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Taking Endeavour's tanks: Retired shuttle donating water tanks for space station
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-081715a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html

NASA's space shuttle Endeavour, retired and on exhibit in Los Angeles for the past three years, has been called back into service — or rather, parts of it have — for the benefit of the International Space Station.

A NASA team working this week at the California Science Center will remove four tanks from deep inside the winged orbiter to comprise a water storage system for the space station. The reactivated artifacts are intended to help free more crew time for science operations onboard the orbiting outpost by reducing the astronauts' involvement in refilling their water reserves.

"The ISS [International Space Station] program has been steadily increasing the amount of crew time dedicated to science and technology development [onboard the station] through initiatives like the water storage system," NASA told Endeavour's curators at the California Science Center, according to information shared with collectSPACE.

...Discovery, at the National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia, will be retaining its water tanks. Atlantis, which is still NASA property, recently had its tanks extracted from its display at the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex to support the same station water storage system.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #1 on: 08/17/2015 04:02 PM »
As long as Discovery is left intact, I have no problem with this. A smart move to (hopefully) save money.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #2 on: 08/17/2015 04:12 PM »
Are these areas available for public viewing?

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #3 on: 08/17/2015 04:32 PM »
What is the capacity of these tanks? Will they be transported inside Dragon, or inside the trunk?

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« Reply #4 on: 08/17/2015 04:41 PM »
What is the capacity of these tanks? Will they be transported inside Dragon, or inside the trunk?

Read the article.  Given the small size of the tanks, I don't see a compelling reason to send them up in the trunk.

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Endeavour's water tanks can hold a total of 300 liters, enough for about 75 to 80 days.

How and when the new water storage system will be flown to the space station was not specified.

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As long as Discovery is left intact, I have no problem with this. A smart move to (hopefully) save money.

That reminded me of one of Philip's articles - with Discovery protected as the "Vehicle of Record" (per the parts taken for SLS):

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/03/vehicle-record-sls-discovery-mps/

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #6 on: 08/17/2015 04:48 PM »
Are these areas available for public viewing?

Per the article, you can watch the work being done (from outside, of course).

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #7 on: 08/17/2015 05:19 PM »
To note a correction to the article (cited above):

Endeavour's water tanks can hold a total of 300 liters, enough for about 75 to 80 days.

The correct number is 25 to 27 days (the original number was based on just one USOS crew member, rather than three).

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I appreciate how nice it is to see shuttle hardware flying again. But this feels to me like an indicator of how bad things have gotten in American spaceflight. Scavenging 25 year old water tanks from a museum piece to expand capacity on the ISS? Please tell me we're not that hard up for cash in the US manned space effort. This feels like the dark days of Shuttle, right before Challenger, when crews were regularly borrowing parts from one orbiter to get another one ready for flight. If we can't afford to produce a set of new water tanks for ISS, we really ought to re-think what we're doing.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #9 on: 08/17/2015 06:24 PM »
I appreciate how nice it is to see shuttle hardware flying again. But this feels to me like an indicator of how bad things have gotten in American spaceflight. Scavenging 25 year old water tanks from a museum piece to expand capacity on the ISS? Please tell me we're not that hard up for cash in the US manned space effort. This feels like the dark days of Shuttle, right before Challenger, when crews were regularly borrowing parts from one orbiter to get another one ready for flight. If we can't afford to produce a set of new water tanks for ISS, we really ought to re-think what we're doing.

These were my thoughts exactly.  What's next -- salvaging the LH and LOX tank structures from the remaining S-IVB stages on display for the SLS upper stages?
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #10 on: 08/17/2015 06:50 PM »
There is a pragmatism here that should be commended rather disparaged. It is good to see NASA thinking of how to reduce unnecessary expenses. The tanks are located in a part of the shuttles that museum visitors cannot see. They don't do anything for the exhibit. Removing them and flying them will directly enable more science to be done at ISS for less money. The Shuttle was designed to be reusable. It is nice to think that at least a few parts of them will get to fly in space again.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #11 on: 08/17/2015 07:10 PM »
I appreciate how nice it is to see shuttle hardware flying again. But this feels to me like an indicator of how bad things have gotten in American spaceflight. Scavenging 25 year old water tanks from a museum piece to expand capacity on the ISS? Please tell me we're not that hard up for cash in the US manned space effort. This feels like the dark days of Shuttle, right before Challenger, when crews were regularly borrowing parts from one orbiter to get another one ready for flight. If we can't afford to produce a set of new water tanks for ISS, we really ought to re-think what we're doing.

