Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 06/15/2017 08:49 pmBack to tourism - its part of the "hospitality market", where events, even stressful ones, are usually in some way attached to resorts/hotels.I disagree with that completely. You don't have to rent a room to be a tourist.
Back to tourism - its part of the "hospitality market", where events, even stressful ones, are usually in some way attached to resorts/hotels.
QuoteSo Ron, suggest that Bigelow would likely be the best authority on actual "space tourism" (and when it'll happen).Not sure why, since Bigelow's initial market is sovereign states, not space hotels - at least the last time I heard.
So Ron, suggest that Bigelow would likely be the best authority on actual "space tourism" (and when it'll happen).
QuoteBecause a "space resort" as a hub/destination for such would be the "magnet" for such. Imagine eventually some kind of "space Disneyland" as the ultimate direction, way beyond Space Mountain. Or perhaps a hotel on the Moon, with scenic mountains illuminated by earth shine.My observation on tourism is that it is an outgrowth of industry and commerce, not a leader. For instance, Disneyland could not have been built without the surrounding area already being developed and a ready supply of workers who had reasonably affordable & comfortable places to live.
Because a "space resort" as a hub/destination for such would be the "magnet" for such. Imagine eventually some kind of "space Disneyland" as the ultimate direction, way beyond Space Mountain. Or perhaps a hotel on the Moon, with scenic mountains illuminated by earth shine.
I just don't see that being able to be duplicated in space until we have a large population in space - which won't happen anytime soon.
QuoteBack to adventurism:The point is a worthy and lifelong accomplishment. For those of extreme wealth, there is a "power" aspect to it as well, to trade in the risk of life....I think the difference between tourism and adventurers is that tourism has little risk.
Back to adventurism:The point is a worthy and lifelong accomplishment. For those of extreme wealth, there is a "power" aspect to it as well, to trade in the risk of life.
Sure, you could die on a roller coaster, but the odds are probably lower than you dying from many other routine things like getting hit by a car in the parking lot of the theme park.
For an adventurer though there is far more risk, especially if they are doing something not yet proven by others. That's why I view activities like Virgin Galactic sub-orbital rides are tourism, but at least the first private flyby of the Moon as being done by adventurers.
Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 06/15/2017 08:49 pmA little background. Have professionally analyzed the "space tourism" market. As a professional, you don't have the option to rename/redefine.So what is the precise definition, or at least precise enough for this conversation? Anyone not professionally going into space, anyone in space who is not specifically contracted or employed by a national space program?
A little background. Have professionally analyzed the "space tourism" market. As a professional, you don't have the option to rename/redefine.
Question: If employees of a company like BO were to ride NS into space, would they be tourists?
Would they be if they were not actively functioning as test pilots---is there anything such crew could do, even if they were "on the clock," since the entire flight is automated?
I think that BO is likely to send a few people up on NS at the very least, which would necessarily happen before they get NG up and running.
^In an admittedly blunt way, I am pointing out those who pay for these trips are not professional astronauts.
Training aside, they're essentially just passengers and won't be responsible for either piloting or repair of these systems. The criteria that one must have trained for spaceflight to have a valid opinion on this is admittedly a very high bar (exceedingly few of the global population has had that luxury) and it would almost certainly rule out the majority of people on these boards from participating in further discussions.
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 06/15/2017 09:11 pmQuote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 06/15/2017 08:49 pmBack to tourism - its part of the "hospitality market", where events, even stressful ones, are usually in some way attached to resorts/hotels.I disagree with that completely. You don't have to rent a room to be a tourist.No, you don't. But you often do. Usually as part of a package. When you pay for something big, it usually comes as a package...
QuoteQuoteSo Ron, suggest that Bigelow would likely be the best authority on actual "space tourism" (and when it'll happen).Not sure why, since Bigelow's initial market is sovereign states, not space hotels - at least the last time I heard.A precursor in the hospitality market is to arrange venues for matters of state. Originally many embassies were run , or in, or converted hotels. Same business.
QuoteQuoteBecause a "space resort" as a hub/destination for such would be the "magnet" for such. Imagine eventually some kind of "space Disneyland" as the ultimate direction, way beyond Space Mountain. Or perhaps a hotel on the Moon, with scenic mountains illuminated by earth shine.My observation on tourism is that it is an outgrowth of industry and commerce, not a leader. For instance, Disneyland could not have been built without the surrounding area already being developed and a ready supply of workers who had reasonably affordable & comfortable places to live.Tourism and hospitality are among the oldest businesses. They predate modern economies.(Not to boor you, but I was ignorant as well about this, and had a crash course on it on a long Pacific flight ending with a visit to one of the largest resorts in the world. But if you bother to look into it, yes, you'll understand what I've said above.)
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How SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin and others compete in the growing space tourism marketPUBLISHED SAT, SEP 26 2020 9:30 AM EDT UPDATED 5 HOURS AGOMichael Sheetz@THESHEETZTWEETZThere’s an emerging industry thought to be only science fiction not too long ago that’s close to becoming a reality: space tourism.
Space consultancy @NSR_SatCom broke out its expectations for suborbital vs. orbital tourism, by 2028:Suborbital: $2.8 billion market, $10.4 billion total revenue Orbital: $610 million market, $3.6 billion total revenuecnbc.com/2020/09/26/spa…
Suborbital - no way. That's an "in what reality?" prediction.Orbital - maybe. Unlikely, but still within the realm of possibility.Honestly, analysts especially need to stop overhyping these markets. These predictions that come out range from poor to ridiculous.
Speaking as a space industry analyst who studies emerging space markets and is writing a book on space tourism... Just, like, this article is ridiculous. It's not your fault Michael. People are telling you really off-the-wall things they want investors to hear to sell reports.
The problem is short-term thinking. "We can make a poor prediction now because no one will remember it was wrong 3 years from now." Meanwhile, it will increase news coverage, investments, and sales.Space tourism is a long-term market with a long history. Perspective is key.
...a type of niche tourism, involving exploration or travel with a certain degree of risk (real or perceived), and which may require special skills and physical exertion.