Is there a launcher available in CSG?Because Roskosmos is not very keen to deliver one these days due to the Yukos case.
Quote from: ZachS09 on 11/03/2016 02:20 pmQuote from: Jester on 11/03/2016 01:34 pmVA234 A5 ECA 20th of December 2016 at 17:30 localVS16 ST-B (Hispasat AG1) 27th of January 2017 at 22:03:34 localThat's amazing. Hispasat AG1 gets transferred from an Ariane 5ECA to a Soyuz-STB Fregat-MT. Maybe the satellite was edited a bit to fit on the Soyuz (i.e. less mass).Hispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.
Quote from: Jester on 11/03/2016 01:34 pmVA234 A5 ECA 20th of December 2016 at 17:30 localVS16 ST-B (Hispasat AG1) 27th of January 2017 at 22:03:34 localThat's amazing. Hispasat AG1 gets transferred from an Ariane 5ECA to a Soyuz-STB Fregat-MT. Maybe the satellite was edited a bit to fit on the Soyuz (i.e. less mass).
VA234 A5 ECA 20th of December 2016 at 17:30 localVS16 ST-B (Hispasat AG1) 27th of January 2017 at 22:03:34 local
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 11/03/2016 05:31 pmQuote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmEDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?Or found a way to squeeze extra performance from the Fregat-MT upper stage?Depends on the Fregat-MT number AFAIK their is version with enhanced features being developed. I doubt an enhanced Fregat-MT will have flown on a Russian Federal mission before this commercial flight starts to space.
Quote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmEDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?Or found a way to squeeze extra performance from the Fregat-MT upper stage?
EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?
AFAIK is a standard Fregat-MT, same one we used for our Galileo launches.
Will today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?
Quote from: Star One on 12/01/2016 06:46 pmWill today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?Completely different Block-I. The old Soyuz-U used the old structure with the RD-0110 gas generator engines and the old analog avionics made in Ukraine. The ST-B uses the staged combustion RD-0124 with the new structure Block-I with tank sizes optimized for the new O/F ratio and the new digital avionics made in Russia.
Quote from: baldusi on 12/01/2016 08:14 pmQuote from: Star One on 12/01/2016 06:46 pmWill today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?Completely different Block-I. The old Soyuz-U used the old structure with the RD-0110 gas generator engines and the old analog avionics made in Ukraine. The ST-B uses the staged combustion RD-0124 with the new structure Block-I with tank sizes optimized for the new O/F ratio and the new digital avionics made in Russia.unless its a common component between all versions. IF TLM downlink lasted long enough then Fault tree will be better.
Is it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?
Quote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 01/23/2017 04:22 pmQuote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.And do we know the Fregat-MT serial number?
Quote from: Stan Black on 01/26/2017 06:31 pmQuote from: SLC on 01/25/2017 02:20 pmProton grounded for at least six months?Following on from the continuing investigation into the Progress MS-04 Soyuz-U failure, even more bad news from the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), via Anatoly Zak:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_2017.htmlOn 24th January, "the Kommersant newspaper reported that a recent firing test had revealed technical problems with RD-0210 and RD-0212 engines, which propel the second and third stage of the Proton rocket respectively. The failure of the engine was reportedly traced to illegal replacement of precious heat-resistant alloys within the engine's components with less expensive but failure-prone materials."The Proton engines have now been recalled as well as the Soyuz RD-0110 ones; and it looks as if Proton will be grounded for at least six months."To be continued ...", as Zak writes with some understatement at the end of his article.(Cross-posted from the MS-04 Failure thread)From the Mission Planner’s Guide, with the introduction of the Proton-M there was:-QuoteThe structural materials of the turbine parts have been replaced with combustion-resistant nickel alloy;Given the fact that the RD-0124 used on tomorrows launch was built in the same plant, is there any concern that similar substitutions happened on those engines?
Quote from: SLC on 01/25/2017 02:20 pmProton grounded for at least six months?Following on from the continuing investigation into the Progress MS-04 Soyuz-U failure, even more bad news from the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), via Anatoly Zak:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_2017.htmlOn 24th January, "the Kommersant newspaper reported that a recent firing test had revealed technical problems with RD-0210 and RD-0212 engines, which propel the second and third stage of the Proton rocket respectively. The failure of the engine was reportedly traced to illegal replacement of precious heat-resistant alloys within the engine's components with less expensive but failure-prone materials."The Proton engines have now been recalled as well as the Soyuz RD-0110 ones; and it looks as if Proton will be grounded for at least six months."To be continued ...", as Zak writes with some understatement at the end of his article.(Cross-posted from the MS-04 Failure thread)From the Mission Planner’s Guide, with the introduction of the Proton-M there was:-QuoteThe structural materials of the turbine parts have been replaced with combustion-resistant nickel alloy;
Proton grounded for at least six months?Following on from the continuing investigation into the Progress MS-04 Soyuz-U failure, even more bad news from the Voronezh Mechanical Plant (VMZ), via Anatoly Zak:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_2017.htmlOn 24th January, "the Kommersant newspaper reported that a recent firing test had revealed technical problems with RD-0210 and RD-0212 engines, which propel the second and third stage of the Proton rocket respectively. The failure of the engine was reportedly traced to illegal replacement of precious heat-resistant alloys within the engine's components with less expensive but failure-prone materials."The Proton engines have now been recalled as well as the Soyuz RD-0110 ones; and it looks as if Proton will be grounded for at least six months."To be continued ...", as Zak writes with some understatement at the end of his article.(Cross-posted from the MS-04 Failure thread)
The structural materials of the turbine parts have been replaced with combustion-resistant nickel alloy;
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 01/23/2017 04:22 pmQuote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.That is for the next launch?This one is rocket 24/136?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1534267#msg1534267
Quote from: Stan Black on 01/27/2017 04:24 pmQuote from: russianhalo117 on 01/23/2017 04:22 pmQuote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.That is for the next launch?This one is rocket 24/136?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1534267#msg1534267This is my offer:R-15000-012 (30/136)source:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/hispasat-36w-1.html
Quote from: Alter Sachse on 01/27/2017 04:35 pmQuote from: Stan Black on 01/27/2017 04:24 pmQuote from: russianhalo117 on 01/23/2017 04:22 pmQuote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.That is for the next launch?This one is rocket 24/136?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1534267#msg1534267This is my offer:R-15000-012 (30/136)source:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/hispasat-36w-1.htmlBut Mr. Zak is quoting from the above post; the fairing he shows has a different serial number of 6/137. That is for the next launch.