Wrong takeaway.  It is a common practice.  Many of the crew support items use on the Spacelab modules came from the Skylab backup OWS.  There were many trips to the NASM to remove hardware such as lights.

And also not the same as borrowing parts from one orbiter for another.  This is a permanent loan.  The issue with the shuttle doing it was that the parts were a "loan" had to be "repaid".    There was the additional work and risk of removing and reinstalling the parts.  That was the problem.

This is just good stewardship of existing hardware by reusing parts

Edit:  Forgot to add that Magellan was made up of parts left over from Voyager and Galileo.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #12 on: 08/17/2015 07:14 PM »
These were my thoughts exactly.  What's next -- salvaging the LH and LOX tank structures from the remaining S-IVB stages on display for the SLS upper stages?

Great idea if it can work.  The point is that the stages were made to be flown and hence would not be on display in the first place.   I don't understand this worship of everything related to MGA over other projects and programs.   I have the same issue with people wanting to keep Hangar S or the Mercury Control Center Building.
MGA is so fifty years ago.  Let it go and lets move on. 

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #13 on: 08/17/2015 08:54 PM »
There's nothing wrong with an interest, or even passion, for preservation Jim. And advocating preservation is not necessarily worship.

The California Science Center didn't just default to handing over Endeavour's tanks. They held several meetings, with both internal and external parties, to weigh the trade offs between preserving OV-105 as delivered versus supporting an on-going program. Ultimately, as raised earlier in this thread, the fact that Discovery remains the orbiter of reference was why the science center felt it could part with the tanks.

Reuse is not always the best answer, but in this situation it was deemed a benefit.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #14 on: 08/17/2015 09:03 PM »
Smithsonian also allowed NASA to cut parts from both flown and unflown Apollo heatshields to aid with modeling for Orion.

I think part of the pragmatic reason is also not just the cost of buying a new tank which while not free, is hardly expensive either. But with NASA being NASA they also can't just buy some jugs off the rack and send them up, they would have to go through whatever level of review and testing NASA would require for confidence. The tanks from shuttle already have that confidence.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #15 on: 08/18/2015 03:45 PM »
I appreciate how nice it is to see shuttle hardware flying again. But this feels to me like an indicator of how bad things have gotten in American spaceflight. Scavenging 25 year old water tanks from a museum piece to expand capacity on the ISS? Please tell me we're not that hard up for cash in the US manned space effort. This feels like the dark days of Shuttle, right before Challenger, when crews were regularly borrowing parts from one orbiter to get another one ready for flight. If we can't afford to produce a set of new water tanks for ISS, we really ought to re-think what we're doing.

More interested in the reasons why after all these years of ISS operation the need is there "to expand capacity on the ISS"?  It's the "Why" the sudden need?
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #16 on: 08/18/2015 03:58 PM »
Thanks to all who followed my comment with their thoughts and insights. I still wonder about the wisdom of using 25-year-old plumbing in such a critical place. But I defer to all of you who are wiser and more knowledgeable on the details.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #17 on: 08/18/2015 04:03 PM »
Beyond that, whole spacecraft have been 'robbed' from NASM for use on-orbit:

http://www.airspacemag.com/space/a-tale-of-two-satellites-2690015/?no-ist

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #18 on: 08/18/2015 04:04 PM »
I appreciate how nice it is to see shuttle hardware flying again. But this feels to me like an indicator of how bad things have gotten in American spaceflight. Scavenging 25 year old water tanks from a museum piece to expand capacity on the ISS? Please tell me we're not that hard up for cash in the US manned space effort. This feels like the dark days of Shuttle, right before Challenger, when crews were regularly borrowing parts from one orbiter to get another one ready for flight. If we can't afford to produce a set of new water tanks for ISS, we really ought to re-think what we're doing.

More interested in the reasons why after all these years of ISS operation the need is there "to expand capacity on the ISS"?  It's the "Why" the sudden need?

Not sudden. The water-recovery system on-board ISS has been in dire straits for a number of years now. The theory of re-using as much water as possible was very nice but in practice it is proving to be a devil to accomplish to the re-use levels required.
Hence the need to store more water on the station.

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« Reply #19 on: 08/19/2015 10:06 PM »
Instead of these tanks, they should be designing and testing new types of water recovery systems from different suppliers, to see what works and to develop the system for Mars missions etc... but money and crew time talks, and we get this relief effort.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #20 on: 08/19/2015 10:15 PM »
I have heard that this had less to do with cost than with (I think) bureaucracy. The key aspect of the tanks was that they were already certified for flight, whereas any new hardware would have to be certified. I think (my memory is hazy on this) that it was not really a cost issue, but the time required to certify any new hardware.

