Quote from: rfmwguy on 10/12/2015 04:07 pmUhhh, am I delusional?IMHO yes, that is delusional. I think the issue is veritcal vs. horizontal. If you know you will have veritical lift, then measure horizontally, i.e. rotational. Put a nice vertical stopper so anything up or down doesn't get measured. Get one of those gizmos that allows a 180 degree flip so you go clockwise or counter clockwise by flipping the whole gizmo on demand. Not sure what that means in an actual implementation, but if you can flip 180 degrees and measure something horizontally, all the hot air balloon arguments go away, or at least, should go away.IMHO
Uhhh, am I delusional?
Quote from: SeeShells on 10/12/2015 04:20 amPS: If I do decide to ramp my testing up to a point where it would be a business would that fact make it not as amateurish?Actually, having done a few startups in my time, and having a bunch of vultural capitalists in tow, I could make you a "scientist" with a wave of the magic wand, but it might turn you into a business lady.The investment issues here is that there are pre-existing patent pendings, few if any physicists that think any of this is real, and no one who's written a business plan detailing how to get a 100 to 1 return on investment at a 30% probability if they invest.I could sell this to a VC on the following conditions:1. The "experimentor" has prior startup experience2. The "experimentor" has a solid business plan if it works.3. The "experimentor" won't get their ass in court for patent infringement.4. The "experimentor" has something that either as patentable or has a trade secret that is unique.5. The "experimentor" has data that looks fantastic in a power point presentation (doesn't have to be real)6. The "experimentor" is willing to lose control of their company on demand and bow and scrape before a "hot" CEO who has no clue what's happening and will most likely tank the business.Absent the above, everyone is back to "Go Fund Me"Two quotes I've personally lived through to keep in mind. 1. It doesn't matter what is that counts, it only matters what people think it is that counts.2. In 30 years of investment banking, I've never heard a bad story.
PS: If I do decide to ramp my testing up to a point where it would be a business would that fact make it not as amateurish?
Quote from: glennfish on 10/12/2015 11:34 pmQuote from: RotoSequence on 10/12/2015 11:20 pmQuote from: glennfish on 10/12/2015 11:15 pm...if you can flip 180 degrees and measure something horizontally, all the hot air balloon arguments go away, or at least, should go away.They won't. There are too many people (not necessarily here) who are emotionally invested in these experiments being false positives for any experiment to satisfy them. I don't think any publisher short of Nature or Physical Review Letters will convince them that there's a real effect.Aw come-on. I thought I had a brilliant idea. Are you the dark lord of winter? A bit glum after a few too many "frauds," "meme-drives," "no credible research group is attempting to replicates," and "they'll never get signal above the noise floors." Sorry to be a Debbie Downer.
Quote from: RotoSequence on 10/12/2015 11:20 pmQuote from: glennfish on 10/12/2015 11:15 pm...if you can flip 180 degrees and measure something horizontally, all the hot air balloon arguments go away, or at least, should go away.They won't. There are too many people (not necessarily here) who are emotionally invested in these experiments being false positives for any experiment to satisfy them. I don't think any publisher short of Nature or Physical Review Letters will convince them that there's a real effect.Aw come-on. I thought I had a brilliant idea. Are you the dark lord of winter?
Quote from: glennfish on 10/12/2015 11:15 pm...if you can flip 180 degrees and measure something horizontally, all the hot air balloon arguments go away, or at least, should go away.They won't. There are too many people (not necessarily here) who are emotionally invested in these experiments being false positives for any experiment to satisfy them. I don't think any publisher short of Nature or Physical Review Letters will convince them that there's a real effect.
...if you can flip 180 degrees and measure something horizontally, all the hot air balloon arguments go away, or at least, should go away.
