FROM Russia to the rest of the world. ITAR restrictions are often not aimed at a single county, but rather are blanket restrictions on export of knowledge via the internet or on paper.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: baldusi on 06/06/2011 09:06 pm
I think you are missing the point.  The term "export control" is likely a cover, between the US and Russia not Russia and K-stan, used to get some financial reward for the pictures. 
In Argentina, if you enter a piece of art, like a Rembrandt, without a temporary import waiver, you can't take it out, as is considered part of the country's heritage. And to export any kind of industrial product, you need a "certificate of origin" from almost every part. If Russia is 10% of as backward in export laws (which it probably is), even wanting to do the export, is a lengthy, papery process.
If some money is asked, is probably for the export agent. Here they run between 200US to 2000US, depending on the difficulty. But as I already stated, that flashcard was probably not "properly" imported. And all the processing that suffered afterward could be considered a value added. Again, not to mention that it might also be considered an IP, or a work of art, or a technical information. Plus whatever agreements Roscosmos has with ESA. Don't underestimate the power of red tape.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/06/2011 09:12 pm
In England they'd already be on a laptop, but then said laptop would be lost in a taxi and one of the tabloids would buy it for a gizilion pounds and write "Exclusive photos taken from UFO of aliens spying on ISS" ;D
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/06/2011 09:14 pm
In England they'd already be on a laptop, but then said laptop would be lost in a taxi and one of the tabloids would buy it for a gizilion pounds and write "Exclusive photos taken from UFO of aliens spying on ISS" ;D
Lost in a cab? Do you mean to say MI5 would be in charge? ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/06/2011 09:15 pm
Or maybe this is just a prelude as to who is going to call the shots from now on and on who's  timetable . My mind keeps going back to that press conference with who is the "world’s leader" in spaceflight comment.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: PahTo on 06/06/2011 10:26 pm
I'm glad to see most of us are keeping this all in perspective/humor.

I have a confession:  I think the hold up is due to my antics at the 2010 Winter Olympics.  You see, a large contingent of Russians posed for group photos while celebrating Russia's victory over the Czech Republic in ice hockey.

It was all fun until I crept in to the frame and hoisted the NASA meatball over/behind the lot of them.
They didn't much like that.
:)

Sorry!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chandonn on 06/06/2011 10:34 pm
I would more expect the pictures, if in England, to be billed as "ISS pictures taken by Tardis!"  But then, of course, we would have seen the pictures released before they were taken...   ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: MarkZero on 06/07/2011 07:08 am
While you are waiting for the Soyuz photos, here's some very nice ones taken from the ground by some french guy.

http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/STS-134.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: SimonFD on 06/07/2011 08:46 am
While you are waiting for the Soyuz photos, here's some very nice ones taken from the ground by some french guy.

http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/STS-134.html

Simply stunning!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Phosphorus on 06/07/2011 09:54 am
I think you are missing the point.  The term "export control" is likely a cover, between the US and Russia not Russia and K-stan, used to get some financial reward for the pictures. 

Cover or not, but trust me, the word "export control" is a very real legal term, arising from treaties like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
and the more general concept of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateral_export_control_regime

and yes, if an item is on the export control list (you know, customs have computers with databases in that part of the world :) ) -- you have an instant excuse for not letting it pass (actually, from a formal point of view, a customs officer risks dismissal and prosecution, if he/she bends the rules and ignores the requirement).
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 12:20 pm
Any news updates on the digital cards as of today?

 ???    ::)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/07/2011 03:58 pm
I think you are missing the point.  The term "export control" is likely a cover, between the US and Russia not Russia and K-stan, used to get some financial reward for the pictures. 

Cover or not, but trust me, the word "export control" is a very real legal term, arising from treaties like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
and the more general concept of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateral_export_control_regime

and yes, if an item is on the export control list (you know, customs have computers with databases in that part of the world :) ) -- you have an instant excuse for not letting it pass (actually, from a formal point of view, a customs officer risks dismissal and prosecution, if he/she bends the rules and ignores the requirement).

I'm actually quite familiar with what "export control" means.  I stand by what I said.  In reality, how could a set of external pictures (just pictures) of the ISS and orbiter, for which there are countless images already online showing the outside of the ISS or orbiter, be hung up in "export control"? 

It's a smoke screen. 
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Jorge on 06/07/2011 05:39 pm
The pics are starting to go up on the JSC internal servers:
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Jorge on 06/07/2011 05:42 pm
And, a couple minutes later, the public server:

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/html/iss027e036656.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 05:50 pm
Holy cow!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/inflight/ndxpage40.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: PahTo on 06/07/2011 05:51 pm

Woot! Wow, this is great!
Yay!
:)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 05:53 pm
I just saw your tweet!!!
The Space Station pictures are now coming!!!!

Magnifico... Woohoo!!!!

:-)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 05:55 pm
Wow, great pics, showing (I think) every ISS element clearly!  8)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/07/2011 05:55 pm
Finally!  I wonder if we'll ever know if money was exchanged.......
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:01 pm
Ho ho, here we go!!