After ISS is pushed into the Indian Ocean the Navy can go and retrieve the tanks for Endeavour.

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« Reply #21 on: 08/19/2015 10:49 PM »
Instead of these tanks, they should be designing and testing new types of water recovery systems from different suppliers, to see what works and to develop the system for Mars missions etc... but money and crew time talks, and we get this relief effort.

Who says they aren't working on all that in addition?  It would be foolish not to provide for the short term while continuing to work toward a system of tighter reclamation.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #22 on: 08/20/2015 12:55 AM »
news article with video of tank removal process:

SPACE SHUTTLE ENDEAVOUR DONATING WATER TANKS TO INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION

http://abc7.com/science/endeavour-donating-parts-to-international-space-station/947725/

Photo:
https://twitter.com/ABC7JohnGregory/status/634047053597769728/photo/1
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« Reply #23 on: 08/21/2015 02:46 PM »
Were these tanks ever removed and re-installed between actual Shuttle missions?  :)

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« Reply #24 on: 08/21/2015 03:07 PM »
I have heard that this had less to do with cost than with (I think) bureaucracy. The key aspect of the tanks was that they were already certified for flight, whereas any new hardware would have to be certified. I think (my memory is hazy on this) that it was not really a cost issue, but the time required to certify any new hardware.

After ISS is pushed into the Indian Ocean the Navy can go and retrieve the tanks for Endeavour.
Who does the Navy send the bill to for that?
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« Reply #25 on: 08/21/2015 03:10 PM »
After ISS is pushed into the Indian Ocean the Navy can go and retrieve the tanks for Endeavour.
Blackstar please ask them to ensure they don't overshoot the Indian Ocean and hit my state like they did with Skylab which is in our local museum.  They can pick up Skylab when they recover the tanks

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #26 on: 08/27/2015 12:50 PM »
Photo gallery providing a look at the water tanks' extraction from Endeavour and Atlantis:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082615a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html


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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #27 on: 08/28/2015 01:11 AM »
Photo gallery providing a look at the water tanks' extraction from Endeavour and Atlantis:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082615a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html



Thanks,  that answers my question about the status on the tanks of Atlantis.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #28 on: 08/28/2015 04:19 AM »
Any other parts of the shuttle they could recover without affecting the hull?

There's probably little interest for the fuel cells, but other parts?

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« Reply #29 on: 08/28/2015 02:51 PM »
Photo gallery providing a look at the water tanks' extraction from Endeavour and Atlantis:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082615a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html

From the text, it appears that NASA now has eight water tanks from Endeavor and Atlantis that will be launched full.
Do they plan on disposing of them when they are empty or return them for reuse? 
Single use would mean the whole effort would bring up about 800 liters of potable water.
How does that compare to the annual water budget?
How much water is being sent up each year?
Will it just be easier for the astronauts to plumb in these tanks than it is to transfer water from the bags in which it is currently launched?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #30 on: 08/28/2015 03:32 PM »
Photo gallery providing a look at the water tanks' extraction from Endeavour and Atlantis:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082615a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html

From the text, it appears that NASA now has eight water tanks from Endeavor and Atlantis that will be launched full.
Do they plan on disposing of them when they are empty or return them for reuse? 
Single use would mean the whole effort would bring up about 800 liters of potable water.
How does that compare to the annual water budget?
How much water is being sent up each year?
Will it just be easier for the astronauts to plumb in these tanks than it is to transfer water from the bags in which it is currently launched?
from Robert's article:
"The Endeavour waste water tank was shipped to the Kennedy Space Center for removal of some sensor and wiring components that will serve as spares for the storage system,"

It looks to be a permanent fixture for the ISS. I would imagine they will create a new plumbing system and use them (likely) in lieu of the PWC they now use (which do tend to leak, new or used).

