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Shuttle Tile identification
« on: 12/17/2010 11:03 AM »
I ordered a Shuttle tile for my school and I was wondering if anyone had any information on the tiles that they are using or can help me identify this particular one. It is TILE# V070-394024-036-009370. I haven't received it yet but it should be here any day. My students are very excited.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #1 on: 12/17/2010 11:08 AM »
Cool! And welcome to the site's forum. We've had threads like this before and they usually find where they were originally located, which orbiter etc. So this shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #2 on: 12/17/2010 01:07 PM »
serial starting with V070 normally indicates that is was a Rockwell item and could have been flown, normally when you buy a tile (or any shuttle related hardware) is should come with a decommissioning paper, indicating when it was taken off and which flight it was the last used on.

example digging here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19691.15
« Last Edit: 12/17/2010 01:24 PM by Jester »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #3 on: 01/06/2011 07:03 PM »
Hello folks,
I'm in the same situation as tlee, the original poster, regarding tile identification.

Our school receive tile #VO70-395908-046 -008211 and our principal has asked if I might be able to trace it to a particular location on the shuttle. I have doubts as to whether this tile 'saw duty' due to its condition, but regardless, it has created a nice buzz around the school.

Thanks for any help that someone can offer.
Jim

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #4 on: 02/18/2011 08:41 PM »
Me too - my school received a tile with ID# V070-394026-129-008682.

Since the latest documentation says we're not supposed to take it out of its shrink- wrap (let alone heat it up!), I would at least like to tell my students which part of the shuttle this un-flown tile was made for.

(I suppose they can calculate its density from the weight and dimensions - not exactly inspiring for the next generation of space explorers!)

Any help (and especially an image of the location, as some previous posters have obtained) would be greatly appreciated.

« Last Edit: 02/18/2011 09:51 PM by closette »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #5 on: 02/18/2011 09:23 PM »
I'm wondering: with all these tiles being given away to schools, we need to set up a template for each orbiter, with likely location points for each. Do we, or does NASA, have a template like that available?

Not to sound unkind, but with LITERALLY thousands of tiles, there will just as many requests.

Perhaps NASA can help us help everyone.  :)
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #6 on: 02/20/2011 05:38 PM »
I have never heard about shuttle tiles being given to schools. My wife teaches sixth grade science and would love to get a tile for her classroom. How does she apply to get one? Thanks for the help.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #7 on: 02/20/2011 05:45 PM »
I have never heard about shuttle tiles being given to schools. My wife teaches sixth grade science and would love to get a tile for her classroom. How does she apply to get one? Thanks for the help.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=shuttle+tiles+being+given+to+schools

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #8 on: 02/21/2011 04:35 AM »
I have never heard about shuttle tiles being given to schools. My wife teaches sixth grade science and would love to get a tile for her classroom. How does she apply to get one? Thanks for the help.


Thank you very much for the link. I have printed it out to give to my wife. We hope that there is a tile left for her school.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=shuttle+tiles+being+given+to+schools

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #9 on: 02/21/2011 02:58 PM »
Hallo all together,

I also never heard that a shuttle tile is given to a school. But that would be very cool.
Greatings
« Last Edit: 02/21/2011 03:21 PM by Chris Bergin »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #10 on: 02/28/2011 08:52 PM »
"December 3, 2010 NASA is holding a "baked-goods" sale for schools, but instead of tasty desserts, the space agency is offering something much hotter: space shuttle heat shield tiles.

NASA began Wednesday offering 7,000 of the black and white lightweight tiles to U.S. schools and universities that "want to share technology and a piece of space history with their students."

The tiles are free for the asking but following the "transfer protocol" for government property, schools must cover the shipping and handling charge -- a grand total of $23.40. That's quite the sale considering that NASA estimates its original acquisition cost was $1,000 per tile.

According to the tiles' manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, the baked silica squares originally cost NASA about $10,000 per square foot installed. Typically, tiles measure about a quarter of that or six by six inches (15.2 by 15.2 cm).

More than 20,000 tiles are installed on each space shuttle and each tile is designed to survive 100 trips to space and back. Varying in thickness from one inch (2.54 cm) to five inches (12.7 cm) depending on the heating they will be subjected to, the tiles collectively protect the orbiter from temperatures as high as 2,300 degrees Fahrenheit during its reentry into the Earth's atmosphere.

The silica tile material -- referred to as LI-900 or Lockheed Insulation-9 pounds per cubic foot -- insulates heat so well that tiles can be held bare handed on one side even while the opposite side is still red hot. Educators can demonstrate that ability in the classroom, substituting a blow torch for the reentry-generated heating.

