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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #40 on: 05/09/2016 10:58 PM »

My point... I guess... is this...
The top of thread manifest seems to assume OCISLY if RTLS is not obviously possible...
My opinion... we will really not know till just before launch on each flight... will we...  ???

I think it is more than safe to assume that SpaceX will at least try to land S1 on OCISLY even if it crashes and puts a whole in the ship (see SES-9). Doesn't mean a successful landing, but I expect we'll see a landing attempt every launch. If the weather is super bad or OCISLY can't make it out to sea in time, then I think we'll see a water landing. More data == better models.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #41 on: 05/09/2016 11:19 PM »
Seems the launch mass has come into question... may only be 4500kg-ish... for the pair
If so, then this launch may be recovered...

BUT... I still think 5250kg-ish and up will NOT be recovered sometimes...  ;)
The recent update on SpaceX's capabilities page lists their new F9 price of $62M for up to 5,500kg to GTO.  Which says to me that they believe that is their limit for recovery.  Though, that may be only once they adjust for the planned uprated thrust "later this year".
5500 kg makes sense.  They delivered SES-9 (at 5270 kg) to an orbit with apogee quite a ways above GEO.  If you increase the mass to 5500 kg, the delta-V will drop by about 70 m/s (assuming 111t fuel, 4.54t empty mass, 348 ISP). But this would still give an apogee (just barely) above GEO, so it's a legitimate GTO delivery (although with more delta V to GEO, about 1815 m/s instead of the 1775 of SES-9).

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #42 on: 05/10/2016 12:16 PM »
My point... I guess... is this...
The top of thread manifest seems to assume OCISLY if RTLS is not obviously possible...
My opinion... we will really not know till just before launch on each flight... will we...  ???

This is true -- OCISLY is assumed for all GTO, RTLS assumed for LEO.  Out west, the jury is still out on what parameters make JRTI vs. RTLS a solid assumption, so they are blank.

Completely agree that any of this can change when official word comes from SpaceX.  Until then, we guess our best!

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #43 on: 05/10/2016 03:09 PM »
Spaceflight Now updated their list and now has Thaicom 8 on May 26 and CRS-9 on June 27.
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Seems like SpaceX is falling behind their launch rate target for the year.  Seems more than likely that they'll do say 12 - 14 max for the year.  That's still double what they managed last year but we all know why of course.  Still better than 1 a month would be an indication that they've got on top of production and launch issues that have been reducing launch rates. Could they do better and if so why?  Or do I have this backwards and it's really payloads that are delaying launches?
Thanks.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #44 on: 05/10/2016 03:26 PM »
Spaceflight Now updated their list and now has Thaicom 8 on May 26 and CRS-9 on June 27.
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Seems like SpaceX is falling behind their launch rate target for the year.  Seems more than likely that they'll do say 12 - 14 max for the year.  That's still double what they managed last year but we all know why of course.  Still better than 1 a month would be an indication that they've got on top of production and launch issues that have been reducing launch rates. Could they do better and if so why?  Or do I have this backwards and it's really payloads that are delaying launches?
Thanks.

Looks to me like they are now in their stride, as long as it doesn't break, to do two a month for the rest of the year which would put the total at 17.
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #45 on: 05/10/2016 03:34 PM »
Spaceflight Now updated their list and now has Thaicom 8 on May 26 and CRS-9 on June 27.
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Seems like SpaceX is falling behind their launch rate target for the year.  Seems more than likely that they'll do say 12 - 14 max for the year.  That's still double what they managed last year but we all know why of course.  Still better than 1 a month would be an indication that they've got on top of production and launch issues that have been reducing launch rates. Could they do better and if so why?  Or do I have this backwards and it's really payloads that are delaying launches?
Thanks.

Payloads shouldn't be the problem now, they still haven't caught up on stuff they were supposed to launch last year.  They've really just begun trying to up the production rate, the second east coast pad isn't completed yet, and the western launch range may be down for maintenance most of the summer.  If they can get their production/testing ramped up in the next few months they can still get closer to 18 than 12.  They're on track to have 6-7 launches in the first half of the year, so you're assuming no improvement at all in the next 7 months.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #46 on: 05/10/2016 03:46 PM »
Spaceflight Now updated their list and now has Thaicom 8 on May 26 and CRS-9 on June 27.
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Seems like SpaceX is falling behind their launch rate target for the year.  Seems more than likely that they'll do say 12 - 14 max for the year.  That's still double what they managed last year but we all know why of course.  Still better than 1 a month would be an indication that they've got on top of production and launch issues that have been reducing launch rates. Could they do better and if so why?  Or do I have this backwards and it's really payloads that are delaying launches?
Thanks.

