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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #20 on: 10/30/2006 06:36 PM »
Static test Road was the former VIP site before it moved to near the Apollo Saturn V center.  It was only a little closer than the causeway

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #21 on: 10/30/2006 11:01 PM »
The paint on the tank was for "looks" wasn't it? Someone mentioned that once, but I find that really strange.

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #22 on: 10/30/2006 11:06 PM »
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The paint on the tank was for "looks" wasn't it? Someone mentioned that once, but I find that really strange.
No, to protect the foam from the  extended time at the pad

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #23 on: 10/30/2006 11:49 PM »
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Orbiter Obvious - 30/10/2006  6:44 PM

The paint on the tank was for "looks" wasn't it? Someone mentioned that once, but I find that really strange.
No, to protect the foam from the  extended time at the pad
--Could painting the ET white again add an extra layer of safety in regards to the foam issue, which I realize has already been mitigated considerably? ;)

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #24 on: 10/31/2006 12:02 AM »
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Could painting the ET white again add an extra layer of safety in regards to the foam issue, which I realize has already been mitigated considerably? ;)
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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #25 on: 11/01/2006 01:16 AM »
I had read that the paint was just for the "look" to make it look all nice and color matched.  By dropping the paint they saved a ton of weight.  Dont think the paint would do much to protect the tank foam, it was quite thin.  Look at the STS 3 photos and you can tell they still had some "white" hardware left off at the tank factory.  

The photos of the shuttle in the VAB really bring home the post a made a few months back about "remember when all the tiles on the bottom of the shuttle were nice and black".  They really do fade after a few entries.

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #26 on: 11/01/2006 01:35 AM »
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Zoomer30 - 31/10/2006  8:59 PM
 Dont think the paint would do much to protect the tank foam, it was quite thin.

No.
As I said, the paint was to protect the foam from the UV rays of the sun.  The foam breaks down when exposed to UV.  That's why the tanks darken as time progresses.

NASA knew the first few missions would have extended pad times.  And yes, it was removed to save 600lbs of weight once the pad times were to be reduced

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #27 on: 11/01/2006 06:29 PM »
It is great to see a STS-2 page.  I remember the flight very well.  I was very excited because the Space Shuttle was flying again and my history teacher let me(and the rest of class) watch it on tv.  STS-2 was my favorite flight of the first four test flights.  I have always been a big Joe Engle fan and I was happy to see him finally go into space.  Great photos and please keep them coming.  Keep up the great job. Thank you

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #28 on: 11/03/2006 03:31 PM »
STS-2 launch, November 12, 1981...

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #29 on: 11/03/2006 03:38 PM »

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #30 on: 11/03/2006 03:47 PM »

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #31 on: 11/03/2006 04:37 PM »
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Static test Road was the former VIP site before it moved to near the Apollo Saturn V center.  It was only a little closer than the causeway

For STS-2 there was another site off of Schwartz Road, roughly mid-way between the site at Static Test Road and the Press Site. That's where I watched that launch from, and that was also where a seperate bleacher section was set up for the crew family and friends. I had an old Super-8 mm movie camera set up on a tripod for that one, so of course, had no audio, but I also tape-recorded the sound...one of those long-lost "projects" to combine the two.) I also met John Denver at that launch, who's (much better) set up was right next to mine. Somewhere I have a pic from that day, with the VAB in the background to show the geographic persepctive, and will add it to this post if I can find it.
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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #32 on: 11/03/2006 04:53 PM »
This might be a good time to ask this - the crane atop the FSS, what was it's supposed purpose (or was it just a leftover from the Apollo days)?
When was it finally removed?
(interesting to note that the machinery structure/housing was left and is still there)

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #33 on: 11/03/2006 04:59 PM »

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #34 on: 11/03/2006 05:12 PM »
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MKremer - 3/11/2006  6:36 PM

This might be a good time to ask this - the crane atop the FSS, what was it's supposed purpose (or was it just a leftover from the Apollo days)?
When was it finally removed?
(interesting to note that the machinery structure/housing was left and is still there)

The Fixed Service Structure is located on the north side of each pad's hardstand. It is an open framework structure about 40 feet (12.2 meters) square. A hammerhead crane on top provides hoisting services as required in pad operations. There are 12 work levels at 20-foot (6.1-meter) intervals. The height of the structure to the top of the tower is 247 feet (75 meters), while the distance to the top of the hammerhead crane is 265 feet (81 meters). The 80-foot (24-meter) fiberglass lightning mast tops off the Fixed Service Structure at 347 feet (106 meters).
The Fixed Service Structure has three service arms. They are the Orbiter Access Arm, the
External Tank Hydrogen Vent Line Access Arm and the External Tank Gaseous Oxygen Vent Arm.
 
The hammerhead cranes were later removed (pad A in 1994 and pad B in 1995) due to the high cost of maintaining them. It was decided that, since a ground based crane could be used, it was cheaper to remove and scap them, than it was to refurbish them.

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #35 on: 11/03/2006 05:21 PM »
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MKremer - 3/11/2006  12:36 PM

This might be a good time to ask this - the crane atop the FSS, what was it's supposed purpose (or was it just a leftover from the Apollo days)?
When was it finally removed?
(interesting to note that the machinery structure/housing was left and is still there)

Those were there until a few years ago.  It was just a crane that was available at the pad.  The O&M costs out weighted the usefulness.  A mobile crane now does any of the work

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #36 on: 11/03/2006 05:25 PM »

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RE: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #37 on: 11/03/2006 05:26 PM »

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Re: STS-2: 25 years ago....
« Reply #38 on: 11/04/2006 03:02 AM »
Found that picture and edited it into the post above...you can see the VAB location and orientation and get a sense of where that viewing spot was in relation to it.
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