NASA is fulfilling the requests for the tiles on a first-come, first-served basis. Qualifying educational institutions apply online through the General Services Administration (GSA) website:

http://gsaxcess.gov/NASAWel.htm

A part of NASA's on-going efforts to "preserve the shuttle program's history and inspire the next generation of space explorers, scientists and engineers," the heat shield tile offer comes as the space agency is preparing to retire its orbiter fleet next year. Two more missions are scheduled, with a third pending Congressional funding."

From: http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-120310a.html
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #11 on: 04/09/2011 10:14 PM »
Thanks to the help of the folks here at NSF, my wife recieved her Space Shuttle tile for her classroom this week.
The number imprinted on the exterior side is-

VO70-391036-079-009993

On the back is a code printed on a piece of paper that is sandwiched in between the foam backing and the shrink wrap.

The code is MC364-0006 TYPE 1

Does anyone know if this tile was ever used on an orbiter and if so, which one? Frankly, the tile looks in pristine condition and appears to never have been used, but it would be more interesting to her class if she knew if the tile came from a certain orbiter. Thanks again for all your help in obtaining a piece of space history for her classroom.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #12 on: 04/09/2011 10:58 PM »
After a little research thanks to a link provided by NASA with the tile -

http://artifacts.nasa.gov/tile_serial_numbers.htm

I have confirmed that all of the Tiles For Teachers are unflown artifacts. Based on the serial number guide, my wife's tile was designed to be used on an area of the forward fuselage, either on the upper part behind the nose cap or lower side behind the front landing gear. The exact location cannot be determined from that link, so if anyone knows a links that specifies the exact tile locations, I would love to have the URL. Thanks again.
« Last Edit: 04/09/2011 11:03 PM by Launchpad911 »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #13 on: 04/10/2011 12:19 AM »
... The exact location cannot be determined from that link, so if anyone knows a links that specifies the exact tile locations, I would love to have the URL. Thanks again.

I don't have a URL I can give you, but I did find your tile in a couple of L2 presentations that had partial tile map graphics.  I've marked 391036-079 in yellow.  The lower resolution picture shows the general location (ignore the colored circles, they just highlight something the original documents are discussing)

Click the images for the full size versions.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #14 on: 04/10/2011 06:19 PM »
Analogman,

Thank you very much for finding the location of the tile. I knew I could count on the membership of NSF to help me out. I have saved your files and my wife will be able to show them on the Smartboard she has in her classroom. Thanks again!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #15 on: 04/12/2011 05:38 PM »
I do know of one NASA template that at least for now is still in house use only. When researching a flown tile I have from Atlantis, NASA provided me with a computer screenshot of the tile location. The program they were using was called the Gap Filler Display Program. Maybe at some point it will become public domain.

As mentioned, the Tiles for Teachers tiles were never flown, but they do have unique serial numbers which are the 4th set of numbers in the string. If these tiles had been slated for use, then they may be able to identify which orbiter they were meant for based on that last number. Thats how they were able to ID where my tile came from and which missions it had flown on. You might be able to submit a FOIA request to NASA to find this out and since these are for educational use, you shouldn't have to pay anything.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #16 on: 04/19/2011 02:50 PM »
Another Tile ID request!

My info is this:
FRCS-9-01-0033
VO70-39 1005-195
Closeout
TP STS-9-B087
OML P1 9/82

This is what I've dug up so far:
FRCS = Forward Reaction Control System
STS-9 = Columbia Orbiter
OML = Outer Mold Line (but what is P1?)
VO70-39 1005-195 is location 391005-195
TP=?
B087=?

Any help in locating this tile is appreciated!  Or answers to the missing info.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #17 on: 04/29/2011 01:30 PM »
Is this a standard black or white tile or a Blue or Green tile? The description sounds like one of the filler tiles as I don't recall seeing that kind of detail on any regular shuttle tile. I have seen those kind of markings for the fit/filler tiles though.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #18 on: 04/29/2011 03:29 PM »
Thanks for replying.

The one piece of info I missed!  Yes it's a blue/green tile.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #19 on: 04/29/2011 04:17 PM »
Yep, then you have a fit check/filler tile. These were used either to test out shapes before the real tile was made, or used to fill a gap until the real tile could be installed for whatever reason. At least I believe that was their use based on my own research. Mind you there may be some people here with hands on knowledge that can provide better info than I regarding the use of these tiles.

