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Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #40 on: 02/11/2016 02:37 PM »
Signal detected 14 September, 2015.

The two black holes are indeed about 30 solar masses. They are about 1.3 billion light years away.
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #41 on: 02/11/2016 02:42 PM »
The two black holes are indeed about 30 solar masses. They are about 1.3 billion light years away.

Well, *were*. It's now just one black hole. :)

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #42 on: 02/11/2016 02:50 PM »
This time the rumours were exactly right, except that the papers are published in PRL and ApJ instead of Nature.

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #43 on: 02/11/2016 03:04 PM »
Kip Thorne cannot wait to ride those waves orbiting one of those mergers :)
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #44 on: 02/11/2016 03:07 PM »
20 ms merger. During that time, the energy output was 50 times the energy released by ALL the stars in the Universe.
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #45 on: 02/11/2016 03:09 PM »
The signal came from the Southern sky, in the rough direction of the Magellanic clouds, the satellite galaxies of the Milky Way. At 1.3 billion light years away, however, it is very far beyond the Magellanic clouds, deep in intergalactic space somewhere.

We have only seen spacetime like the surface on a calm ocean until now, says Thorne. Now, we are seeing a storm!

The ‘storm’, meaning the collision of the black holes, lasted for just 20 milliseconds. In that brief moment, it generated 50 times the power of all the stars in the Universe put together.

It was the equivalent of taking three stars, each the size of the Sun, and annihilating them into pure energy. Wow!

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #46 on: 02/11/2016 03:12 PM »
"Einstein would be beaming today"

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #47 on: 02/11/2016 03:13 PM »
(Cleaned up) signals in the LIGO teams in Louisiana (blue) and Washington (orange):

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160211.html
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #48 on: 02/11/2016 03:14 PM »
Dr Ed Daw has been researching gravitational waves with LIGO since 1998. He works in the Physics at the University of Sheffield, and sends the following reaction.

Discoveries of this importance in Physics come along about every 30 years. A measure of its significance is that even the source of the wave - two black holes in close orbit, each tens of times heavier than the sun, which then collide violently, has never been observed before, and could not have been observed by any other method. This is just the beginning.

Imagine that your T.V. had only ever received one channel on which the shows were all rather similar to each other. One day a second one appeared which showed completely different programs, like nothing that had ever been broadcast on the old channel. Wouldn’t you want to switch over? By detecting this signal, LIGO has effectively tuned in to a new channel - a completely new way of observing the Universe.

Gravitational waves are so completely different from light, we’re probably only just beginning to understand how they reflect and shape our Universe. For example, a gravitational wave will propagate almost completely unaltered through entire planets, star systems, galaxies....how different is that from the radio waves that your mobile phone picks up - even getting too close to a building can disrupt those signals. Light, or more generally electromagnetic waves are so much more vulnerable to interference than gravitational waves.

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #49 on: 02/11/2016 03:21 PM »
Advanced LIGO is still expected to increase its sensitivity by a factor of 3.

It is expected this year more signals are going to be detected.
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #50 on: 02/11/2016 03:26 PM »
Thorne says that we expect to see more signals from similar sources within the next year. Tweeks and improvements will advance LIGO’s sensitivity by about three times. He promises, “A huge richness of gravitational wave signals in LIGO.”

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #51 on: 02/11/2016 03:34 PM »
Signal-to-noise ratio of 24, according to the paper's abstract (which is the only thing I can access right now since APL is down :O )
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #52 on: 02/11/2016 03:36 PM »
VIRGO (another detector in Italy with similar sensitivity) will join the network this year, improving the collaboration's ability to locate the sources.
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #53 on: 02/11/2016 03:39 PM »
Graviton mass limit has been lowered to 10^-55 kg (!!!!), basically confirming it's massless.

Whether or not it exists, or in general how Quantum Gravity may be formulated, is still up for debate. It has just been confirmed gravitational waves propagate at the speed of light.
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Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #54 on: 02/11/2016 03:52 PM »
Criticism for NASA.

Rainer Weiss laments NASA’s decision to pull of the space-based gravitational wave observatory LISA, and praises Europe’s determination to ‘go it alone’ with the eLISA mission and LISA Pathfinder. But he hopes for a new collaboration.

@DrStuClark Gravitational Waves sound like Radiohead's Planet Telex intro, from album The Bends. #spooky

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClickConsultLtd/status/697819704732291072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

final question of the webcast press conference is whether LIGO has seen other signals. Gonzalez answers very carefully placing the emphasis back on the signal announced today. As she finishes one of her fellow panellists quips ‘that didn’t even sound rehearsed’.