Let's get these going viral as the plan. Have NASA tweeted anything yet??
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Aobrien on 06/07/2011 06:05 pm
Here is one I rotated for a different angle. Straight to the desktop! I am in shock!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: lucspace on 06/07/2011 06:05 pm
One is on nasa.gov; http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/living/index.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Peter NASA on 06/07/2011 06:06 pm
Amazing!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Jones36 on 06/07/2011 06:06 pm
Amazing!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/07/2011 06:06 pm
Bravo Paolo!! Thank you
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Pheogh on 06/07/2011 06:07 pm
Does anyone one know how many total pictures there are.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: lucspace on 06/07/2011 06:08 pm
Judging by what we saw from the Soyuz onboard camera, the best views are yet to come... Also, some colour correction is needed, I think... pics seem a bit yellow...
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: DaveJSC on 06/07/2011 06:10 pm
Need PAO to get word out, but they are turning them around well. Hope they are putting more on as there's apparently 100s.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:12 pm
Remember folks, these are nasa.gov images. Blog about them, tweet about them, print them out and put them on frakking signposts.

You've got the nasa.gov links. Let's make it go viral.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:14 pm
Need PAO to get word out, but they are turning them around well. Hope they are putting more on as there's apparently 100s.

Agreed, nothing from NASA PAO so far.

And I sincerely hope there are more photos - and HD video too! :)

I suppose I don't need to mention how awed I am at these - I've been waiting SO long to see this sight - lost for words right now.
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Davejfb on 06/07/2011 06:14 pm
OH MY GOD! AMAZING!

Great way to say thank you to our girls the shuttles
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: DaveJSC on 06/07/2011 06:17 pm
Remember folks, these are nasa.gov images. Blog about them, tweet about them, print them out and put them on frakking signposts.

You've got the nasa.gov links. Let's make it go viral.

HA, someone's excited ;)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/07/2011 06:18 pm
Brilliant!!! These should just be the first as most of these were before the station re-orientated itself. Just tasters :)!!!!

Keith
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:20 pm
NASA have set up a special photo gallery on their main site, and Tweeted it.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/multimedia/e27depart.html

Official shorter link for Twitter etc: http://go.nasa.gov/stationportrait
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: ugordan on 06/07/2011 06:20 pm
Also, some colour correction is needed, I think... pics seem a bit yellow...

Agree, but that's no biggie. Here's one through quick levels adjust in Photoshop:

Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:21 pm
PAO's now tweeting it, so off we go. Keep an eye for any mass media picking up on it. Let's hope!
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 06:23 pm
NASA just tweeted the pictures.

You've been waiting for them. Some of them are finally here! See the space shuttle docked to ISS @ http://go.nasa.gov/stationportrait
2 minutes ago via CoTweet
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 06:23 pm
Moderators, perhaps you can put the link(s) above the original post here? Just makes the images easier to find for those who haven't kept track.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:26 pm
Done and done, Skylab ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 06:27 pm
Done and done, Skylab ;D
Nice, cheers!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:27 pm
The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread

It wasn't a flyabout! :D

Oh, I give up, I'm fighting a losing battle - it WAS a flyabout! ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:29 pm
It's practically a buzz word with the public. Bracketing "Flyabout" shows it's not really a flyabout.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:33 pm
It's practically a buzz word with the public. Bracketing "Flyabout" shows it's not really a flyabout.

Yeah, I know - "flyabout" sounds a lot more appealing than "documentary photography maneuver" as I've been calling it. :D

I wonder whether these photos will make any TV news stations? Hopefully! :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:35 pm
Ooh, nine image are now up here, so maybe this link is the one to watch:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/multimedia/e27depart.html

I wonder whether they'll put out a presser?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:36 pm
It's practically a buzz word with the public. Bracketing "Flyabout" shows it's not really a flyabout.

Yeah, I know - "flyabout" sounds a lot more appealing than "documentary photography maneuver" as I've been calling it. :D

I wonder whether these photos will make any TV news stations? Hopefully! :)

Buzzed Sky News. BBC is a minefield, so maybe someone can alert Mr Amos?

I'm sure MSNBC are all over it.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 06:40 pm
Just sent the link as a suggestion for 'Best of the Web', on a national newspaper's website. Perhaps another way to make it go viral?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 06:42 pm
Buzzed Sky News. BBC is a minefield, so maybe someone can alert Mr Amos?

I'm sure MSNBC are all over it.

I've already Tweeted Mr. Amos. :)

He used a wide-angle EVA shot in a BBC article last week.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:42 pm
They've written a presser! Good good!

Joshua Buck
Headquarters, Washington     
202-358-1100
[email protected]

Kelly Humphries
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111
[email protected]   


MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-114

UNIQUE 'PORTRAIT' OF SHUTTLE AND INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION RELEASED

WASHINGTON -- Newly-released portraits show the International Space
Station together with the space shuttle, the vehicle that helped
build the complex during the last decade. The pictures are the first
taken of a shuttle docked to the station from the perspective of a
Russian Soyuz spacecraft.