Oh, and see this thread as it probably can help in regard to your tile's use...

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=24080.0
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #20 on: 04/29/2011 04:24 PM »
Thanks Airman!  That's good to know.

Does anyone know about some of the missing info?
TP=?
B087=?

And where I might be able to figure out where the tile is located?  I can't find the Gap Filler Program anywhere.  (Maybe not looking under the right rocks?)

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #21 on: 05/10/2011 11:20 PM »
OK, so far you guys have rocked.  Ready for one more? 
from the teacher program...
VO70 - 292106 - 005   008221

I've worked out from links on this thread that it is from the Rudder/Speed Brake, and obviously not flown.  Anything else I can find out would be awesome.  Thanks in advance. 

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #22 on: 05/11/2011 04:00 AM »
I've seen whole boxes of Shuttle tiles in both elementary school and high school science departments.  Is this exceptional?
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #23 on: 05/18/2011 07:38 PM »
Another tile from the "Tiles for Teachers" program. 

VO70-292100-063-008167

Since you guys have such a great track record thought I would throw another one out there for you.  I know that it is located somewhere on the vertical stabilizer, but after that the info becomes hard to find. 

Thanks

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #24 on: 05/18/2011 07:45 PM »
Another tile from the "Tiles for Teachers" program. 

VO70-292100-063-008167

Yours is from the same area as mine.  So, yes, Vertical Stabilizer, but more specifically the rudder/speedbrake. Since we are only 6 apart, I think we might be practically on top of each other.  Other than that, however, I think we might be SOL for further information.  I'll post here if I get a map some other way. 

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #25 on: 06/19/2011 09:15 PM »
V070-395924-107-008493, as shown.  My guess is aft heat shield / SSME dome, based on slightly rounded shape and beveled outer edge.

The attached NASA publication has a rudimentary chart that shows general positions (although it contains a figure that contradicts some of what the table shows). 

I think the tile in question is shown on the cropped RPM image attached.  Can anyone confirm?

Also, what are the round plugs (white with red middle) found on many of adjacent tiles in the RPM image?  The sample I have has a hole pre-cut for whatever it is.
« Last Edit: 06/19/2011 09:47 PM by jsmjr »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #26 on: 06/19/2011 11:18 PM »
V070-395924-107-008493, as shown.  My guess is aft heat shield / SSME dome, based on slightly rounded shape and beveled outer edge.

The attached NASA publication has a rudimentary chart that shows general positions (although it contains a figure that contradicts some of what the table shows). 

I think the tile in question is shown on the cropped RPM image attached.  Can anyone confirm?

Found a partial tile map that shows your tile location, although I'm afraid its not an ideal viewing angle for direct comparison with the photo you attached.  Images are copied from an L2 document (ignore the other annotations, they are irrelevant).

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #27 on: 06/20/2011 12:22 AM »
Those space shuttle tiles are pretty awesome. I got to hold one at the Oshkosh airshow in WI like 10 years ago. I was amazed how light and frail they feel.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #28 on: 06/20/2011 02:01 AM »
V070-395924-107-008493, as shown.  My guess is aft heat shield / SSME dome, based on slightly rounded shape and beveled outer edge.

The attached NASA publication has a rudimentary chart that shows general positions (although it contains a figure that contradicts some of what the table shows). 

I think the tile in question is shown on the cropped RPM image attached.  Can anyone confirm?

Found a partial tile map that shows your tile location, although I'm afraid its not an ideal viewing angle for direct comparison with the photo you attached.  Images are copied from an L2 document (ignore the other annotations, they are irrelevant).

Awesome, thanks, A-man.  Looks like I pegged it pretty close.  So what are those plugs?  Looks like a lot of tiles in that general vicinity are fabricated with holes to accommodate them.  Seem to relate to the fact that it's the first row of tiles on the SSME dome.  (Although as you can see in the RPM photo, there are also in some of the body flap tiles too.)

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #29 on: 06/20/2011 08:56 AM »
V070-395924-107-008493, as shown.  My guess is aft heat shield / SSME dome, based on slightly rounded shape and beveled outer edge.

The attached NASA publication has a rudimentary chart that shows general positions (although it contains a figure that contradicts some of what the table shows). 

I think the tile in question is shown on the cropped RPM image attached.  Can anyone confirm?

Found a partial tile map that shows your tile location, although I'm afraid its not an ideal viewing angle for direct comparison with the photo you attached.  Images are copied from an L2 document (ignore the other annotations, they are irrelevant).

