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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #40 on: 04/13/2017 04:43 AM »
The Cis-Lunar facility will be built in the mid to late 2020's, Axiom is one of the NextStep awardees - for a project to evaluate using launch vehicle stages as potential habitable modules.

Too bad we're just at the point where launch vehicles are switching over to being reusable.  No free upper stages floating around any more.

That is Ixion proposing to reuse upper stages not Axiom.  And I am sure there will still be plenty of opportunities with upper stages not being economical or possible to recover in comparison with a habitat from scratch.
http://spacenews.com/nasa-adds-companies-to-program-to-develop-deep-space-habitats/

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #41 on: 04/13/2017 08:31 AM »
Somehow I don't think Bigelow Aerospace will agree that Axiom is building the first commercial space station ...

Bigelow hasn't built one yet. They've built some pressure vessels, but nothing complete enough to be called a space station. That said, it'll be interesting to see who makes it to market first.

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True Bigelow haven't built one yet (although Robert Bigelow said last year he'd now committed to build the first one and was no longer waiting for a crew ride to orbit to be available). But unless I've missed something big, Bigelow has both built and flown a lot more than Axiom.

So right now why wouldn't Bigelow be favourite to be the first ahead of Axiom?

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #42 on: 04/13/2017 02:20 PM »
Experience and professionalism?

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #43 on: 04/13/2017 04:09 PM »
The Cis-Lunar facility will be built in the mid to late 2020's, Axiom is one of the NextStep awardees - for a project to evaluate using launch vehicle stages as potential habitable modules.

Too bad we're just at the point where launch vehicles are switching over to being reusable.  No free upper stages floating around any more.

The original poster was incorrect--it's a NanoRacks/MDA/ULA team ("Ixion") that has the NextSTEP BAA contract for looking at wet stations, not Axiom. As for launch vehicles all becoming fully reusable in the near future so there are no free upper stages floating around... I'm politely skeptical.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #44 on: 04/13/2017 05:25 PM »
The Cis-Lunar facility will be built in the mid to late 2020's, Axiom is one of the NextStep awardees - for a project to evaluate using launch vehicle stages as potential habitable modules.

Too bad we're just at the point where launch vehicles are switching over to being reusable.  No free upper stages floating around any more.

The original poster was incorrect--it's a NanoRacks/MDA/ULA team ("Ixion") that has the NextSTEP BAA contract for looking at wet stations, not Axiom. As for launch vehicles all becoming fully reusable in the near future so there are no free upper stages floating around... I'm politely skeptical.

Yeah, the poster who said this was Axiom was wrong.  But about launch vehicles becoming fully reusable in the "near future", keep in mind that the quote I'm replying to says "mid to late 2020's".  Both SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to be on a path to full reusability well before then.  Sure, it may not happen, but I think there's a decent chance it will.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #45 on: 04/13/2017 09:54 PM »
Somehow I don't think Bigelow Aerospace will agree that Axiom is building the first commercial space station ...

Bigelow hasn't built one yet. They've built some pressure vessels, but nothing complete enough to be called a space station. That said, it'll be interesting to see who makes it to market first.

~Jon

True Bigelow haven't built one yet (although Robert Bigelow said last year he'd now committed to build the first one and was no longer waiting for a crew ride to orbit to be available). But unless I've missed something big, Bigelow has both built and flown a lot more than Axiom.

So right now why wouldn't Bigelow be favourite to be the first ahead of Axiom?

The question was about "first to operate commercial space station".

BA is very far from that.  Far enough that their lead is not significant.  Remember that such a station does not have to be inflatable.

Given how BA cycles between highs and lows, and that having a commercial space station is so much more than just the hardware, I'd hold my bet right now.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #46 on: 04/13/2017 09:55 PM »
The Cis-Lunar facility will be built in the mid to late 2020's, Axiom is one of the NextStep awardees - for a project to evaluate using launch vehicle stages as potential habitable modules.

Too bad we're just at the point where launch vehicles are switching over to being reusable.  No free upper stages floating around any more.

The original poster was incorrect--it's a NanoRacks/MDA/ULA team ("Ixion") that has the NextSTEP BAA contract for looking at wet stations, not Axiom. As for launch vehicles all becoming fully reusable in the near future so there are no free upper stages floating around... I'm politely skeptical.

Yeah, the poster who said this was Axiom was wrong.  But about launch vehicles becoming fully reusable in the "near future", keep in mind that the quote I'm replying to says "mid to late 2020's".  Both SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to be on a path to full reusability well before then.  Sure, it may not happen, but I think there's a decent chance it will.

Even in a world where the norm is to recover upper stages, that doesn't mean that purchasing one for reuse on orbit as a facility will be out of the question. It's just another form of reuse.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #47 on: 04/13/2017 10:10 PM »
The Cis-Lunar facility will be built in the mid to late 2020's, Axiom is one of the NextStep awardees - for a project to evaluate using launch vehicle stages as potential habitable modules.

Too bad we're just at the point where launch vehicles are switching over to being reusable.  No free upper stages floating around any more.

The original poster was incorrect--it's a NanoRacks/MDA/ULA team ("Ixion") that has the NextSTEP BAA contract for looking at wet stations, not Axiom. As for launch vehicles all becoming fully reusable in the near future so there are no free upper stages floating around... I'm politely skeptical.

Yeah, the poster who said this was Axiom was wrong.  But about launch vehicles becoming fully reusable in the "near future", keep in mind that the quote I'm replying to says "mid to late 2020's".  Both SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to be on a path to full reusability well before then.  Sure, it may not happen, but I think there's a decent chance it will.

Even in a world where the norm is to recover upper stages, that doesn't mean that purchasing one for reuse on orbit as a facility will be out of the question. It's just another form of reuse.

True, but it changes the calculations.  It's no longer something that's free because it would be thrown away otherwise.

And reusable launchers mean the cost of a dedicated launch for a habitat module designed just as a habitat module could be much lower, again lowering the benefit of converting an upper stage to a habitat.

It doesn't make it impossible that it could still make sense to convert an upper stage to a habitat.  It just makes the case harder to make.  The idea of doing it in the world of 1998 is more compelling than the idea of doing it in the world of 2028.

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #48 on: 04/14/2017 12:36 PM »
As interesting a discussion as that may be, it's only here because of a misattribution.  Perhaps an Ixion thread is warranted?

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Re: Axiom Space LLC
« Reply #49 on: 04/14/2017 05:57 PM »
As interesting a discussion as that may be, it's only here because of a misattribution.  Perhaps an Ixion thread is warranted?

Done: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42741.0

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