On May 23, the Soyuz was carrying Russian cosmonaut Dmitry Kondratyev,
NASA astronaut Cady Coleman and European Space Agency astronaut Paolo
Nespoli back to Earth. Once their vehicle was about 600 feet from the
station, Mission Control Moscow, outside the Russian capital,
commanded the orbiting laboratory to rotate 130 degrees. This move
allowed Nespoli to capture digital photographs and high definition
video of shuttle Endeavour docked to the station.

The Soyuz landed in Kazakhstan and was taken to Moscow for routine
post-landing analysis. NASA and the Russian space agency, Roscosmos,
then processed the imagery as part of the standard disposition of
spacecraft cargo.

Additional images and high definition video are being processed and
will be posted on NASA's website. To view the still images, visit:


http://go.nasa.gov/stationportrait

Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 06:44 pm
ESA's pressering it:

http://blogs.esa.int/atv/2011/06/07/stunning-speechless-esas-paolo-nespoli-captures-the-iss-like-never-before/
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: robertross on 06/07/2011 06:45 pm
Thank you Paolo!!!!!  :)

Love them
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 06:47 pm
Thank you Paolo!!!!!  :)

Love them

Paolo Nespoli is my hero!!

Forza Italia!!!


:-)

There are tweets coming in all the time. It is getting difficult to keep up!

MEDIA ADVISORY : M11-114
 
Unique 'Portrait' Of Shuttle And International Space Station Released

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/jun/HQ_M11-114_Nespoli_Pics.html
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 06:50 pm
And contacted Wired, let's see what happens! :D

(PS - Nine photos on that NASA link now, so they're still busy.)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Furner on 06/07/2011 06:52 pm
Im finding some of the pictures from two NASA sources
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/multimedia/e27depart.html
and
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/ndxpage59.html

Some of the images on the first link are also on the second link as well, but they are lower file-size on the first link.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 07:01 pm
What a day! We get the Soyuz flyabout pictures the same day as a Soyuz launch!!

Soyuz TMA-02M launches astronaut Mike Fossum to the space station at 4:12p ET. NASA TV coverage starts at 3:30p: http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

:-)

Roscosmos
NASA astronaut Mike Fossum, Russian cosmonaut Sergei Volkov and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency astronaut Satoshi Furukawa -- are set for launch to the ISS from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan in their Soyuz TMA-02M spacecraft at 4:12 p.m. EDT (2:12 a.m. Wednesday, Baikonur time).

:-)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: NavySpaceFan on 06/07/2011 07:19 pm
These are just as good as I had hoped they would be!  What once seemed science fiction is now science fact!!!!!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Davejfb on 06/07/2011 07:21 pm
I'm already verry happy with these photo's! Now i hope to get one with Endeavour's nose in the frame.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: MadameConcorde on 06/07/2011 07:23 pm
How many published pictures will there be - in total?

Any idea?

 ???

I love the pictures of the "bent" Space Station.
I hope there will be many more.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Davejfb on 06/07/2011 07:38 pm
This is the bomb!!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/07/2011 07:39 pm
I love this one:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/557331main_iss027e036710_full.jpg
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/07/2011 07:45 pm
Pages 60 and 61 now up. 8)

http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/ndxpage60.html
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Alpha Control on 06/07/2011 07:45 pm
I love this one:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/557331main_iss027e036710_full.jpg

I have to say that I love that one, too. Best view of Endeavour, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/07/2011 08:15 pm
I tried to make a rough edit to fix the exposure on this one, not sure how it turned out, you guys let me know.  :)

EDIT:  Wasn't sure on the cooler blue or the warmer white, I like the image either way, but...  :P
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: D.A. on 06/07/2011 08:19 pm
Really nice photos!

A question: Did they ever get in front of the orbiter while doing the flyabout? So far the only ones are behind and beside Endeavour.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Jorge on 06/07/2011 08:22 pm
Really nice photos!

A question: Did they ever get in front of the orbiter while doing the flyabout? So far the only ones are behind and beside Endeavour.

The Soyuz was stationkeeping on the velocity vector throughout the photos. The Soyuz did not move; the shuttle-ISS stack rotated.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: David AF on 06/07/2011 08:27 pm
110 photos going into L2 we hear!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: ugordan on 06/07/2011 08:29 pm
The Soyuz was stationkeeping on the velocity vector throughout the photos. The Soyuz did not move; the shuttle-ISS stack rotated.

Methinks that might allow for some kick-ass 3D views of the complex. IF the rotation plane is just right.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: majormajor42 on 06/07/2011 09:06 pm
These are all great. Already tweeted and retweeted some to get the buzz up Chris. I'm very happy with the results. Besides the anxiety of the past couple weeks where there were some moments that we had concerns, something else was bothering me. I was watching NASAtv during the "flyaround" and after the ISS had already started moving I think you hear them ask permission to go into the orbital module with the window and then, when the ISS had almost completed the maneuver you hear them ask to start taking photos, at which point they ask him to also take videos. I was concerned that you wouldn't see the great angular shots and all you would see are the ones lined up with the "nadir" side of the station/shuttle. Very happy I was wrong.