Looks to me like they are now in their stride, as long as it doesn't break, to do two a month for the rest of the year which would put the total at 17.

Remember they are ramping up still,what they are doing now won't be the pace for the rest of the year. 

They are in a 3-4 week cadence now and if they get to a 2-3 week cadence by December that is a massive improvement. 

2 keys to getting the volume up:
1) Iridium and other launches from VAFB
2) Launching 1 or 2 reused boosters
I know they don't need it, but Crossfeed would be super cool.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #47 on: 05/11/2016 01:21 PM »
Tweet from Peter B. de Selding:
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EchoStar: EchoStar 23 Ku-band sat, for 45 deg West over Brazil, to launch Q3 this yr by SpaceX. EchoStar 105, w/ SES, is on SpaceX in Q4.

Echostar 105=SES 11

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #48 on: 05/11/2016 02:26 PM »
Tweet from Peter B. de Selding:
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EchoStar: EchoStar 23 Ku-band sat, for 45 deg West over Brazil, to launch Q3 this yr by SpaceX. EchoStar 105, w/ SES, is on SpaceX in Q4.

Echostar 105=SES 11

SES11 is already on the list but EchoStar 23 should be added. It is listed on Gunter's space page as slated for launch in 2016. The satellite is made by Space Systems/Loral and based on SSL-1300 bus, no mass is available.
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/echostar-23.htm
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #49 on: 05/11/2016 07:20 PM »
Tweet from Peter B. de Selding:
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EchoStar: EchoStar 23 Ku-band sat, for 45 deg West over Brazil, to launch Q3 this yr by SpaceX. EchoStar 105, w/ SES, is on SpaceX in Q4.

Echostar 105=SES 11

SES11 is already on the list but EchoStar 23 should be added. It is listed on Gunter's pace page as slated for launch in 2016. The satellite is made by Space Systems/Loral and based on SSL-1300 bus, no mass is available.
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/echostar-23.htm

I don't see a location, sounds geostationary to me -- should we assume F9 from LC40 for GTO?

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #50 on: 05/11/2016 07:41 PM »
If you follow the link you will see that Gunter has this info. It will go to GEO from the Cape according to his information.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #51 on: 05/11/2016 07:46 PM »
Excellent, thanks!  I'll be more diligent with the links!

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #52 on: 05/12/2016 06:16 PM »
Tweet from Peter B. de Selding:
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EchoStar: EchoStar 23 Ku-band sat, for 45 deg West over Brazil, to launch Q3 this yr by SpaceX. EchoStar 105, w/ SES, is on SpaceX in Q4.

Echostar 105=SES 11

SES11 is already on the list but EchoStar 23 should be added. It is listed on Gunter's pace page as slated for launch in 2016. The satellite is made by Space Systems/Loral and based on SSL-1300 bus, no mass is available.
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/echostar-23.htm

Did this just get squeezed into this summers manifest? If so does it represent something we already expected slipping significantly (ie giving up its place for this one) or does it possibly represent a scheduled core (say the one for SES-10) that is freed up by the first re-use launch? Or, more boldly, is this the first re-use launch? (though my bets are on SES-10 using the CRS-9 core)
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #53 on: 05/12/2016 06:36 PM »
Did this just get squeezed into this summers manifest? If so does it represent something we already expected slipping significantly (ie giving up its place for this one) or does it possibly represent a scheduled core (say the one for SES-10) that is freed up by the first re-use launch? Or, more boldly, is this the first re-use launch? (though my bets are on SES-10 using the CRS-9 core)

It was mentioned in this article back in February, so it's not a super recent addition:

http://www.satellitetoday.com/launch/2016/02/25/echostar-excited-about-2016-launches-musing-jupiter-3-next-gen-hts/

Echostar seems to be somewhat secretive about their plans, so I'm guessing they just asked SpaceX not to announce it when they booked the reservation.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #54 on: 05/13/2016 12:58 AM »
Spaceflight Now updated their list and now has Thaicom 8 on May 26 and CRS-9 on June 27.
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Seems like SpaceX is falling behind their launch rate target for the year.  Seems more than likely that they'll do say 12 - 14 max for the year.  That's still double what they managed last year but we all know why of course.  Still better than 1 a month would be an indication that they've got on top of production and launch issues that have been reducing launch rates. Could they do better and if so why?  Or do I have this backwards and it's really payloads that are delaying launches?
Thanks.

