Author Topic: LIVE: Soyuz ST-B Flight VS16 - HISPASAT 36W-1 January 28, 2017  (Read 26436 times)

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Live thread for this mission.
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Is there a launcher available in CSG?

Because Roskosmos is not very keen to deliver one these days due to the Yukos case.
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Some cross-posting from the Arianespace launch schedule thread, regarding this launch's hardware and capabilities.  This Hispasat satellite appears to max out, or slightly exceed the maximum payload capacity of Soyuz+Fregat from Kourou.

VA234 A5 ECA 20th of December 2016 at 17:30 local
VS16 ST-B (Hispasat AG1) 27th of January 2017 at 22:03:34 local

That's amazing. Hispasat AG1 gets transferred from an Ariane 5ECA to a Soyuz-STB Fregat-MT. Maybe the satellite was edited a bit to fit on the Soyuz (i.e. less mass).

Hispasat AG1 (aka 36W-1) is 3.2 tonnes http://www.hispasat.com/es/flota-de-satelites/futuros-satelites/hispasat-36w-1 which is precisely the GTO limit for Soyuz-ST from CSG (3250 kg)

EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?

This bird has been delayed by launcher unavailability and problems during the test program of the new REDSAT platform, since at least 2013, and has prompted Hispasat to lease capacity from Canada's Nimiq 2.

EDIT: Upon more careful examination, I realized 3.25 tonnes is for SC+adapter, so it might be true they sacrificed a bit of propellant or found some other measure to lighten the satellite -or found a way to squeeze extra performance by the Soyuz?
Or found a way to squeeze extra performance from the Fregat-MT upper stage?
Depends on the Fregat-MT number AFAIK their is version with enhanced features being developed. I doubt an enhanced Fregat-MT will have flown on a Russian Federal mission before this commercial flight starts to space.

AFAIK is a standard Fregat-MT, same one we used for our Galileo launches.

Here's another thought: Some Falcon 9 GTO launches have been GEO-1800 m/s, instead of the customary GEO-1500 m/s.  The 300 m/s difference must be made up by the spacecraft.

Will the same strategy be used in this case?
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Is there a launcher available in CSG?

Because Roskosmos is not very keen to deliver one these days due to the Yukos case.

If Roscosmos doesn't want to give launchers, the fact that they are already in Guyana or not does not matter.
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If RosCosMos terminates all launcher colaborations with ESA/Europe. Might it be a nice idea to partner with Ukraine and convert ELS into a launchsite for MAYAK?
Then we have the missing launch capability between Vega C/E and Ariane 62. And our own backup in case of a launch failure.

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OHB Communications Satellite for HISPASAT arrived at Launch Site
Bremen, 12/01/2016

Bremen/Kourou, December 1st, 2016. Telecommunications satellite H36W-1 of Bremen satellite manufacturer OHB has arrived at Europe’s Spaceport in Kourou, French Guiana. The overall design of the satellite belonging to the SmallGEO series*) was verified during an extensive test campaign.

“The completion of our first geostationary communications satellite is an important milestone in the history of our company”, says Marco R. Fuchs, CEO of OHB System AG, and adds: “This will spur on our other SmallGEO projects, EDRS-C, Electra and Heinrich Hertz”.

OHB developed the versatile geostationary satellite platform called SmallGEO within ESA’s Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems (ARTES) programme. The first satellite, H36W-1, was built under a public-private partnership between ESA, OHB and Spanish satellite operator HISPASAT. With H36W-1, HISPASAT plan on supplying the Iberian Peninsula, the Canary Islands as well as South America with media services. The satellite will be integrated into their existing fleet of geostationary communications satellites. The satellite is designed for a mission duration of 15 years.

“Our satellite underwent extensive environmental tests in an 11-month test campaign after which it was declared ready for shipment to the launch site. The cooperation with ESA, our customer HISPASAT, the experts from the test house IABG and our partner TESAT has been close and target oriented”, says Dieter Birreck, OHB’s project manager for this SmallGEO project. He is looking forward to the remaining tasks to be conducted in Kourou: “The launch date is rapidly approaching and the whole team is excited and can hardly wait for it to come!”

OHB’s Chief Technical Officer and Head Telecommunications Satellites, Guy Perez, reflects: “H36W-1 is the first telecom satellite fully designed, developed, integrated and tested by OHB under close supervision of ESA and HISPASAT. Like any first, this meant a number of technical challenges that the OHB teams had to address in order to achieve customer satisfaction. OHB teams have hence learned a lot in the course of this project and have been able to enhance OHB know-how considerably. We will make sure that those lessons learned will benefit our future satellite projects including future telecom satellites belonging to the SmallGEO family.”


Transport by Truck, Airplane and Launcher
An Antonov airplane carried the communications satellite from Germany to French Guiana. At the Kourou launch site, the experts from OHB will again test their satellite and check all functions before the satellite is integrated in a Soyuz launcher and subsequently undergoes final tests. Satellite launch is scheduled for January 27, 2017. H36W-1 will be deployed in a geostationary orbit of approximately 36,000 km to carry out its mission operations.

*) The SmallGEO family of satellites is defined by a broad spectrum of possible configurations to fulfill a variety of mission objectives. These include telecommunications, Earth observation and laser-communication applications from a geostationary orbit. As propellant options clients can choose between classic, hybrid or electrical. Depending on the model, the satellite mass at launch can vary between 2,500 kg and 3,500 kg, whereby the individually permitted payload may vary between 300 kg and 650 kg. OHB is currently also working on the SmallGEO projects EDRS-C, Electra and Heinrich Hertz.

http://www.ohb.de/press-releases-details/ohb-communications-satellite-for-hispasat-arrived-at-launch-site.html
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Will today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?