Also looking forward to the video. Was he able to take photos and video at the same time? Guess it depends on the size of that window and possible hands free set up of video camera.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 09:17 pm
These are all great. Already tweeted and retweeted some to get the buzz up Chris.

That's the spirit! :)

Wouldn't it be amazing if a national (or even one of the big local) papers went with one of them on their front page? Probably wishful thinking, but if ANYONE has ANY influence at such a paper, do your duty :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: litton4 on 06/07/2011 09:36 pm
Grrrr
It would have to be NOW, when my ^(*)^&%$^Ł%$"&&^($Ł%$^ of an ISP has done something that means that I can't download pics from NasaSpaceflight!

Works from the office, just not from home.
Ł$%^&^& ^&*^ ()*()  ^%&*^*&^ ^*&^&*   deleted!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/07/2011 09:57 pm
MSNBC did its job:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/07/6805662-ultimate-space-portrait-unveiled
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/07/2011 09:59 pm
Just for fun, a comparison of one of the the composites I did from Ron's stitch of several images (incidentally, the original on L2 is over 78 megapixels because it's based on a stitch) to one of Paolo's images after rotation.  Slightly different angles, very different lighting and white balance, but pretty comparable.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/07/2011 10:38 pm
This would have to be the evening I had to go out, but was looking forward to getting home to see if there were anymore!

Boy, these are great. Was certainly worth the wait. Can't wait to see the others the press release mentioned still had to be processed.

Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: majormajor42 on 06/07/2011 10:39 pm
I saw that first photo recently. Didn't realize it was a stich. Was wondering where it came from. Duh.

So will Air & Space mag, or was it AW&ST, do another "centerfold" like they did for the Discovery-Mir pics?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: JazzFan on 06/07/2011 10:43 pm
I love this one:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/557331main_iss027e036710_full.jpg

I have to say that I love that one, too. Best view of Endeavour, in my opinion.

My favorite too and will be my desktop for quite a long time.  I need to create a dual image that includes that with the Mir shot.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Walter S on 06/07/2011 10:59 pm
One of the photos made NBC nightly news!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mark Dave on 06/07/2011 11:03 pm
A lot of photos at http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/ndxpage61.html

Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Alan Boyle on 06/07/2011 11:27 pm
I'm trying to find out what kind of camera Paolo was using. NASA folks say it was a "Russian camera" so they can't help ... but does that mean a Russian-made camera, or merely a Russian-provided camera? Looks like Paolo was using a Nikon when he was on station...
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/07/2011 11:28 pm
I'm trying to find out what kind of camera Paolo was using. NASA folks say it was a "Russian camera" so they can't help ... but does that mean a Russian-made camera, or merely a Russian-provided camera? Looks like Paolo was using a Nikon when he was on station...

Nikon D3X.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/07/2011 11:31 pm
Woo! It's only Sir Alan Boyle! Welcome! :)


Nikon D3x.

Nikon D3x - deceased ;)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Alan Boyle on 06/07/2011 11:33 pm
Woo! It's only Sir Alan Boyle! Welcome! :)


Nikon D3x.

Nikon D3x - deceased ;)

What a waste of a good camera  ;)   Hi, Chris ... first-time poster, long-time fan.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Rocket Science on 06/07/2011 11:42 pm
Soyuz pictures released at the same time as the Soyuz launch…..coincidence?? … Hmmmmm
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: STS Tony on 06/07/2011 11:44 pm
Thanks for getting this all some publicity in MSNBC Alan! Would be nice if the other big media did the same.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/07/2011 11:45 pm
NASA just posted a whole lot more!

Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mark Dave on 06/08/2011 12:00 am
This photo reminds me of the opening scene of Cameron's Avatar. :)

compare Endeavour/ ISS http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/hires/iss027e036715.jpg

to the movie scene http://images.wikia.com/jamescameronsavatar/images/1/1f/Isv.jpg 

The small vehicle you see undocking from the ship is the same size as the entire ISS. The large ship, the ISV Venture Star is 1,646 meters long. The smaller Valkyrie shuttles are 101 meters long.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/08/2011 12:04 am
Woo! It's only Sir Alan Boyle! Welcome! :)


Nikon D3x.

Nikon D3x - deceased ;)

What a waste of a good camera  ;)   Hi, Chris ... first-time poster, long-time fan.

If it were a good camera, it would have survived unprotected reentry unscathed, and swam home to its owner.  Clearly, Nikon has some work to do.   ;)

In all seriousness, they do have work to do.  Sadly, they among many others are still recovering from the earthquake and tsunami, and will be for some time.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/08/2011 12:19 am
I think this is one of my facvourites although there are so many to choose from.

I've tweaked the colour cast.

Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: majormajor42 on 06/08/2011 12:33 am
Anybody besides me looking at these pictures and noticing things they never took notice of before?