Awesome, thanks, A-man.  Looks like I pegged it pretty close.  So what are those plugs?  Looks like a lot of tiles in that general vicinity are fabricated with holes to accommodate them.  Seem to relate to the fact that it's the first row of tiles on the SSME dome.  (Although as you can see in the RPM photo, there are also in some of the body flap tiles too.)

These tiles are mounted on removeable carrier panels - the holes allow access to fasteners that hold the panels in place.  Holes are typically sealed with RTV bonded FRSI plugs after panels are fixed in place.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #30 on: 10/04/2011 07:31 PM »
Another request.
I finally got mine, question is where is it from. no documentation came with
V070-193005-252
Jf9865

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #31 on: 10/04/2011 08:53 PM »
Another request.
I finally got mine, question is where is it from. no documentation came with
V070-193005-252
Jf9865

Your tile location is on the underside of the Left-Hand inboard elevon.  I've attached a couple of graphics showing your tile highlighted in yellow (click images to enlarge).

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #32 on: 10/05/2011 12:45 AM »
Another request.
I finally got mine, question is where is it from. no documentation came with
V070-193005-252
Jf9865

Your tile location is on the underside of the Left-Hand inboard elevon.  I've attached a couple of graphics showing your tile highlighted in yellow (click images to enlarge).

great thanks! So is the deal with these that they were slated as replacements but never used or just spares sitting around? Any way to identify what shuttle they were for?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #33 on: 11/10/2011 07:58 PM »
Similar location to above: V070-193001-097 JB4781.

I would greatly appreciate a schematic showing precisely where this thermal tile is located on the lower elevon. I have volunteered to design and build an appropriate display for my daughter's school to exhibit this important artifact and I would like to include a location diagram with the graphics.

Thanks, Chris 

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« Reply #34 on: 11/10/2011 09:58 PM »
Similar location to above: V070-193001-097 JB4781.

I would greatly appreciate a schematic showing precisely where this thermal tile is located on the lower elevon. I have volunteered to design and build an appropriate display for my daughter's school to exhibit this important artifact and I would like to include a location diagram with the graphics.

Thanks, Chris 

Here is an updated version of Anglomans image from above. You can see it there.

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« Reply #35 on: 01/04/2012 07:46 PM »
My wife's school also received a tile and would appreciate help in locating where it would have been mounted.  Much like Chris' (Harmonograms) desire, our hope is to create a display showing students/parents/visitors exactly where the tile would have been used.  The tile number is V070-395907-122-008828.  Judging from other requests I believe it is from the SSME area.  Thanks for your help!

Scott

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« Reply #36 on: 01/04/2012 09:05 PM »
Judging from other requests I believe it is from the SSME area.  Scott

According to SDS it is from the "Base Heat Shield, Lower Dome Half, Outboard"
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« Reply #37 on: 01/06/2012 07:03 PM »
Thanks for the help, OV-106.

What is SDS?  And where can I find a map like the ones above showing tile locations?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #38 on: 01/06/2012 07:50 PM »
Thanks for the help, OV-106.

What is SDS?  And where can I find a map like the ones above showing tile locations?

It's an internal NASA database, and those maps are on L2
SDS= Shuttle Drawing System

rough estimate:

take this image (or find a better one with a lower left SSME on it)
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-28/hires/iss028e015588.jpg

i cropped it, your tile is on the second ring (number 2 on my crop) around that area.
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« Reply #39 on: 03/01/2012 01:13 PM »
Hello there,

I recently owned a shuttle tile from an old lady who joined the D2 mission as a transpot logistic responsible. This tile was presented to her as a gift in 1999. Some Weeks ago I purchased this tile but without any documentation from its origin.

Due to the fact that the tile is damaged at an area were the ID is printed, its very difficult to me to identify this tile. The tile itself shows red RTV500 silicon applied on the back. Therefore I guess that thisone is also flown.

The tile schows following Rockwell ID:
VO70-191012 ‐ ?37 ‐ 008695 see attache image.
Does anyone got a clueto which orbiter this tile might belong? Or could someone tell me the area this tile was attached to the shuttles frame?

I know that some here have a kind of shuttle tile map. I would be happy to get any information as possible from you!

Thanks in advance

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #40 on: 03/02/2012 11:21 AM »
For the purposes of locating the tile on the obiter, only the middle part of the ID is needed; 191012‐?37.

Looking at the photo of the tile, it looks like the partially damaged digit has a row of 3 dots along the top and probably a column of dots in the upper left quadrant (bit difficult to see).  If so, this would restrict the number to 0, 5, 6, 8 or 9.