Quote from: Stan Black on 01/27/2017 04:46 pmQuote from: Alter Sachse on 01/27/2017 04:35 pmQuote from: Stan Black on 01/27/2017 04:24 pmQuote from: russianhalo117 on 01/23/2017 04:22 pmQuote from: Tobi on 01/22/2017 09:22 pmIs it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115The first one listed in the post.That is for the next launch?This one is rocket 24/136?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1534267#msg1534267This is my offer:R-15000-012 (30/136)source:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/hispasat-36w-1.htmlBut Mr. Zak is quoting from the above post; the fairing he shows has a different serial number of 6/137. That is for the next launch.One thing s clear: R15000-012(roll-out Video 0:26 sec)
Waiting for more confirmation (AOS).Article:https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/01/arianespace-soyuz-st-b-launches-hispasat-36w-1/Thanks very much for everyone's coverage, not least Zach.
Some cross-posting from the Arianespace launch schedule thread, regarding this launch's hardware and capabilities. This Hispasat satellite appears to max out, or slightly exceed the maximum payload capacity of Soyuz+Fregat from Kourou. Quote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmQuote from: ZachS09 on 11/03/2016 02:20 pmQuote from: Jester on 11/03/2016 01:34 pmVA234 A5 ECA 20th of December 2016 at 17:30 localVS16 ST-B (Hispasat AG1) 27th of January 2017 at 22:03:34 localThat's amazing. Hispasat AG1 gets transferred from an Ariane 5ECA to a Soyuz-STB Fregat-MT. Maybe the satellite was edited a bit to fit on the Soyuz (i.e. less mass).Hispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.Quote from: russianhalo117 on 11/03/2016 08:09 pmQuote from: zubenelgenubi on 11/03/2016 05:31 pmQuote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmEDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?Or found a way to squeeze extra performance from the Fregat-MT upper stage?Depends on the Fregat-MT number AFAIK their is version with enhanced features being developed. I doubt an enhanced Fregat-MT will have flown on a Russian Federal mission before this commercial flight starts to space.Quote from: Jester on 11/04/2016 10:05 amAFAIK is a standard Fregat-MT, same one we used for our Galileo launches.Here's another thought: Some Falcon 9 GTO launches have been GEO-1800 m/s, instead of the customary GEO-1500 m/s. The 300 m/s difference must be made up by the spacecraft.Will the same strategy be used in this case?
2 objects have been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:2017-006A/41942 in 239 x 35639 km x 5.54°2017-006B/41943 in 239 x 35593 km x 5.42°
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 11/04/2016 12:35 pmSome cross-posting from the Arianespace launch schedule thread, regarding this launch's hardware and capabilities. This Hispasat satellite appears to max out, or slightly exceed the maximum payload capacity of Soyuz+Fregat from Kourou. Quote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmHispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.Here's another thought: Some Falcon 9 GTO launches have been GEO-1800 m/s, instead of the customary GEO-1500 m/s. The 300 m/s difference must be made up by the spacecraft.Will the same strategy be used in this case?Would the orbits below be the initial GTO orbit of Hispasat-AG1 and the disposal orbit of the Fregat stage?Quote from: input~2 on 01/28/2017 06:59 am2 objects have been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:2017-006A/41942 in 239 x 35639 km x 5.54°2017-006B/41943 in 239 x 35593 km x 5.42°Also, I see the spacecraft massed out at 3221 kg.What was the solution to the apparent issue of "this satellite + adapter is too heavy to launch to GTO on a Soyuz-STB/Fregat-MT"?Example: Was this launch similar to the Falcon 9 GEO-1800 m/s launches?Or, was this launch within the envelope of the launch vehicle's capabilities, including reaching a "standard" GEO-1500 m/s orbit?
Some cross-posting from the Arianespace launch schedule thread, regarding this launch's hardware and capabilities. This Hispasat satellite appears to max out, or slightly exceed the maximum payload capacity of Soyuz+Fregat from Kourou. Quote from: eeergo on 11/03/2016 05:01 pmHispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.Here's another thought: Some Falcon 9 GTO launches have been GEO-1800 m/s, instead of the customary GEO-1500 m/s. The 300 m/s difference must be made up by the spacecraft.Will the same strategy be used in this case?
Hispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.
Quote from: Jester on 01/25/2017 11:22 amFregat = MT 133-06Are you sure?
Fregat = MT 133-06
Would the orbits below be the initial GTO orbit of Hispasat-AG1 and the disposal orbit of the Fregat stage?Quote from: input~2 on 01/28/2017 06:59 am2 objects have been cataloged by USSTRATCOM:2017-006A/41942 in 239 x 35639 km x 5.54°2017-006B/41943 in 239 x 35593 km x 5.42°
After four months of exhaustive testing in space, the flagship SmallGEO mission Hispasat 36W-1 has passed all trials with flying colours, which means control has been handed to the operator.