Me, the spare/other docking unit on node 3 port.
How big the ATV is. So glad we got these pics with it there. Bummer we missed out on HTV last time.

I'm sure I, and other amateurs, will take notice of more as I continue to look. Others here might know this stuff like the back of their hands, I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/08/2011 12:36 am
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Me, the spare/other docking unit on node 3 port.

That particular piece has been a right nuisance to me whilst building the model as it kept getting moved around and I kept having to relocate it :)!!

Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: vt_hokie on 06/08/2011 12:39 am
Figures they get released while I'm out on the road!  ;)  But they were definitely worth the wait!  Stunning imagery indeed!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/08/2011 12:59 am
Jonathan Amos has just run an article about these images on the BBC News website. :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: robertross on 06/08/2011 01:02 am
Thank you Paolo!!!!!  :)

Love them

Paolo Nespoli is my hero!!

Forza Italia!!!


:-)

A wish to ammend my post to also send thanks to all those who made this happen, and especially to Dimitri Kondratyev for stationkeeping of the Soyuz - great job!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/08/2011 01:23 am
Jonathan Amos has just run an article about these images on the BBC News website. :)

Even calls Endeavour a her (which he doesn't normally do) :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13691608
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mark Dave on 06/08/2011 01:37 am
Not really surprised  a shuttle defined as female.  Ships for some reason are always defined as she, her, etc. I have no idea how that got started though.

Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: arachnitect on 06/08/2011 01:57 am
This one's probably my favorite: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/hires/iss027e036752.jpg (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-27/hires/iss027e036752.jpg)

You can see AMS really well in that one.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: hanschristian on 06/08/2011 02:15 am
I think I'm gonna cry...

lost for words...

to the US government... I can't believe you guys chose to retire the shuttle...
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/08/2011 02:33 am
Alan's wrote a second, on the camera - and nice hat tip to us here :)

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/07/6807504-camera-burns-after-space-stardom
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/08/2011 03:01 am
Alan's wrote a second, on the camera - and nice hat tip to us here :)

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/07/6807504-camera-burns-after-space-stardom

"But on NASASpaceflight.com, the word was that Nespoli used a Nikon D3X digital camera for the stills."

The word was?  I do have a bit of supporting evidence:  ;)

Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Scia on 06/08/2011 03:02 am
Anyone have any Idea when the HD video will be released?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Alan Boyle on 06/08/2011 03:04 am
Excellent, thanks, Lee!!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Lee Jay on 06/08/2011 03:04 am
Excellent, thanks, Lee!!

You betcha!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: marshallsplace on 06/08/2011 06:08 am
Nice to wake up and see most of my favorite space hardware in the same place in LEO :) .

Really captures a historical moment brilliantly.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: bookemdano on 06/08/2011 07:14 am
Hi all, drooling over all these awesome images like the rest of you. Forgive me if this is covered elsewhere or common knowledge or something, but in this image:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/557263main_iss027e036647_full.jpg

one can clearly see some damage on one of the arrays in the lower left. I was just curious if there's some backstory to that and if it's known how it happened. Furthermore is it something that needs repair (and can it be done?). If there is already a write-up on this somewhere I'd greatly appreciate a link.

In the meantime, back to downloading all these... I'll be all set for desktop images for quite some time :)

Many thanks!

EDIT: Nevermind... I see now it's the S1 radiator and the damage was first seen back in 2008... and of course it's well-covered here. I should have spent more time searching!

Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Archibald on 06/08/2011 09:14 am
I think about all the people that made this possible by their work over the last four decades...  four decades ago to this day, the shuttle was still in limbo, facing an uncertain future.

I think about 2001, inevitably... jaw dropped.
Yes, the shuttle / ISS duo suffered some tragedies and many delays over the years. There had been many doubts about the finality of the whole project since 1984 and Reagan adress.
But they build it; NASA did it in the end.

The "low Earth orbit" phase is coming to an end. For all their flaws, NASA build a RLV that fly to a space station. Congrats to them.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: marshallsplace on 06/08/2011 09:26 am
Very happy with my new desktop background picture  :D :
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Jester on 06/08/2011 09:53 am
Now on L2, full dump of all the images, currently 271 in total :)
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Frandolf on 06/08/2011 10:10 am
Remember folks, these are nasa.gov images. Blog about them, tweet about them, print them out and put them on frakking signposts.

You've got the nasa.gov links. Let's make it go viral.

Done.

Printed the historic pic, placed it prominently in our breakfast room and discussed it on the breakfast table with my colleagues. Tweet is done, next is blog entry  ;D

Thanks to Paolo, Dmitry, Roskomos, NASA, ESA and last but not least NSF  ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/08/2011 10:15 am
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"But on NASASpaceflight.com, the word was that Nespoli used a Nikon D3X digital camera for the stills."

The word was?  I do have a bit of supporting evidence:

All you have to do is hover the mouse cursor over the thumbnail in Windows Explorer and it tells what type of camera was used.

Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Justin Space on 06/08/2011 11:04 am
Now on L2, full dump of all the images, currently 271 in total :)

About half a gigabyte! Absolutely amazing .
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: TALsite on 06/08/2011 12:48 pm
What a shots!!
Absolutely stunning!