Payloads shouldn't be the problem now, they still haven't caught up on stuff they were supposed to launch last year.  They've really just begun trying to up the production rate, the second east coast pad isn't completed yet, and the western launch range may be down for maintenance most of the summer.  If they can get their production/testing ramped up in the next few months they can still get closer to 18 than 12.  They're on track to have 6-7 launches in the first half of the year, so you're assuming no improvement at all in the next 7 months.

Payloads will be limiting after a few months if the reuse begins to work.  1-2 re-launches doubles the effective production rate; 5-10 re-launches provides capacity to launch the world's 100 per year even at a production rate of only one per month -- which they probably are doing now.  Payload increase will probably never outpace SpaceX's capacity to launch with LC-40, 39A, and 4E on line. Then add Boca Chica...
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #55 on: 05/13/2016 02:12 AM »
Payloads will be limiting after a few months if the reuse begins to work.  1-2 re-launches doubles the effective production rate; 5-10 re-launches provides capacity to launch the world's 100 per year even at a production rate of only one per month -- which they probably are doing now.  Payload increase will probably never outpace SpaceX's capacity to launch with LC-40, 39A, and 4E on line. Then add Boca Chica...

Yep, they are a few years away from that though.

It's going to be very interesting to see the capacity catch up and how much of the market SpaceX can take from others.
I know they don't need it, but Crossfeed would be super cool.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #56 on: 05/13/2016 11:58 AM »
Eutelsat launch seems to be firming up as mid-June (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40088.msg1533755#msg1533755). IF that holds it could be SpaceX are finally getting into the long promised increase in launch frequency.

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #57 on: 05/13/2016 01:03 PM »
Eutelsat launch seems to be firming up as mid-June (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40088.msg1533755#msg1533755). IF that holds it could be SpaceX are finally getting into the long promised increase in launch frequency.

Another new feature is the availability of a string of payloads manifested and ready at both east and west launch sites.  They've displayed good cadence from LC-40 in short bursts, but never two launch sites/coasts in parallel... that will be proof that they've staffed up sufficiently for two independent sites.  How they run LC-40 and 39A in tandem will also be interesting to watch. 
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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #58 on: 05/13/2016 01:25 PM »
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A nit: the eastern time zone is currently on Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) (UTC-4), therefore EST is technically incorrect. (A possible workaround to prevent future confusion {especially when discussing pads on both coasts} would be to provide the time as "5:40 PM Local" or "1740L")

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Re: SpaceX Manifest Updates and Discussion Thread 4
« Reply #59 on: 05/13/2016 03:29 PM »
Site: C=Canaveral(UTC-4 EDT,UTC-5 EST)
         SLC-40: Damaged by vehicle explosion (no launches until around August 2017)
         LC-39A: Active for F9, will need further work for FH and Commercial Crew
       V=Vandenberg(UTC-7 PDT,UTC-8 PST)
         SLC-4E: Active for F9
       B=Boca Chica(UTC-5 CDT,UTC-6 CST)
         Site preparation work underway

Daylight saving time starts second Sunday in March, ends first Sunday in November,
time changes at 2:00 a.m. local time