Hmmm. What should we make of that?
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #55 on: 02/11/2016 04:00 PM »

Imagine that your T.V. had only ever received one channel on which the shows were all rather similar to each other. One day a second one appeared which showed completely different programs, like nothing that had ever been broadcast on the old channel. Wouldn’t you want to switch over? By detecting this signal, LIGO has effectively tuned in to a new channel - a completely new way of observing the Universe.

Gravitational waves are so completely different from light, we’re probably only just beginning to understand how they reflect and shape our Universe. For example, a gravitational wave will propagate almost completely unaltered through entire planets, star systems, galaxies....how different is that from the radio waves that your mobile phone picks up - even getting too close to a building can disrupt those signals. Light, or more generally electromagnetic waves are so much more vulnerable to interference than gravitational waves.

I'm just going to point out that if I wanted to create the perfect SETI signal.  This would be the way to do it...

Our technology may have just reached the point where we can begin to hear constant beacons from civilizations though out the universe since the dawn of time that can both detect and generate gravitational waves.

We can take any discussion of SETI over to a SETI thread: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39571.msg1490597#msg1490597
« Last Edit: 02/11/2016 04:08 PM by sghill »
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #56 on: 02/11/2016 04:02 PM »

final question of the webcast press conference is whether LIGO has seen other signals. Gonzalez answers very carefully placing the emphasis back on the signal announced today. As she finishes one of her fellow panellists quips ‘that didn’t even sound rehearsed’.

Hmmm. What should we make of that?

Rumours have been about (at least) two signals and given that they were almost exactly right about the details of the first detection, I'm pretty sure they're also right about there already being another.

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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #57 on: 02/11/2016 04:14 PM »
Some more details from the paper:

- Signal GW150914 was recorded on September 14, 2015 at 09:50:45 UTC, and was automatically selected as interesting 3 minutes later.

- The signal took ~7ms to arrive from Louisiana to Handford, providing the clues about its origin in the Southern sky.

- No other detector was observing at the time (VIRGO was being upgraded, GEO600 wouldn't be sensitive and anyway was not in observational mode).

- Raw signal is actually audible by human ears :) in the 35-150 Hz range, and is 8 cycles long.

- AdvLIGO's sensitivity is only in this band because of "photon shot" noise above (I suppose that means the frequency of the laser on the mirrors) and several other noises below. There are still "peaks" of noise in the window because of calibration channels and power grid noise.

- Pressure in the volumes where the beam passes is <1µPa = 10^-11 atm: practically the "atmospheric pressure" at the ISS altitude (10^-12 atm).

- Injections of fake signals for verification is done through pumping sample signals with the laser.

[more on this post http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39297.msg1490665#msg1490665]
« Last Edit: 02/11/2016 06:07 PM by eeergo »
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Re: Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #58 on: 02/11/2016 04:19 PM »
What will Gravity Astronomy mainly be aimed at uncovering? Presumably, it's going to be biased towards more massive events - big stuff like black holes and galaxies colliding, or neutron stars.

Besides investigating astrophysical phenomena, how could Gravity Astronomy answer questions in fundamental physics?
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Rumor Claims Gravitational Waves Have Been Detected At LIGO
« Reply #59 on: 02/11/2016 04:24 PM »
What will Gravity Astronomy mainly be aimed at uncovering? Presumably, it's going to be biased towards more massive events - big stuff like black holes and galaxies colliding, or neutron stars.

Besides investigating astrophysical phenomena, how could Gravity Astronomy answer questions in fundamental physics?

It can look through the barrier around the Big Bang.



Imagine that your T.V. had only ever received one channel on which the shows were all rather similar to each other. One day a second one appeared which showed completely different programs, like nothing that had ever been broadcast on the old channel. Wouldn’t you want to switch over? By detecting this signal, LIGO has effectively tuned in to a new channel - a completely new way of observing the Universe.

Gravitational waves are so completely different from light, we’re probably only just beginning to understand how they reflect and shape our Universe. For example, a gravitational wave will propagate almost completely unaltered through entire planets, star systems, galaxies....how different is that from the radio waves that your mobile phone picks up - even getting too close to a building can disrupt those signals. Light, or more generally electromagnetic waves are so much more vulnerable to interference than gravitational waves.

I'm just going to point out that if I wanted to create the perfect SETI signal.  This would be the way to do it...

Our technology may have just reached the point where we can begin to hear constant beacons from civilizations though out the universe since the dawn of time that can both detect and generate gravitational waves.

We can take any discussion of SETI over to a SETI thread: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39571.msg1490597#msg1490597

Time to observe Tabby's star.
« Last Edit: 02/11/2016 04:25 PM by Star One »

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