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Barge landing in 1959.
« on: 04/17/2017 09:00 PM »
I have looked, and not found this posted.
I thought it might be an interesting historical perspective.


From 'The Sky Calls' - a 1959 russian film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW5GRYVxRCY?t=3993

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #1 on: 04/17/2017 09:04 PM »
I think it was in one of the party threads once. So geez, why did you miss it!!! ??? :)

Neat clip, thanks for sharing
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #2 on: 04/17/2017 09:23 PM »
It was also posted back in the discussions when Blue Origin attempted to patent a barge landing. It is neat to see, though, and a good reminder that there isn't much in rocketry that is truly "new."
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #3 on: 04/18/2017 12:46 PM »
If you can make it that close to shore, why land on a barge?

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #4 on: 04/18/2017 05:34 PM »
If you can make it that close to shore, why land on a barge?

</pedantic>
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #5 on: 04/18/2017 06:58 PM »
If you can make it that close to shore, why land on a barge?

</pedantic>

To be even more pedantic, the people could be observing the landing from a ship.  (thus cancelling out your pedanticism) ;D 
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #6 on: 04/20/2017 05:24 PM »
Thanks! This is an interesting movie that's available in full online. It's worth googling.

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #7 on: 04/21/2017 08:22 PM »
From fiction to fact in fifty years. Science rocks.

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #8 on: 04/22/2017 04:14 AM »
From fiction to fact in fifty years. Science rocks.
Would have been less if it weren't for that wing phase where everyone got confused for a while...
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #9 on: 04/22/2017 07:34 AM »
From fiction to fact in fifty years. Science rocks.
Would have been less if it weren't for that wing phase where everyone got confused for a while...

Indeed! I've recently wondered if that is how the winged space-plane era will seem like to historians of the future - A dead end development branch that people for some reason kept insisting on.

(A lot of winged spacecraft enthusiasts do muse about what could have happened if the space development had proceeded with X-15/Dynasoar instead of rockets and Mercury, but I think they are barking up the wrong tree)

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #10 on: 04/22/2017 08:47 AM »
Don't diss wings too hard; even SpaceX is moving in the direction of lift (albeit with stubby wings / lifting bodies).

The sort of wings needed for a high crossrange and horizontal gliding landing... no, it's hard to justify them. But lift is still a good thing.

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #11 on: 04/22/2017 05:09 PM »
Don't diss wings too hard; even SpaceX is moving in the direction of lift (albeit with stubby wings / lifting bodies).

The sort of wings needed for a high crossrange and horizontal gliding landing... no, it's hard to justify them. But lift is still a good thing.
None of the VTVL apostles opposes some aerodynamic measures, whether fins, winglets, etc.

What they prinicply oppose is "space planes", horizontal landing, tail assemblies, pilots with joysticks actuating ailerons, leather jackets, hot shot radio call names, etc...

But I digress  :)

We like vertical tail-first landing, legs as opposed to landing gear, autonomous flight, and preferably auto extending ladders or ramps for vehicle egress.
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #12 on: 04/22/2017 05:15 PM »
Also, the cross range meme has to die already when it comes to the upper stage.

An orbital vehicle can achieve any amount of "cross range" much easier by executing a small burn and waiting an orbit or two.
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #13 on: 04/22/2017 05:38 PM »
I watched the movie last night on my tablet, but couldn't find a way to turn subtitles on. There was no cc button visible. Is there a trick?

I got the gist, though. Thoughtful, level-headed cosmonauts rescue greedy reckless Americans, who are eternally grateful.

The special effects were really impressive! Thanks for posting.

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #14 on: 04/22/2017 09:29 PM »
Indeed! I've recently wondered if that is how the winged space-plane era will seem like to historians of the future - A dead end development branch that people for some reason kept insisting on.

I would not be so sure about that. I think once you reenter horizontally with the upper stage (like ITS) there's a small step to runway landing, at least on Earth.
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #15 on: 04/22/2017 10:23 PM »
Indeed! I've recently wondered if that is how the winged space-plane era will seem like to historians of the future - A dead end development branch that people for some reason kept insisting on.

I would not be so sure about that. I think once you reenter horizontally with the upper stage (like ITS) there's a small step to runway landing, at least on Earth.

Not unless you remembered to bring along a pair of wings... ITS glide ratio will make all landings look like vertical landings - best to have propulsive brake ready to engage before the lithospheric one does.
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #16 on: 04/22/2017 11:34 PM »
Not unless you remembered to bring along a pair of wings... ITS glide ratio will make all landings look like vertical landings - best to have propulsive brake ready to engage before the lithospheric one does.

I think I was kidding, wings suck. :D
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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #17 on: 04/25/2017 08:47 PM »
Please show the Shuttle a bit more respect... A concept ahead of its time and ahead of the technology of the 1970s, but still a great vehicle with a very good record (Same safety record as Soyuz by the time it was retired). The Space Shuttle made space travel "normal" and I think there is still a place for winged vehicles in the future.

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Re: Barge landing in 1959.
« Reply #18 on: 04/26/2017 12:48 AM »
Please show the Shuttle a bit more respect... A concept ahead of its time and ahead of the technology of the 1970s, but still a great vehicle with a very good record (Same safety record as Soyuz by the time it was retired). The Space Shuttle made space travel "normal" and I think there is still a place for winged vehicles in the future.

Winged vehicles are best for low-G Earth EDL. Which is a niche, albeit a very useful one.

For most applications, a lifting entry with propulsive landing and parachute backup is more effective.

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