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Will today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?
Completely different Block-I. The old Soyuz-U used the old structure with the RD-0110 gas generator engines and the old analog avionics made in Ukraine. The ST-B uses the staged combustion RD-0124 with the new structure Block-I with tank sizes optimized for the new O/F ratio and the new digital avionics made in Russia.

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Will today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?
Completely different Block-I. The old Soyuz-U used the old structure with the RD-0110 gas generator engines and the old analog avionics made in Ukraine. The ST-B uses the staged combustion RD-0124 with the new structure Block-I with tank sizes optimized for the new O/F ratio and the new digital avionics made in Russia.
unless its a common component between all versions. IF TLM downlink lasted long enough then Fault tree will be better.

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Will today's loss of the Progress mission impact this flight being as this is also on a Soyuz launcher even if a different variant?
Completely different Block-I. The old Soyuz-U used the old structure with the RD-0110 gas generator engines and the old analog avionics made in Ukraine. The ST-B uses the staged combustion RD-0124 with the new structure Block-I with tank sizes optimized for the new O/F ratio and the new digital avionics made in Russia.
unless its a common component between all versions. IF TLM downlink lasted long enough then Fault tree will be better.
Different structure, different O/F, different tanks, different engine, different avionics. What could be the common components? I'm pretty sure that the Russians will clear this flight pretty fast.

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Dec 7, 2016

Hispasat 36W-1 arrives at the Spaceport as an all-new telecom satellite type for Arianespace’s first launch in 2017

Launch preparation activity is underway for Arianespace’s initial mission in 2017, with an all-new type of telecommunications satellite now delivered to the Spaceport for liftoff on a Soyuz launcher from French Guiana in January.

Arriving aboard a chartered Antonov An-124 cargo jetliner was Hispasat 36W-1, the first satellite based on the SmallGEO platform developed under the European Space Agency’s Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems (ARTES) program.

The aircraft touched down earlier this month at Félix Eboué International Airport near French Guiana’s capital city of Cayenne. The spacecraft was unloaded and transferred by road to the Spaceport launch base, where it is undergoing initial checkout in the S1B payload preparation facility.

Once orbited by Arianespace, Hispasat 36W-1 will be operated by Hispasat – a world leader in Spanish and Portuguese broadcasting.

Conventional & new technologies on Hispasat 36W-1

Germany’s OHB System AG designed and built the three-metric-ton Hispasat 36W-1, and its delivery to French Guiana marked the completion of a nearly eight-year development effort for the SmallGEO platform.

Hispasat 36W-1 is equipped with a conventional commercial relay payload of 20 Ku-band transponders, along with three Ka-band transponders developed by TESAT Spacecom under funding from the DLR German Aerospace Center.

Also integrated on the satellite is a new-generation active antenna that receives and reconfigures radio frequency beams over the Earth’s visible disc. This Redsat payload and its onboard processor will enable Hispasat to provide more flexible multimedia and broadcasting services over the Americas, Europe and the Canary Islands.

http://www.arianespace.com/mission-update/hispasat-36w-1-arrival-at-spaceport/

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Small Geostationary Satellite SGEO: link

First SmallGEO makes its final terrestrial trip: link
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According to http://www.roscosmos.ru/23055/:

launch is planned on January 28th, 2017 at 01:03:34 UTC.
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VS-16 launch sticker of CSG
(credit: CSG facebook)

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Flight VS16 – First-ever mission to geostationary orbit with Soyuz from the Guiana Space Center to launch Hispasat satellite

January 19, 2017 – For its year-opening launch of 2017, Arianespace will orbit the Hispasat 36W-1 geostationary satellite for the Spanish operator Hispasat using a Soyuz launch vehicle.

Designated Flight VS16 in Arianespace’s launcher family numbering system, this mission will be the first-ever mission to geostationary transfer orbit performed by Soyuz from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana.

Hispasat 36W-1 is the first satellite to be built using Europe’s new “SmallGEO” platform developed by OHB System AG (Germany) under ESA’s ARTES (Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems) program.

The launch will be from the Soyuz Launch Complex (ELS) in Sinnamary, French Guiana.

The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 3,343 kg.


The Launch Readiness Review (LRR) will take place on Thursday, January 26, 2017 in Kourou, to authorize the start of operations for the final countdown.

Hispasat 36W-1 is a telecommunications satellite for Hispasat, and the first to be built using Europe’s new “SmallGEO” platform.

Hispasat is the Spanish satellite communications operator, a leader in the distribution of content in Spanish and Portuguese. With more than 25 years’ experience, the Hispasat Group maintains an important presence on the Iberian Peninsula and in Latin America, where it is now the fourth-largest satellite operator.

From its orbital position at 36 deg. West, Hispasat 36W-1 will allow Hispasat to provide a wide range of telecommunications services in Spain, Portugal, the Canary Islands and South America.

Hispasat 36W-1 was built by OHB System AG in Bremen, Germany, using a SmallGEO platform.

Developed by OHB System AG under ESA’s ARTES (Advanced Research in Telecommunications Systems) program, the SmallGEO platform line offers satellite operators an entirely European solution in the smaller telecom satellite market.

To watch a live, high-speed online transmission of the launch (including commentary from the launch site in French and English), go to arianespace.com on January 27, 2017, starting 20 minutes before liftoff.

You can also follow the launch live on your iPhone or iPad (the Arianespace HD app is free).

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Is it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?

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Is it vehicle number R-15000-012 that is being prepared for this launch?
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=13239.msg1589115#msg1589115
The first one listed in the post.

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