So the question is (since space is at a premium on board the ISS): where will they be mounted? It has to be inside, and though they 'could' move them into position for re-filling the system, one would imagine a permanent location is best.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #31 on: 08/28/2015 04:31 PM »
Photo gallery providing a look at the water tanks' extraction from Endeavour and Atlantis:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-082615a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html

From the text, it appears that NASA now has eight water tanks from Endeavor and Atlantis that will be launched full.
Do they plan on disposing of them when they are empty or return them for reuse? 
Single use would mean the whole effort would bring up about 800 liters of potable water.
How does that compare to the annual water budget?
How much water is being sent up each year?
Will it just be easier for the astronauts to plumb in these tanks than it is to transfer water from the bags in which it is currently launched?
from Robert's article:
"The Endeavour waste water tank was shipped to the Kennedy Space Center for removal of some sensor and wiring components that will serve as spares for the storage system,"

It looks to be a permanent fixture for the ISS. I would imagine they will create a new plumbing system and use them (likely) in lieu of the PWC they now use (which do tend to leak, new or used).

So the question is (since space is at a premium on board the ISS): where will they be mounted? It has to be inside, and though they 'could' move them into position for re-filling the system, one would imagine a permanent location is best.
I'm guessing a ZSR near the recycling center or galley, its' just a matter of storing the ZSR Spares stuff in another location like the PMM. Nasa will probably make a mounting system and plumbing to attach the tanks into the current water system where they can be refilled quickly. They seem to be the right dimensions to all be placed into one or two racks and plumbed up roughly the same as they were in shuttle.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #32 on: 08/28/2015 05:42 PM »

I'm guessing a ZSR

Those are only for soft goods and such.  An ISPR or similar would be more likely.

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« Reply #33 on: 08/31/2015 01:51 PM »
Proposed Station Water System Looks to Retired Shuttles
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/proposed-station-water-system-looks-to-retired-shuttles

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The eight shuttle potable water tanks, each with a capacity of almost 20 gallons (75 liters) would provide 158 gallons (600 liters) of water storage capacity. Crew members on station typically consume about a gallon (3.8 liters) of water a day, so this new storage capability would provide roughly 25 days of reserve water for a typical U.S. segment crew of three.

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The water storage system rack will most likely reside in the U.S. laboratory due to available connectivity to the station’s existing potable water plumbing.

Deployment of the system currently is targeted within the next three to five years. Project details and plans still are being finalized,

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #34 on: 08/31/2015 09:25 PM »

I'm guessing a ZSR

Those are only for soft goods and such.  An ISPR or similar would be more likely.

Jim, you should know this. I expect more from you.
ZSR's (Zero G Storage Racks) are made of a generic and empty ISPR. "For both hard and soft goods" Usually configured as MDL compatible.
http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/NASA-Generic/NSTS_21000-IDD-MDK-RevB.pdf Section 3

The center bar can be removed to accommodate wide articles... Soft covers are usually shipped with the empty rack or on another resupply mission.
There is nothing similar to an ISPR. Japans ISPR, and NASAs ISPR are virtually identical. Hence "International" Cut from the same engineering drawings. Fluid/Electrical Connectors vary, not the ISPR.
No other partner has made anything "similar"
MPLMs, Cygnus's "storage racks" are permanent fixtures inside those PMs, not removable like the ISPRs that are often shipped inside them. The "Storage Racks" have roughly the same dimensions but again are not removable.

Again, I have done extensive research from multiple sources, start with these...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-9/html/iss009e10551.html
http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/International-Space-Station/SSP57000RE.pdf
http://snebulos.mit.edu/projects/reference/International-Space-Station/SSP41017RF_Part1.pdf
http://iss.jaxa.jp/kibo/library/fact/data/kibo-handbook_en.pdf
I have over 20 empirical evidence documents on the subject...

A ZSR will likely be emptied to accommodate modification for use with the water tanks as noted above.
It was and still is an educated guess. "Project details and plans still are being finalized"

What evidence do you have to support your "similar" rack?
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #35 on: 08/31/2015 09:54 PM »

I have over 20 empirical evidence documents on the subject...

A ZSR will likely be emptied to accommodate modification for use with the water tanks as noted above.
It was and still is an educated guess. "Project details and plans still are being finalized"

What evidence do you have to support your "similar" rack?


I do know it. 

My "evidence" is that I have work on ISPR's and ZSR's which beats "empirical book evidence".
There would be no ZSR to be "emptied" because  a ZSR is an insert in replaces an ISPR and is for soft stowage like CTB's and such and not hard and heavy items.  The ZSR would be removed or even another rack emptied and the water tanks would be hard mounted in the ISPR.   At over 160lbs, a full water tank with connectors and such is something that that would require better restraint than a ZSR.