       LOCAL        LV  Core   Ret-                                    MASS         No-
EST. DATE  TIME/UTC     S/N    urn  PAYLOAD(S)                    ORB  (kg)   Site  tes
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2015-12-22          F9  1019   L    ORBCOMM OG2 Launch 2          LEO  1892   C-40
2016-01-17 1042/-8  F9         S    Jason-3                       LEO  553    V-4E
2016-03-04 1835/-5  F9         S    SES-9                         GTO  5271   C-40
2016-04-08 1643/-4  F9  1021   S    CRS-8                         LEO  ~9k    C-40   23
2016-05-06 0121/-4  F9  1022   S    JCSAT-14                      GTO  4696   C-40   24
2016-05-27 1740/-4  F9  1023   S    Thaicom 8                     GTO  3025   C-40   25
2016-06-15 1029/-4  F9         S    Eutelsat 117W B & ABS-2A      GTO  4200   C-40   26
2016-07-18 0045/-4  F9         L    CRS-9                         LEO  ~9k    C-40   27
2016-08-14 0126/-4  F9         S    JCSAT-16                      GTO  ~4600  C-40   28
2016-09-01 0907/-4  F9         N/A  AMOS-6(destroyed in pad test) GTO  5500   C-40   29
2017-01-14 0954/-8  F9  1029   S    Iridium NEXT (Flight 1)       PLR  9600   V-4E   30
2017-02-19 0939/-5  F9  1031   L    CRS 10                        LEO  ~9k    C-39A  31
2017-03-16 0200/-4  F9  1030   X    Echostar 23                   GTO  ~5500  C-39A  32
2017-03-30 1827/-4  F9  1021.2 S    SES-10                        GTO  5282   C-39A  33
2017-05-01 0715/-4  F9  1032   L    NROL-76                       LEO  ?      C-39A  34
2017-05-15 1921/-4  F9  1034   X    Inmarsat 5 F4                 GTO  6086   C-39A  35
2017-06-03 1707/-4  F9  1035   L    CRS 11                        LEO  ~9k    C-39A  36
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2017-06-23 1410/-4  F9  1029.2 S    BulgariaSat-1                 GTO  3669   C-39A  37
2017-06-25 1325/-7  F9  1036   S    Iridium NEXT (Flight 2)       PLR  9600   V-4E   38
2017-07-xx 1935/-4  F9         X    Intelsat 35e                  GTO  ~6k    C-39A  39
2017-07-late        F9         ?    SES-11/Echostar 105           GTO  5400   C-39A  40
2017-08-01          F9         L    CRS 12                        LEO  ~9k    C
2017-08             F9         L    Air Force X-37B OTV-5         LEO  5400   C
2017-08             F9         ?    FORMOSAT-5                    SSO  ~525   V-4E   41
2017-08-24          F9         S    Iridium NEXT (Flight 3)       PLR  9600   V-4E       
2017-Q3             F9         S    Koreasat-5A                   GTO  3500   C
2017-10             F9         S    GovSat-1 (SES-16)             GTO  4000   C
2017                 H         LL?  Falcon Heavy Demo Flight                  C-39A  50
2017-10             F9         S    Iridium NEXT (Flight 4)       PLR  9600   V-4E
2017-10             F9         ?    SAOCOM 1A                     SSO  3000   V-4E
2017-11             F9         L    CRS 13                        LEO  ~9k    C
2017-Q4             F9         S    SES-14 (NASA GOLD payload)    GTO  4200   C
2017-12             F9         S    Iridium NEXT (Flight 5)       PLR  9600   V-4E
2017                 H         LL?  STP-2 (US Air Force)          MEO  ~8k?   C-39A
2017-Q4             F9              Hispasat 1F                   GTO  ~5k    C      60
2017-12             F9              Bangabandhu                   GTO  ~3500  C      61
2017                F9              Paz & co-passenger            SSO  1400   V-4E   62
2018                F9              Spaceflight SSO-A (575km)     SSO         V-4E   70
2018                F9         S    Es'hail 2                     GTO  ~3k    C
2018                F9         ?    PSN-6 and co-passenger        GTO  5000   C
2018-02             F9         L    CRS 14                        LEO  ~9k    C
2018-02             F9              Iridium NEXT (Flight 6)       PLR  9600   V-4E
2018-03             F9         ?    CCtCap DM1                    LEO         C-39A
2018-03-20          F9              NASA (TESS)                   HEO  325    C
2018-04             F9         L    CRS 15                        LEO  ~9k    C
2018-04             F9              Iridium NEXT (Flight 7)       PLR  9600   V-4E
2018-H1             F9              CCiCap In-Flight Abort Test   SUB         C-39A
2018-H1             F9              Telstar 18 Vantage/Apstar-5C  GTO  >5400  C
2018-H1             F9              Telstar 19 Vantage            GTO  >5400  C
2018-05             F9              USAF GPS III A-2              MEO  3880   C
2018-06             F9              Telkom 4                      GTO         C      68
2018                F9              CCtCap DM2 (Crew)             LEO         C-39A
2018-mid            F9              Iridium NEXT 8/GRACE-FO       SSO  ~6000  V     
2018                 H              Arabsat 6A                    GTO  ~6k    C/B
2018-08             F9         L    CRS 16                        LEO  ~9k    C
2018-Q3             F9              RADARSAT Constellation        SSO  1400   V-4E
2018                F9              OHB SARah 1                   SSO  ~2200  V-4E
2018-10             F9         L    CRS 17                        LEO  ~9k    C
2018-Q4             F9              Spaceflight SSO-B (500km)     SSO         V-4E   70
2018-Q4             F9              GiSat-1                       GTO  ~6k    C/B
2018-H2             F9              Spaceflight GTO-1(200x36k/km) GTO         C      70
2018-H2             F9              Spaceflight GTO-2(200x60k/km) GTO         C      70
2018-12             F9         L    CRS 18                        LEO  ~9k    C
2018-end             H         ???  SpaceX Crewed Circumlunar     TLI  ~10k?  C-39A  99
2018                F9              SAOCOM 1B                     SSO  3000   V-4E
2019                F9              CRS 19-20                     LEO         C
2019-02             F9              USAF GPS IIIA-3               MEO  3880   C
2019                F9              OHB SARah 2/3                 SSO  ~3600  V-4E
2019-H2             F9              Spaceflight SSO-C (500km SSO) SSO         V-4E   70
2020                F               Inmarsat 6 F1                 GTO         C/B    65
2020                 H              Red Dragon (Mars Surface)     TMI  ~11k   C/B
2020-H1             F9              Spaceflight GTO-C(200x36k/km) GTO         C/B    70
2020-H1             F9              Spaceflight SSO-D (500km SSO) SSO         V-4E   70
2020-2021            H              ViaSat 3-Americas or 3-EMEA   GTO  6400   C/B    69
2021-04             F9              SWOT                          LEO  2000   V-4E
TBD (NET 2022)       H              ViaSat 3-Asia (maybe)         GTO  6400   C/B    69
TBD                 F               Inmarsat                      GTO         C/B
TBD (2019-2024)     F9              Commercial Crew (6 flights)   LEO         C-39A
TBD (2019-2024)     F9              CRS-2 (6+ flights)            LEO         C
TBD                 F               EutelSat

