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New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« on: 01/01/2008 07:51 PM »
Hello,

I've just downloaded and installed Space Shuttle Mission 2007 from here:
http://www.space-shuttle-mission.com/index.html

I'm playing around with the STS-1 mission and it seems pretty cool so far. I would be interested in seeing if anyone else here have tried this out yet? For those NASA insiders that have, how realistic do you think it is?

Al

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #1 on: 01/01/2008 08:09 PM »
I'm used to Orbiter, but I'd love to give this a go.

Just one thing, no free demo to try before you buy? That's a little harsh. If you had one of those up, I could give it a fair go before deciding.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #2 on: 01/01/2008 08:19 PM »
I've played around with Orbiter and like it. I don't work for them but I agree that a demo would be nice. I'll post that as a suggestion in their forum. You can download the reference guides from their downloads section. I did that and after reading through it, I figured I would give it a go.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #3 on: 01/01/2008 08:27 PM »
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I've played around with Orbiter and like it.

Is this new shuttle simulator connected to Orbiter?

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #4 on: 01/01/2008 08:30 PM »
No, it's a stand alone sim and doesn't require Orbiter....It reminds me of the space shuttle simulator that was released way back in 1991 I think from Virgin (Vektor Grafix) but with modern graphics and sound...

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #5 on: 01/01/2008 09:37 PM »
This is S3's sequel.  S3 was very fun.  I'm hoping this is better, though.  STS-1 and STS-8 would be great to play.

I hope they give a demo... This looks great!

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #6 on: 01/01/2008 09:50 PM »
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aloper - 1/1/2008  4:19 PM

I've played around with Orbiter and like it.

Is this new shuttle simulator connected to Orbiter?

Thanks - I didn't understand the connection when you mentioned... An early review would be wonderful - looks pretty awesome from the trailer and manual.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #7 on: 01/01/2008 09:54 PM »
It's quite okay, but it has its flaws. Some large ones while some are things that'll just bother people like NSF-people ;)

First of all the main engines start at T-5.00 instead of at T-6.6 seconds
The roll program takes roughly 1-2 seconds
The HUD is nonsensible during final approach, it basically doesn't help you at all
You approach the runway at over 400 knots and aren't supposed to start the pre-flare until about 1000 feet at which time you're at about 450 knots.
All flights have the MEDS-display cockpit.
Columbia doesn't have the black color on the upper wings that made her so recognisable
STS-121 suddenly lands at night while STS-116 (technically still a daylight-landing) that landed at sunset lands in broad daylight.

These are the ones I've spotted so far. To most people this wouldn't matter much, but it bugs me a lot!

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #8 on: 01/01/2008 09:55 PM »
What was S3?
I posted in their forums about the possiblitly of a demo. The reply was "Sorry no demo for now"...

Here is the mission list that is included:
STS-1, STS-8, STS-26, STS-31, STS-88, STS-96, STS-103, STS-121, STS-116 and STS-117.

I'm playing through the STS-96 mission now. I wasn't paying attention and missed some things to do with OPS202...missed docking with the station...

Al



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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #9 on: 01/01/2008 10:05 PM »
I'm enjoying it so far...not being NSF person, but I did notice one thing also. Go to the outside view during ET sep. On mine, the tank sort of pops off and then slides back, almost along the bottom of the shuttle. I believe in real life that tank falls up and then away in a arc while the shuttle is firing rcs to move away from the tank.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #10 on: 01/01/2008 10:13 PM »
All of the flaws mentioned in this thread are completely non-existent in Orbiter, because it's a community supported project that focuses on realism wherever possible. It's also freeware...

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #11 on: 01/01/2008 10:23 PM »
I use the shuttle fleet expansion pack in Orbiter and really like it.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #12 on: 01/01/2008 10:50 PM »
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I believe in real life that tank falls up and then away in a arc while the shuttle is firing rcs to move away from the tank.

Since the shuttle rolls heads up around T+6 minutes nowadays, the tank actually falls down :-)
(but for the time untill the late 90s you are right of course)
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OV-104, OV-105

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #13 on: 01/01/2008 11:19 PM »
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I believe in real life that tank falls up and then away in a arc while the shuttle is firing rcs to move away from the tank.

Since the shuttle rolls heads up around T+6 minutes nowadays, the tank actually falls down :-)
(but for the time untill the late 90s you are right of course)

I forgot about the roll to heads up!  ;)

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RE: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #14 on: 01/01/2008 11:22 PM »
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Looks just like Orbiter, expect they want you to part with $50. No thank you, I'm not stupid.

This appears to offer much more switchology than Orbiter doesn't it? Plus don't you need to download a boatload of add-ons to Orbiter to get the shuttle stuff to come close to reality?

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #15 on: 01/01/2008 11:38 PM »
You can download add-ons, but you get a stock Atlantis (with a satellite [not real, of course]) that you can launch, achieve orbit, jettison the satellite, deorbit, and land.

With the add-ons, though, you get more missions, and more things to do.  If you don't have $50, Orbiter is the way to go.  If you have $50, and don't know what to spend it on, either get L2 here, or SSM2007 (or both!)

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RE: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #16 on: 01/03/2008 12:57 AM »
I'm moving this back on to the forum after reveiwing a moderator delete.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #17 on: 01/03/2008 01:23 PM »
Thanks... Now that it's been out for a few - can anyone post a "full" review? I realize there are some minor timing issues, but overall if you're the type that likes to read on L2 would you enjoy the close following of flight plans on SSM? I've looked more into Orbiter and it appears just to simular the orbital process, not really a mission.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #18 on: 01/03/2008 01:32 PM »
I've not played this sim and I don't plan to. For me, Orbiter provides a much more open ended environment. I can play STS-1 or STS-121 in Orbiter or I can make up my own mission and that's something you don't get in this new Sim.

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Re: New Space Shuttle Simulator!
« Reply #19 on: 01/03/2008 09:37 PM »
Id be tempted to get this but without a demo im not paying for it without trying it first.

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