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Re: Stephen Hawking Says: 100 Years to Find New Home
« Reply #60 on: 05/14/2017 01:18 PM »
I think the universe is probably only conceptual see below. There would then exist an infinite number of universes each having its own rules , constants and starting condition. Of these most will not have life, a much smaller percentage will have simple life and very few will develop intelligent life. For intelligent life to arise independently in more than one place in the same universe is going to be exceptionally rare, although life might spread from one starting planet to many others. Therefore the chances are that we live in a universe where we may be the only advanced life form.
Otherwise the other advanced life forms may just be too far way to contact with our existing technology.



To answer the question why there is SOMETHING rather than NOTHING leads to the answer that there is actually NOTHING

Except that Mathematics still exists 1 + 1 will still = 2
The universe is simply a set of rules under which a calculation is performed. It does not exist but the concept of the universe ( under that set of rules) does exist.

We are just one of the results of this calculation after it has been calculated to a point equating to about 14 Billion years. (N.B. Time does not really exist but is one of the rules of the calculation).
There is no difference from our point of view to living in a REAL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE and to living in the mathematical concept of a universe, We can not tell the difference.

Consciousness is local to one point and time in the model. Most points will have very little or none but for a few points which coincide with a critical part of a brain or possibly of a computer they have access to much more data through memory cells linked to that point

Obviously a universe can be defined by many rules and a starting condition. Therefore there are an infinite number of universes but only a small percentage will evolve to the point
that we experience.

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Re: Stephen Hawking Says: 100 Years to Find New Home
« Reply #61 on: 05/15/2017 02:34 PM »
I think humanity expanding into the solar system has the major benefit of putting humans further away from each other than 10 minutes by ICBM. Even if we did end up recreating a mutually assured destruction scenario across the entire solar system, it would give decision timescales on the order of months, not minutes.
For a variable Isp spacecraft running at constant power and constant acceleration, the mass ratio is linear in delta-v.   Δv = ve0(MR-1). Or equivalently: Δv = vef PMF. Also, this is energy-optimal for a fixed delta-v and mass ratio.

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Re: Stephen Hawking Says: 100 Years to Find New Home
« Reply #62 on: 05/16/2017 02:50 AM »
I think "we" are alone. We commit a big mistake comparing alien life with life on Earth. We are all one and the same here, we have zero variation. You and I consist of more microbial cells that have unhuman DNA, than we have cells with human DNA. So if you thought that a bacteria or a virus is exotic, surprise surprise, they ARE you!

But the aliens are totally unrelated, they don't have any single similarity with us. And the combinatorics of biology is so enormous that we know that two similar proteins never have and never will occur independently in the visible universe. For example, chlorophyll and hemoglobin are the same molecules. We know that they only exist on Earth. No plants and no animals never have and never will exist anywhere else in the universe (unless we go out there and seed it). And evolution doesn't help the slightest, because evolution is only selection of variation that happens to occur. Evolution can never relate to that which never occurs. So the question is what we are missing. What has never happened on Earth?

We're stuck with this "intelligence" which is so stupid that it cannot even begin to study its very own subjective consciousness. Consciousness is a phenomena way beyond intelligence. No one has ever even suggested a way to start to observe it, and not a single bit of data has been collected about it. What other anti-objective phenomena exist out there that intelligence is too stupid to even try to study? Aliens will not be "intelligent", they will not have "civilizations". They will have totally different kinds of phenomena. In that sense "we" are truly alone.

I think humanity expanding into the solar system has the major benefit of putting humans further away from each other than 10 minutes by ICBM. Even if we did end up recreating a mutually assured destruction scenario across the entire solar system, it would give decision timescales on the order of months, not minutes.
Weapons of mass destruction are really easy in space. Just redirect the huge kinetic energy of a comet and a planet's entire surface can be molten. If all nuclear weapons were detonated in all cities on Earth, people would just rise up, clean off the radioactive dust and keep growing their food and rebuild their Hiroshimas.
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Re: Stephen Hawking Says: 100 Years to Find New Home
« Reply #63 on: 05/16/2017 06:19 AM »
My saying that we cannot know anything about the aliens isn't very helpful for finding out the next step we need to take to deal with it. So lets look at something we can know about alien life.

Speed of light and the size of the galaxy necessarily means that there's no useful galactic coordination between any aliens, not even between those who have colonized stars from the same origin. A message from the center of the Milky Way would be like a cave painting in the stone age when it reaches us. If it orders us to pay every tenth grain of wheat in tax (and they didn't even have wheat back then) and cut out a stone for a pyramid, it wouldn't become our law even if the Pharaoh himself once painted that command on a wall. No one but archaeologists would care about it. That's the miserable command and control of the galactic empire.

So whatever is out there must have a huge variety. Hardly any similarities with each other, given the infinite combinatorics of biology and whatever path dependency that comes out of that in turn (like intelligence, civilization, whatnot). Thus, the worst thing possible is indeed around here in the Milky Way! How it is bad for us, we can hardly imagine. But it is there because it cannot have been defeated, it has not received any influence from anything because of the unbreakable spacetime distances.

That's how I would argue for trying to hide (which I doubt is possible, I think we must go on the offensive in order to survive). Not that we have any problem here on Earth to flee from. That's an insane mix of medieval geocentrism and current political doomsday mythology.
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Re: Stephen Hawking Says: 100 Years to Find New Home
« Reply #64 on: 05/16/2017 08:12 PM »

Are you really there, master?
Why can't I smell you? Are you dark matter now?
And how do these sonic funnels work? Should I pee in it?
(Just trying to communicate here. Do you hear me? "Helloween"! Woff.)



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