... I also suggest that all of us should look deeper into how Roger Shawyer designed and built his 2nd generation, 100kg rotary copper frustum test rig. Why? Because I think Roger's use of spherical end-caps in his 2nd gen copper frustum and on, AND the use of resonant mode frequency tracking and active feedback driven tuning of the frustum RF system, either mechanically and/or electronically, are the key elements needed to produce large impulsive thrust signals that measure in the hundreds of milli-Newton (mN).Best, Paul March
Quote from: glennfish on 10/12/2015 11:31 pmQuote from: SeeShells on 10/12/2015 04:20 amPS: If I do decide to ramp my testing up to a point where it would be a business would that fact make it not as amateurish?Actually, having done a few startups in my time, and having a bunch of vultural capitalists in tow, I could make you a "scientist" with a wave of the magic wand, but it might turn you into a business lady.The investment issues here is that there are pre-existing patent pendings, few if any physicists that think any of this is real, and no one who's written a business plan detailing how to get a 100 to 1 return on investment at a 30% probability if they invest.I could sell this to a VC on the following conditions:1. The "experimentor" has prior startup experience2. The "experimentor" has a solid business plan if it works.3. The "experimentor" won't get their ass in court for patent infringement.4. The "experimentor" has something that either as patentable or has a trade secret that is unique.5. The "experimentor" has data that looks fantastic in a power point presentation (doesn't have to be real)6. The "experimentor" is willing to lose control of their company on demand and bow and scrape before a "hot" CEO who has no clue what's happening and will most likely tank the business.Absent the above, everyone is back to "Go Fund Me"Two quotes I've personally lived through to keep in mind. 1. It doesn't matter what is that counts, it only matters what people think it is that counts.2. In 30 years of investment banking, I've never heard a bad story.Been there, done that. Several times.I can deliver 1 - 6, with 6 being conditional on my payout.
Quote from: Star-Drive on 10/12/2015 04:05 pm... I also suggest that all of us should look deeper into how Roger Shawyer designed and built his 2nd generation, 100kg rotary copper frustum test rig. Why? Because I think Roger's use of spherical end-caps in his 2nd gen copper frustum and on, AND the use of resonant mode frequency tracking and active feedback driven tuning of the frustum RF system, either mechanically and/or electronically, are the key elements needed to produce large impulsive thrust signals that measure in the hundreds of milli-Newton (mN).Best, Paul MarchSpot on and where I'm going.And yes I fully agree, we can make 100mN or more DIY EMDrives but there is a recipe that needs to be followed.
Hey, our good friend Chris Bergin made some Tech Times news!http://www.techtimes.com/articles/93272/20151010/is-spacex-going-to-mars-rumors-of-a-red-planet-mission-circulate-after-cryptic-tweet-from-space-journalist.htmAttaboy Chris, keep 'em guessing!
Unless I'm missing something, it really looks bad when you conflate radius and diameter. What else do we have to guess at to understand your approach? Is the center of curvature for the endplates a radius? What is its origin? Be clear. Be concise. Be careful. No handwaving allowed. None. If you choose to publish drawings, they should be of sufficient quality that another person, "schooled in the art", can replicate your device and results.
This is the Eagleworks setup.None dummy load to test for EMC, static and magnetic effects.
Quote from: TheTraveller on 10/13/2015 12:08 amThis is the Eagleworks setup.None dummy load to test for EMC, static and magnetic effects.Where did you get the photos? The last two pictures seemed new. Are they published?
Quote from: Tellmeagain on 10/13/2015 02:45 amQuote from: TheTraveller on 10/13/2015 12:08 amThis is the Eagleworks setup.None dummy load to test for EMC, static and magnetic effects.Where did you get the photos? The last two pictures seemed new. Are they published?From Paul's attachments shared on NSF. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=attach;u=2074I downloaded ALL of his attachments and put them into a folder for easy access.
Quote from: TheTraveller on 10/13/2015 04:04 amQuote from: Tellmeagain on 10/13/2015 02:45 amQuote from: TheTraveller on 10/13/2015 12:08 amThis is the Eagleworks setup.None dummy load to test for EMC, static and magnetic effects.Where did you get the photos? The last two pictures seemed new. Are they published?From Paul's attachments shared on NSF. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=attach;u=2074I downloaded ALL of his attachments and put them into a folder for easy access.Thank you! I thought he went silent. It seems he is active again.
Yeah; but he still cannot divulge much. for instance did the test article ever get sent to and accepted at Glenn? I don't think he has said. If he did I missed it. An affirmative answer would almost have to mean they met the stated thrust signal goal involved.
We are also preparing to test our copper frustum in another NASA test facility as part of an Independent Verification & Validation (IV&V) requirement mandated by JSC management, but again that is several months off, so it will take even more time to divulge those test results, pro or con.
If that refers to Glenn then they got the consistent thrust level they were shooting for in order to do that. So they got their what? 100 110 mn? milestone. Whatever it was they did it!
Quote from: Stormbringer on 10/13/2015 05:07 amIf that refers to Glenn then they got the consistent thrust level they were shooting for in order to do that. So they got their what? 100 110 mn? milestone. Whatever it was they did it! microNewtons not milliNewtons