Return: L=Land,S=Sea,X=Expendable,N/A=Not Applicable
Launch Vehicle: F9=Falcon 9, H=Falcon Heavy, F=Falcon 9 or Heavy
Colors: Successful / Unsuccessful / Mars!!!! / Footnotes

L2 SpaceX CRS External Cargo
L2 Level SpaceX Falcon 9 Stage Watch
SpaceX Launch Log (past launches)
Wikipedia Falcon Launches
Viewing flights from Vandenberg
Upcoming SpaceX Talks

NOTES:
[20] Orbcomm OG2 Launch 2 [FCC F9-21]
[21] Jason-3 [FCC F9-19]
[22] SES-9 [FCC F9-22]
[23] CRS-8 [FCC 23] Discussion / Updates
[24] JCSAT-14 [FCC F9-24] Discussion / Updates / L2 Coverage / Pre-Launch Article /
 Post-Launch Article
[25] Thaicom-8 [FCC F9-25] Discussion / Updates / L2 Coverage / Post-Launch Article
[26] Eutelsat 117 West B & ABS-2A [FCC F9-26] Discussion / Updates / L2 Coverage /
 Pre-Launch Article / Post-Launch Article
[27] CRS-9 [FCC 27] Discussion / Updates / L2 Coverage /
 Return Updates / Static Fire Article / Launch Article
[28] JCSat-16 [FCC F9-28] Discussion
[29] Amos-6 [FCC F9-29] Discussion
[30] Iridium NEXT Flight 1 [FCC F9-30] Discussion
[31] CRS-10 [FCC 32] Discussion
[32] EchoStar 23 [FCC F9-31] Discussion
[33] SES-10 [FCC F9-33] Discussion
[34] NROL-76 [FCC 1363] Discussion
[35] Inmarsat 5 F4 [FCC F9-34] Discussion
[36] CRS-11 Discussion

[37] Bulgariasat-1 Discussion Launch Window 14:10 16:10 (Eastern)
[38] Iridium Next (Flight 2) [FCC 1338] Discussion
[39] Intelsat 35e [FCC 1372] Discussion Launch Window 19:35-20:35 (Eastern)
[40] SES 11/Echostar 105 Discussion
[41] FORMOSAT-5 Discussion
[50] FH Demo - Serial Numbers: Center:1033  Side1:1023.2  Side2: 1025.2
[60] Hispasat 1f also called Hispasat 30W-6
[61] Bangabandhu News Article / Satellite Order Press Release / Gunter's Site
[62] Paz (Hisdesat) post in manifest thread / article in DW
[65] Inmarsat 6 F1 SpaceNews mention / Airbus contract / Gunter / Space Intel mention
[68] Telkom 4 links Gunter
[69] Viasat 3 : one of first two Viasat 3 birds in mid-2019 or early-2020.
  Also third Viasat 3 if it gets built?
  ViaSatellite 2/10/16 SpaceNews 2/10/2016 Gunter
[70] Spaceflight Industries : Upcoming Spaceflight Ind. schedule
[99] SpaceX announcement


[xx] Europasat/HellasSat 3 moved to different launch vehicle
[xx] ABS-8 Satellite build cancelled
[xx] SHERPA cancelled from FORMOSAT-5 flight

Competitions for future payloads:
STP-3
Air Force First 6 EELV

L2 notes on manifest:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42937.msg1679127#msg1679127
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42839.msg1683254#msg1683254
« Last Edit: 06/21/2017 05:12 PM by gongora »

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