In Spanish:
ˇUnas fotos cojonudas!

Thank you Paolo!!!!!  :)

Love them

Paolo Nespoli is my hero!!

Forza Italia!!!


:-)

A wish to ammend my post to also send thanks to all those who made this happen, and especially to Dimitri Kondratyev for stationkeeping of the Soyuz - great job!
And also thanks to Cady Coleman that stayed sitted on his Kazbek, not shaking the spacecraft  :D

One of the best crews in the ISS!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/08/2011 01:19 pm
The BBC article is currently the fifth highest read article (popularity) and the NUMBER ONE most shared article on their site!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/08/2011 03:51 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: NavySpaceFan on 06/08/2011 03:55 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.

Watching it on my big screen, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/08/2011 03:56 pm
*Salutes the cameras*

You served us well!  ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: GoForTLI on 06/08/2011 04:04 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.

Thanks for the heads-up! :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Scia on 06/08/2011 04:15 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.
Is it on the internet anywhere?

like a download, Youtube, Anywhere?

I missed it on NASA Tv
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/08/2011 04:27 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.
Is it on the internet anywhere?

like a download, Youtube, Anywhere?

I missed it on NASA Tv

I'd stay tuned to NASA TV, they're playing todays video files now and it'll be on that I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Scia on 06/08/2011 04:51 pm
NASA TV is showing the HD Video now.
Is it on the internet anywhere?

like a download, Youtube, Anywhere?

I missed it on NASA Tv

I'd stay tuned to NASA TV, they're playing todays video files now and it'll be on that I'm sure.

Thanks

can't wait to see it
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/08/2011 05:03 pm
Found it on YT here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taTN_IGufM
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: dsky on 06/08/2011 05:10 pm
You can hear the Soyuz background noise! I was actually looking for that.
The view is breathtaking, and the sound is way cool (even if a bit monotonous)!
Good for simulator makers ... :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: dsky on 06/08/2011 05:19 pm
In your opinion (as a group), could one of these images become a new icon of human spaceflight, as much as the Earthrise picture taken by Apollo 8 crew?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/08/2011 05:27 pm
"Icon"? No. Not at all in the same boat. The Earth rising over the moon is fundamentally SO much different than a picture of the space station. I would bet 98% of the "general" public looking won't notice a difference from any other ISS picture they've seen. They do know what the Earth looks like :)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: dsky on 06/08/2011 05:38 pm
"Icon"? No. Not at all in the same boat. The Earth rising over the moon is fundamentally SO much different than a picture of the space station. I would bet 98% of the "general" public looking won't notice a difference from any other ISS picture they've seen. They do know what the Earth looks like :)

Good point. I agree in part. On the other hand these pics of the ISS have the Shuttle attached. There won't be many more like these.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: JAFO on 06/08/2011 05:38 pm
In your opinion (as a group), could one of these images become a new icon of human spaceflight, as much as the Earthrise picture taken by Apollo 8 crew?

No for a couple reasons:

-Earthrise was the first time the earth had been seen by humans in it's entirety.
-1968 was a history changing year in the US and the world: Tet Offensive, King and Kennedy assasinations, hippies, Prague Spring, Nixon elected, beginning of the environmental movement, etc.

-To the average person in 2011 this is just another spaceship picture. (which is sad.)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: rjholling on 06/08/2011 05:39 pm
In your opinion (as a group), could one of these images become a new icon of human spaceflight, as much as the Earthrise picture taken by Apollo 8 crew?
I think they are certainly inspirational and it is amazing to see the shuttle docked to a fully constructed ISS but I don't think it compares with the Apollo 8 earthrise photo.  Snapping a picture of our planet from another celestial body is in a whole different league than anything photographed in low Earth orbit.  That said, the photos are absolutely amazing and it is the crowning achievement of more than 30 years of work in making this possible.  To me the pictures represent the culmination of the true mission of the shuttle program, even more so than Hubble.  100 years from now people will look at these and marvel at what we were able to accomplish during that time with our space shuttle.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/08/2011 06:12 pm
For those interested in statistics, the thread views for this one jumped from 10,140 to 19,301 between the photo release and now.  ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/08/2011 06:28 pm
I take it back about the BBC being full of naff game shows and repeats. They are pushing the boat out on this.

Now leads Features & Analysis - which would have been an editorial decision.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: psloss on 06/08/2011 06:29 pm
In your opinion (as a group), could one of these images become a new icon of human spaceflight, as much as the Earthrise picture taken by Apollo 8 crew?
A little bit from column A, a little bit from...The Shuttle is already an icon, so maybe these images could succinctly illustrate the Shuttle era of human spaceflight for some.

