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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #120 on: 01/08/2013 03:43 pm »
it is a study and not anything going forward.

Not to get political, but it's not clear that anything at all is going forward except for SLS/Orion.  The ECLSS study, I'd think, was based on a mission and hardware that at the time (2011) were thought not to be entirely fanciful. That's not to say that it will actually happen, of course.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #121 on: 01/08/2013 10:49 pm »
That has GOT to be one of the most content-empty abstracts I've ever seen, even for something out of a NASA regional center/contractor make-work project. 

The people who are planning a this concept need to stop wasting their time with idealized notional plans and bury their heads on the PDR and CDR FMEA documents for the Space Station Freedom/ISS ECLSS, and then compare those to the almost 20 years since then worth of operational data.  THAT'S how you're going to do real design work for the next long-duration spacecraft ECLSS. 

Sorry Herb but that's not the NASA way. The NASA way is to launch a 2 year study to create a list of everything they already have that would work well, make sure everything on that list gets thrown out, dismantled or destroyed and then start all over again from scratch.

What ever happened to "If it ain't broke then don't fix it"?
Nobody at NASA has ever heard of that. Its blasphemy! Use old stuff? Never! Somebody designed it that doesn't work here? No no no no! Can't do that - under any circumstances.

If you want something done efficiently then give it to a commercial contractor that has no NASA ties.
If you don't give a rat's ass how much it costs or how long it takes then NASA's your guy. They WILL do a good job - that's a fact. But only the US Treasury will be able to cover the cost.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #122 on: 04/19/2013 02:49 am »
Does anyone have the soft copies of the links to pdfs they could either post or email to me?  thanks!

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #123 on: 04/19/2013 01:58 pm »
Sorry Herb but that's not the NASA way. The NASA way is to launch a 2 year study to create a list of everything they already have that would work well, make sure everything on that list gets thrown out, dismantled or destroyed and then start all over again from scratch.

Gosh, Chuck.  Ain't that a bit harsh?  Like this guy below sez:

Cite?

And since there is the stated need for NASA to only build one-off missions...

Cite?
Sometimes I just flat out don't get it.

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #124 on: 04/20/2013 12:40 am »
Sorry Herb but that's not the NASA way. The NASA way is to launch a 2 year study to create a list of everything they already have that would work well, make sure everything on that list gets thrown out, dismantled or destroyed and then start all over again from scratch.

Gosh, Chuck.  Ain't that a bit harsh? 

Harsh? Yes
True?  Also Yes
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #125 on: 04/20/2013 05:03 am »
Sorry Herb but that's not the NASA way. The NASA way is to launch a 2 year study to create a list of everything they already have that would work well, make sure everything on that list gets thrown out, dismantled or destroyed and then start all over again from scratch.

Gosh, Chuck.  Ain't that a bit harsh? 

Harsh? Yes
True?  Also Yes



'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' and may cause politicians, bean counters, and NASA Administrators to gain some respect for 'If it ain't broke, don't reinvent it'. 

As for me, I'm looking for a LEM.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #126 on: 04/20/2013 07:27 pm »
Sorry Herb but that's not the NASA way. The NASA way is to launch a 2 year study to create a list of everything they already have that would work well, make sure everything on that list gets thrown out, dismantled or destroyed and then start all over again from scratch.

Gosh, Chuck.  Ain't that a bit harsh? 

Harsh? Yes
True?  Also Yes



'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' and may cause politicians, bean counters, and NASA Administrators to gain some respect for 'If it ain't broke, don't reinvent it'. 

As for me, I'm looking for a LEM.

That book was a REALLY good read by the way :)
« Last Edit: 04/21/2013 12:42 pm by clongton »
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #127 on: 04/20/2013 09:29 pm »

That book was a REALLY good by the way


Yep.  Been a while, think I might read it again. :)

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #128 on: 04/21/2013 01:02 am »
I addressed the solution to the "harsh mistress" in my first post.  That advice was not taken.  Heck, I was fifteen or so when I read it, sixteen by the time they landed for the first time, seventeen by the time I gave my advice.  At the time, to me, I always thougt that an off planet base had been promised by my government.  Inspire the children and all that. You know.  Government of, by, and for the sheople, yada yada.

Grammar edit.
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Sometimes I just flat out don't get it.

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #129 on: 10/07/2013 01:59 pm »
Are there plans/ drawings of the MMSEV?  I am trying to make one for Orbiter a FREE Space simulator.

But I may have it too wide as a rover base doesn't fit and stretched out looks too wide.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71242599/mmsevrover5.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71242599/mmsevrover6.jpg


« Last Edit: 10/07/2013 07:55 pm by Chris Bergin »

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #130 on: 10/07/2013 02:28 pm »
Are there plans/ drawings of the MMSEV?  I am trying to make one for Orbiter a FREE Space simulator.

But I may have it too wide as a rover base doesn't fit and stretched out looks too wide.
Take a look at this URL:
http://www.doobybrain.com/2012/06/29/nasas-msev-multi-mission-space-exploration-vehicle-concept/

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #131 on: 10/07/2013 02:36 pm »
Thanks.  I have seen it before.  It looks like there might be 2 body styles.  One in space and then the rover one.  I know the LER is different.

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #132 on: 10/27/2013 06:32 am »
New window configuration (bottom left). Image taken by Ross Taylor on 22 Oct. 2013.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #133 on: 10/27/2013 03:26 pm »
It looks like the docking ports on the side stick out more on the new design.

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #134 on: 12/05/2013 10:23 am »
Here's a better view of it.

Image taken on October 25th, 2013 by Paul Ausman.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #135 on: 02/10/2014 06:31 am »
Here's a photo I took in Building 9 back in June - the MMSEV window structure at the time was a fiberglass layup in progress.

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #136 on: 05/14/2015 03:14 pm »
It appears theirs more life in the MMSEV, called the Alternate MMSEV:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20140004223.pdf

including a lunar lander!

according to this:
http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/gs2013/pdf/6008.pdf
dated 2013 a filth MMSEV was built to evaluate a lunar lander concept.
« Last Edit: 05/14/2015 03:50 pm by BrightLight »

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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #137 on: 08/07/2015 10:14 pm »
The SEV mock-up looks pretty much the same as of August 6th 2015.
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #138 on: 08/17/2015 06:33 pm »
NASA's Rapid Prototyping Laboratory aiming for Mars

http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4440041/5/NASAs-Rapid-Prototyping-Laboratory-aiming-for-Mars

Covers some general systems
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Re: Space Exploration Vehicle Concept
« Reply #139 on: 11/19/2015 05:03 pm »
A recent paper on modular exploration vehicles and habitats was published by A.S. Howe of JPL, attached is the document and one of the concepts for a modular lander.

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