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Let's not have a thread where we poke fun at people, thanks.  Let's also not debate just how big of a waste[1] SLS is in this thread. BETEO.

1 - before you decide I got a sly dig in, please remember that "how big" includes "zero" (waste).
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Enough with the Mars stuff already.  This is the Europasat mission thread.

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So Inmarsat 5 F4 really is launching on Falcon, and EuropaSat/HellasSat 3 may move to a different launch vehicle but final decision not made yet.

SpaceNews: Inmarsat, juggling two launches, says SpaceX to return to flight in December
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Inmarsat has three launch contracts with SpaceX. Up to now, it had planned to launch its Inmarsat 5-F4 Ka-band broadband mobile communications satellite on a Falcon 9 in late 2016; an S-band aeronautical-connectivity satellite on a new Falcon Heavy rocket in early 2017; and the first of the Inmarsat-6 satellites after that.
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Inmarsat has decided to stick with SpaceX for the 5-F4 satellite, but to seek alternatives for the mid-2017 S-band satellite launch.

“It’s largely a function of where you are in the manifest,” Pearce said of Inmarsat’s launch reasoning. “With Inmarsat 5 F4, we’re well up in the queue — I think we are number five or six.
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With the S-band EAN satellite, he said, the reasoning is different.

“We are further [back in] the queue and therefore there’s a risk of further delays because SpaceX not only has to get back to flight but to demonstrate that it can maintain a very good launch schedule. So you could presumably have a day-to-day delay.
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Pearce said it remain possible that SpaceX will be able to confirm a May or June launch, but that would be difficult to achieve in the deadline Inmarsat has to find an alternative rocket.
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“It’s probably more likely we would look to exercise one of the options we have been quietly cultivating behind the scenes,” Pearce said. “We’ve talked about one of them, which is the [International Launch Services] Proton launch that we have up our sleeve anyway. But we do have other options as well...”

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Why would Inmarsat not switch this to a Falcon 9 launch, like they hinted at in August?  Furthermore, why would they not swap it with Inmarsat 5 F4 (which weighs more), as this satellite is so much more important for the company financially?

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Why would Inmarsat not switch this to a Falcon 9 launch, like they hinted at in August?  Furthermore, why would they not swap it with Inmarsat 5 F4 (which weighs more), as this satellite is so much more important for the company financially?

If this launch stays with SpaceX then it will almost certainly launch on F9.  As for swapping, Inmarsat 5 F4 was probably finished first and they may actually want it to be launched.  If they have options for launching EuropaSat then why would they leave Inmarsat 5 F4 sitting on the ground?

There may be a LOT of payloads ahead of EuropaSat on the SpaceX manifest.  I count about 18 payloads listed for SpaceX through the first half of 2017.  If EuropaSat is towards the end of that list (I don't know how many payloads are ahead of it but Inmarsat implied it's not near the top) and SpaceX started launching twice a month in December, it could potentially be July/August before even an F9 is available.  If SpaceX can't sustain twice a month starting in December it could take even longer.  It's easy to understand why Inmarsat is looking at whether to switch this payload to another launch provider (but we still don't know if they will or not).
« Last Edit: 11/08/2016 07:08 PM by gongora »

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Per NSF Russian Launch Schedule: EuropaSat/HellasSat 3 has been reassigned to fly on launcher Proton-M. SpaceX contract for flight of EuropaSat/HellasSat 3 was not cancelled, rather another company payload (unknown) will fly on the booked flight on an unknown date.

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Date – Satellite(s) – Rocket/Upper stage – Cosmodrome – Time

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Not early than the second quarter - Europasat (HellasSat-3) – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur
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Changes on November 29

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Re: Ariane 5 - EuropaSat/HellasSat 3 - 2017-mid
« Reply #26 on: 12/08/2016 02:20 PM »
Launcher changed to Ariane 5 in mid-2017

Inmarsat shifts satellite from SpaceX to Arianespace

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