This is the 1g equivalent of a ZSR.

http://www.organize.com/10-pocket-dual-shelf-hanging-closet-organizer-natural-canvas-by-household-essentials?___store=default&gclid=CLb28oyo1McCFYcWHwodJ_EOdQ

They will likely insert something like this

http://www.homedepot.com/p/ClosetMaid-Selectives-5-ft-10-ft-White-Basic-Closet-System-17029/205602375?cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-205602375&ci_sku=205602375&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969&gclid=CLuUxuyo1McCFYMWHwod5GYFJw&gclsrc=aw.ds

And mount the tanks standoffs to it and plumb the tanks just like in the orbiter (but in a different arrangement)

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38261.msg1416842#msg1416842

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #36 on: 08/31/2015 11:40 PM »
While I don't doubt your experience... and slightly off topic

Soft ZSR
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasa2explore/9774729874/
http://www.spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-17/hires/iss017e018973.jpg
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/507472main_iss026e011443_full.jpg
Hard ZSR (CHeCS)
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-13/med/iss013e36887.jpg
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/Medical_Monitoring3.jpg
Also see image attached
All ISPRs...

The MPLM (Shuttle2008)shot illustrates both types, and Piggy Back Pallets (6 soft type with containment boxes)and bungee restraint. There is also a net(web) restraint. I doubt they would use any of these methods for the water tanks.

IMHO, I doubt they will use shelves, more likely "V" brackets on braces like those used in the shuttle image you provided. Yes of course they will be hard mounted, and hard pluming is likely too. Again IMHO.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #37 on: 09/01/2015 12:10 AM »
Hard ZSR (CHeCS)


There is no such thing as a Hard ZSR. That is just a stowage rack (which some times was an ISPR).   ZSR were designed for use in zero g and to replace ISPR.  They were light weight and could be launched in a collapsed state.   They were only design to handle orbital loads.  And they were based on the 1 g closet insert concept.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #38 on: 09/01/2015 12:13 AM »
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The MPLM (Shuttle2008)shot illustrates both types, and Piggy Back Pallets (6 soft type with containment boxes)and bungee restraint. There is also a net(web) restraint. I doubt they would use any of these methods for the water tanks.


No, those are resupply racks and resupply pallets.  They are designed to handle the launch loads, but they stayed on the MPLM and only the stowage (contents) moved to the ISS.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #39 on: 09/01/2015 05:32 AM »
So is it fair to assume a rack will be modified for this purpose on the ground and then flown to station aboard HTV?
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So is it fair to assume a rack will be modified for this purpose on the ground and then flown to station aboard HTV?
That is a fair assumption.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #41 on: 09/01/2015 10:29 AM »
The rack in the picture is a RSR (resupply storage rack). ZSR's have a metal ispr mount frame at the front, for the rest they are made of fabric and zippers.

The eight spaceshuttle tanks will be hardmounted with plumming in a new ispr frame on the ground. The rack that is created is called WSS (water storage system) rack. The rack will most likely be delivered by a HTV during 2017.

From 2012 a additional live support rack is planned. Instead of aditional ATV missions ESA would develop the service module for orion and would develop the ACLS-rack (advanced close live support system). The rack will perform three proceses. Electrolysis, sabatier reaction and carbon absorption and concentration. I think this rack is also planned for 2017 and it will be located in columbus O1 or A1.


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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #42 on: 09/03/2015 07:38 PM »
A possible 5 tank configuration, minus plumbing and mounting hardware. Quick and dirty.

ISPR internal Dimensions 79" tall, 41" wide, 33.8" deep
Tank dimensions 16" dia, 36" length.

Just a wag, but it could work with the right mounting hardware and plumbing with room to adjust in all three directions.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #43 on: 09/03/2015 08:22 PM »
This may be notional:

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
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Fishing for news here, seems like it's been too long since any discussion.
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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #45 on: 05/11/2016 07:25 PM »
Fishing for news here, seems like it's been too long since any discussion.


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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #46 on: 09/01/2016 01:18 PM »
NASA reinstalls water tank reclaimed from space shuttle Endeavour
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-090116a-shuttle-endeavour-water-tanks.html

One year after its removal from the space shuttle Endeavour, a metal water tank has been returned by NASA to the California Science Center and reinstalled inside the retired orbiter.

The tank, which was used to collect waste water during Endeavour's missions in Earth orbit, was extracted from under the shuttle's crew cabin in August 2015, at the same time that four similar potable water tanks were also removed.

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Re: Retired space shuttles' water tanks removed for ISS
« Reply #47 on: 04/11/2017 03:45 AM »
OK they put the waste tank back in the orbiter, but what about 4 - 8 tanks that were supposed to go to the ISS? Last update was Aug 26 2015 found on Google.
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