I'm more skeptical of one of these becoming as iconic as those famous Earth-rise photos from December, 1968.  (Which had some advantages on the earlier Lunar Orbiter photo(s), but also demonstrate what has already been pointed out here, that timing is an important element in how these images are broadly received.)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: NavySpaceFan on 06/08/2011 06:43 pm
NASA.gov link for ENDEAVOUR Video (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?collection_id=14483&media_id=93985151&module=homepage)!!!!!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Phosphorus on 06/08/2011 06:57 pm
Not to be a spoilsport, but some strong words towards RSA and accusations of "extortion" flew on this thread a couple of days ago. It would be a good idea to have a confirmation that extortion took place. Or maybe some members here owe an apology?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Namechange User on 06/08/2011 06:59 pm
To the best of my knowledge, I saw nobody use the word "extortion". 
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/08/2011 07:02 pm
To the best of my knowledge, I saw nobody use the word "extortion". 
That's legally true, it was only implied a lot. ;)

Nice to now also have the video, by the way!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Namechange User on 06/08/2011 07:07 pm
To the best of my knowledge, I saw nobody use the word "extortion". 
That's legally true, it was only implied a lot. ;)

No it wasn't.  I said, and stand by it, that there may need to be a financial transaction that takes place given it was a Russian camera on a Russian spacecraft and past experience.  That is not extortion. 

Am I right?  Maybe, maybe not.  You certainly do not know either way and neither do I, put it is a possibility. 
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Phosphorus on 06/08/2011 07:17 pm
a couple of examples

There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.

If that's true, then that's just ridiculous. It's extortion, plan and simple.

You know what, if I were running this on the NASA side, I'd tell them to stick it, however nice the images may be.

12 years in a "partnership", and we've learned nothing. And to think the US is about to turn over all crew transportation to these guys.  :(

If this rumor is true--wow...

Did we charge the Russians for pictures taken by US astronauts, with US cameras of the Russian thrusters during the recent spacewalk?

How about installation charges and the cost of the PDGF installed on the Russian segment?

Reinforces my belief that there is no international space spacestation. Just a Russian one that happens to be attached to US/European/Japanese/Canadian one.

and by the way, while we are at it, OV-106, any confirmation that customs clearance and relevant export control procedures were actually happening or not happening?
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Namechange User on 06/08/2011 07:26 pm
and by the way, while we are at it, OV-106, any confirmation that customs clearance and relevant export control procedures were actually happening or not happening?

Ok, so some people did use it.  I hardly read every post that every person makes.  I can only speak for myself anyway and I stand by what I said.  Don't like it?  Well, that's fine.

How the heck would I know that or why would I know that?  That means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme, although that could have been used as a vehicle I suppose, relative to if there was a financial transaction. 
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: extide on 06/08/2011 07:29 pm
To the best of my knowledge, I saw nobody use the word "extortion". 
That's legally true, it was only implied a lot. ;)

No it wasn't.  I said, and stand by it, that there may need to be a financial transaction that takes place given it was a Russian camera on a Russian spacecraft and past experience.  That is not extortion. 

Am I right?  Maybe, maybe not.  You certainly do not know either way and neither do I, put it is a possibility. 

Wouldn't surprise me. Ever since we stopped giving the Russians free rides on the shuttle there has always been a floating balance between the two agencies. NASA owns several parts of the Russian segment and also launched up MRM-1 in exchange for other stuff, for example.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: RobbieCape on 06/08/2011 07:36 pm
Now on L2, full dump of all the images, currently 271 in total :)

About half a gigabyte! Absolutely amazing .

Just gone through all that. Most amazing experience I've had on the internet since I met my wife (joke, but not about how amazing the full set of images are).

And now I'm watching that Atlantis video on L2 STS-135 and feel like crying.

Who said the internet was just for porn and arguments? ;D
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Skylab on 06/08/2011 07:57 pm
By the way, for those interested (Mr. Boyle? ;) ), Nespoli left his Nikon D3s on the station, in addition to ESA's 2nd-generation 3D video and still camera (ERB-2), in return for burning up that D3x. And for the true geeks, here's the comparison of those Nikons:
http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d3s-vs-d3x
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: Space Pete on 06/08/2011 08:42 pm
a couple of examples

There are rumors that a financial transaction will have to take place.

If that's true, then that's just ridiculous. It's extortion, plan and simple.

You know what, if I were running this on the NASA side, I'd tell them to stick it, however nice the images may be.

12 years in a "partnership", and we've learned nothing. And to think the US is about to turn over all crew transportation to these guys.  :(

Fair enough, I did say that.

But, I just don't see how the costs could occur so suddenly. Before the Soyuz landing, the Russians seemed to be fine with copying the cards at the landing site, but as soon as the photography was done, they "discovered" the export controls?

If there were costs involved, the Russians should have been upfront about it from the start, otherwise, even if it may not be true, it creates the appearance that they are just adding on costs because they can.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/08/2011 10:11 pm
Here's the HD video from NASA TV on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYFu3UNENyI
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/08/2011 10:28 pm
Here's the HD video from NASA TV on YouTube.

Looks like that is about 4 minutes shorter than the HD link posted two pages back.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 06/08/2011 10:51 pm
Quote
Looks like that is about 4 minutes shorter than the HD link posted two pages back.

