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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1300 on: 05/18/2017 11:52 PM »
And that is an entirely reasonable approach for both sides. Start small. Understand the impact. Mitigate if necessary. Revise as needed. Very prudent and pragmatic approach.

Not sure I agree.... building a spaceport is a very significant investment. Build it somewhere that will support your expected volumes.  Not just hope for the best.

So I expect there is some understanding that yes, volumes will ramp, and that it will be OK.  Else it's possibly a huge waste
I agree they anticipate increased launch rates and thus can justify the investment but nothing ensuring future launch rates will be increased appears to exist. On the other hand, there really aren't other great options for where to put a launch facility in the continental US as discussed above.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1301 on: 05/19/2017 10:42 AM »
I'm having a lot of trouble with the notion that things at the launch pad shifting would be ok. The rocket presumably needs to be perfectly vertical when raised, and the forces to raise it will be considerable. 

I can see that maybe they are going to achieve this some other way (a lot of really deep pilings tied together with structural steel or something? ...
I also suspect the pad will be built on very deep friction piles.

Here's a question for the community: If a hurricane comes around and floods the launch pad with water, assuming SpaceX has warning and can prepare for this, is there any permanent part of the launch pad that would be damaged by being submerged in saltwater?

Perhaps this is why SpaceX chose soil surcharging for the pad hangar but not for the launch pad itself.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1302 on: 05/19/2017 03:04 PM »
 One thing that made sense was the bulldozer operator saying that the pad had to be up there for the exhaust to avoid harming the dunes. Those little piles of sand between the pad and water are what keeps the area from turning into part of the Gulf.
 More crane puzzle pieces are here this morning. Snuck through before the road work started back up.
 It's starting to look like one of the big Appletons. The base is around 13 feet.
 The owner of 8 Weems is clearing the place out this morning. Says he unloaded it to a buyer who asked to remain anonymous. I'm not sure who they think they're fooling. The snowbirds are all gone. Just me, the Heatons and our little former ghost town.
« Last Edit: 05/19/2017 04:02 PM by Nomadd »

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1303 on: 05/19/2017 03:26 PM »
One thing that made sense was the bulldozer operator saying that the pad had to be up there for the exhaust to avoid harming the dunes. Those little piles of sand between the pad and water are what keeps the area from turning into part of the Gulf.
 More crane puzzle pieces are here this morning. Snuck through before the road work started back up. I'd still guess the boom for Saturday if it's near.
 It's starting to look like one of the big Appletons. The base is around 13 feet.
 The owner of 8 Weems is clearing the place out this morning. Says he unloaded it to a buyer who asked to remain anonymous. I'm not sure who they think they're fooling.

So the top image is a water tank I guess, and what is the second image is it apart of the crane

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1304 on: 05/19/2017 03:35 PM »
So the top image is a water tank I guess

Could be the base(?) of the crane:


You can even see the hatch in the picture.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1305 on: 05/19/2017 04:04 PM »
 Looks like they finished paving early.
 I thought that base was big until the boom got here. Paced off around 130 feet.
 It looks like an overhead. I'm going to stop guessing what's going on here. Back to digging post holes in clay.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1306 on: 05/19/2017 04:14 PM »
That's booster sized!
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1307 on: 05/19/2017 05:48 PM »
Now how can we ferret out if SpaceX  bought this or is renting/long term leasing it? It sure looks brand new.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1308 on: 05/19/2017 05:52 PM »
wow, thats different. like a mobile gantry?

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1309 on: 05/19/2017 06:02 PM »
i think "Thing 3" from above connects to the top of the boxy base we saw earlier. the attachments points line up better at around 8' apart. then in looks like at the top of Thing3, some of the others narrower struts attach where its a bit narrower at 4'

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1310 on: 05/19/2017 06:08 PM »
thanks again for the photos nomadd, these are great

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1311 on: 05/19/2017 06:11 PM »
Back to digging post holes in clay.

Makes my back hurt just thinking of doing that. Auger or clam shell?

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1312 on: 05/19/2017 06:15 PM »
Looks like they finished paving early.
 I thought that base was big until the boom got here. Paced off around 130 feet.
 It looks like an overhead. I'm going to stop guessing what's going on here. Back to digging post holes in clay.

So that's the crane boom? It's huge.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1313 on: 05/19/2017 06:29 PM »
something like this?

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1314 on: 05/19/2017 07:07 PM »
Back to digging post holes in clay.

Makes my back hurt just thinking of doing that. Auger or clam shell?
Rock bar and a post hole digger. Half the reason I'm doing it is for the exercise. Every six feet, being hurricane country.

i think "Thing 3" from above connects to the top of the boxy base we saw earlier. the attachments points line up better at around 8' apart. then in looks like at the top of Thing3, some of the others narrower struts attach where its a bit narrower at 4'
I'm not real creative in naming my photos.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1315 on: 05/19/2017 07:35 PM »
something like this?

This crane is starting to look like what they need installed on top of 39A to do vertical integration...  ???

WTH is this to be used for in south Texas... <I'm very confused>  :P

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1316 on: 05/19/2017 07:41 PM »
Rock bar and a post hole digger. Half the reason I'm doing it is for the exercise. Every six feet, being hurricane country.


In case of hurricane, tear off at perforation?

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1317 on: 05/19/2017 07:43 PM »

WTH is this to be used for in south Texas... <I'm very confused>  :P

It must be sized for ITS. Near term use with building the pad. Long term use with moving ITS boosters, tankers, and spaceships around.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1318 on: 05/19/2017 07:47 PM »
something like this?

This crane is starting to look like what they need installed on top of 39A to do vertical integration...  ???

WTH is this to be used for in south Texas... <I'm very confused>  :P

Maybe this IS the crane for 39A, and they just needed somewhere to stage it until the modifications for Falcon Heavy commence?

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 4
« Reply #1319 on: 05/19/2017 08:05 PM »
you'd think if this isnt going to be on tracks it'd be on the EIS map?

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