The previous one had about 3 minutes of stills at the end. Strangely in reverse order.


Keith
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: bobthemonkey on 06/09/2011 06:16 am
Front Page of the Times today.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2011 04:40 pm
Front Page of the Times today.

Excellent!

Paolo's story on the ESA site:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMQFARHPOG_index_0.html
Title: Re: Where are the Soyuz Fly about pictures?
Post by: daj24 on 06/09/2011 04:57 pm


If there were costs involved, the Russians should have been upfront about it from the start, otherwise, even if it may not be true, it creates the appearance that they are just adding on costs because they can.

Where might they have learned that?  The US airlines maybe? ???
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: spaceboy89 on 06/09/2011 05:45 pm
BBC have added the video now, and is the first video on the front page :) :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13719297

Huw doesn't sound particulary impressed....but then again he never does!  ;)


PS will definitely be upgrading to L2 after my exams finish next week....though this is already an epic site!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/09/2011 06:29 pm
BBC have added the video now, and is the first video on the front page :) :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13719297

Huw doesn't sound particulary impressed....but then again he never does!  ;)


PS will definitely be upgrading to L2 after my exams finish next week....though this is already an epic site!

Nice one mate, good luck with the exams!

Yeah, Huw doesn't get excited about anything :D Although that is currently ranked the third most watched video on the BBC site.

I'm telling ya, if you put space flight in people's faces, they'll lap it up!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: trekkie604 on 06/10/2011 04:29 am
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:

(http://link.trekcubed.com/desktops/trek_desktop0611_s500.jpg)

Image: http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/#/d3ii7y8 (http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/#/d3ii7y8)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: majormajor42 on 06/10/2011 07:34 am
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:


and now it is mine too.  thanks!

What strikes me is the clarity.  never really though about it before but if you take a picture like this of something that big and far away on the surface, the atmosphere does get in the way of the photo. a little fog or haze. Take a pic of a mountain scene and the hills that are farther away will be a little washed out. Not here, these shuttle/iss pics are crystal. I know that's always been the case but I guess I never thought about it before.

or maybe it is just that the cameras are better?
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: wjbarnett on 06/10/2011 10:58 am
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/10/2011 02:17 pm
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:

Could you do it in 1920x1200 (I won't leave my 5:4 screen ever).
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: trekkie604 on 06/10/2011 02:59 pm
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:

Could you do it in 1920x1200 (I won't leave my 5:4 screen ever).

Will do, after I get home from work. May tweak the blues too, it looks a little too blue on my laptop.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: avollhar on 06/10/2011 04:22 pm
trekkie604 did great job with his wallpaper! I took another photo from Paolo (iss027e012224.jpg) and rotated a little bit around to get the direction of incident light correct..

Sorry if this becomes OT..
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 06/10/2011 04:55 pm
Holy moly!! Nothing off topic about that awesome work from trekkie604 and avollhar.

Superb!
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: trekkie604 on 06/11/2011 07:03 pm
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:

Could you do it in 1920x1200 (I won't leave my 5:4 screen ever).

Now at 1920x1200

http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/art/A-Visit-From-Endeavour-212481728 (http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/art/A-Visit-From-Endeavour-212481728)
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Aobrien on 06/12/2011 03:18 am
Well a picture finally hit Foxnews.com. But it didn't even get its own article. Just a small mention
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2011/06/11/eyepoppers-best-science-photos-week/?test=faces#slide=8
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: RamjetFDO on 06/13/2011 01:20 pm
Well a picture finally hit Foxnews.com. But it didn't even get its own article. Just a small mention
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2011/06/11/eyepoppers-best-science-photos-week/?test=faces#slide=8

I saw an article on Foxnews.com immediately after MSNBC.com posted theirs...  don't have access to the link at the moment, but I definitely saw it.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: baldusi on 06/13/2011 02:35 pm
These images are truly awesome. Made myself a new wallpaper:

Could you do it in 1920x1200 (I won't leave my 5:4 screen ever).

Now at 1920x1200

http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/art/A-Visit-From-Endeavour-212481728 (http://trekkie604.deviantart.com/art/A-Visit-From-Endeavour-212481728)

Thank you! I've actually wondered if I should open my spreadsheet or keep contemplating.
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: Aobrien on 06/13/2011 03:24 pm
Well a picture finally hit Foxnews.com. But it didn't even get its own article. Just a small mention
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2011/06/11/eyepoppers-best-science-photos-week/?test=faces#slide=8

I saw an article on Foxnews.com immediately after MSNBC.com posted theirs...  don't have access to the link at the moment, but I definitely saw it.
Oh really? I must have somehow missed it. I was watching it all day that day and the next. A link would be great
Title: Re: The Soyuz "Flyabout" Picture Update Thread
Post by: vt_hokie on 06/13/2011 10:06 pm
trekkie604 did great job with his wallpaper! I took another photo from Paolo (iss027e012224.jpg) and rotated a little bit around to get the direction of incident light correct..

Sorry if this becomes OT..

Stunning!  Nice work!