Searching through the limted information I have, I found tile 191012-037, which is located on the underside of the orbiter port wing.  This is part of a block of 123 tiles with the 191012 prefix.  Within this block the tiles are in three sub-groups which have sequential suffix numbers as follows: -009 to -050, -093 to -134, and -177 to -215.

I've attached high resolution tile maps showing the block/groups and tile 191012-037 (which could be your tile).

I do not know if there are 191012 tiles on the other wing in a matching location containing other possible matches to higher numbered suffixes.

Hope this is of some help.  Click on images to enlarge to full size.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #41 on: 03/02/2012 11:55 AM »
...wow... this helps me a lot! Thanks for the effort to localize the area.
But could you explain why the last numers 008695 of the hole ID arent important?
If I got you right the prefix number is just a hint for the tiles location?
Now it would be interesting to get to know from which orbiter this tile might be.

I'll try to identify the damaged number using a q-tip and some isopropanol. If I got more information I'll gonna post it.

Thanks anyway for your support

Best regards

Chris

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #42 on: 03/02/2012 07:14 PM »
...
But could you explain why the last numers 008695 of the hole ID arent important?

The last number of the full ID is the serial number of that individual  tile, and is the key to finding out the history of the tile.  NASA  databases will record whether it was a flown item or not, and if so  which orbiter it was attached to, dates it was attached and removed,  flight history (and probably lots of other stuff related to its  history).  Only NASA & Contractors have access to that information.

A  couple of folks on here have been able to get some documentation by  making a request to NASA under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) -  if you are a US citizen and really keen on getting such information you  might like to consider this route (but you might need to figure out that  damaged digit first).

I've attached a NASA guide to general tile locations based on the first six-digit number of the full ID.

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« Reply #43 on: 03/08/2012 05:05 PM »
Ok, well it seems that you are really food at this, so I would like to throw another one at you, if I might.

I just recieved mine yesterday, and of course, one of my studetns has already dropped it on the corner of something and not only put a nice cut in the top cornr, but also broke the plastic.....Uggh...

Anyway, here is the code
VO70-394504-336-010174

there is also another code on the back, on a little piece of paper stuck in between thetile and the plastic:
M0364-0006 TYPE 1

If you could send me a diagram of the locatation, and if the code on the back has any meaning, it would be greatly appreciated. I have only been able to say that it comes from bottom of the shuttle, 394XXX mid fuselage sides and lower.

Anything else would be great. The kids love it- even the one that dropped it....


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #44 on: 03/08/2012 05:24 PM »
Here are the maps of where your tile would have been located on the Orbiter.

The MC364-0006 Type 1 just meant that it was an LI-900 tile.



Ok, well it seems that you are really food at this, so I would like to throw another one at you, if I might.

I just recieved mine yesterday, and of course, one of my studetns has already dropped it on the corner of something and not only put a nice cut in the top cornr, but also broke the plastic.....Uggh...

Anyway, here is the code
VO70-394504-336-010174

there is also another code on the back, on a little piece of paper stuck in between thetile and the plastic:
M0364-0006 TYPE 1

If you could send me a diagram of the locatation, and if the code on the back has any meaning, it would be greatly appreciated. I have only been able to say that it comes from bottom of the shuttle, 394XXX mid fuselage sides and lower.

Anything else would be great. The kids love it- even the one that dropped it....


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7th grade math.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #45 on: 03/08/2012 08:28 PM »
That is really cool. Thanks for the super fast response.

Not to be a bother, but would it be possible to get a higher resolution drawing of the shuttle tile area, so I can make some sort of a display?

After one student dropped it, I think I am going to make an acrylic box to house it in, so it will not be damaged any further.

Thanks, and where are you getting the drawings for the shuttle anyway? is that available to the general public, or is it a secret NASA thing?

Thanks so much.
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #46 on: 03/08/2012 10:38 PM »
Here are some high resolution JPGs.
This program is not available to the public.

That is really cool. Thanks for the super fast response.

Not to be a bother, but would it be possible to get a higher resolution drawing of the shuttle tile area, so I can make some sort of a display?

After one student dropped it, I think I am going to make an acrylic box to house it in, so it will not be damaged any further.

Thanks, and where are you getting the drawings for the shuttle anyway? is that available to the general public, or is it a secret NASA thing?

Thanks so much.
dave

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« Reply #47 on: 03/08/2012 10:45 PM »
Welcome to the site's forum Mark. Appreciate you helping people find where their tile locations are on the TPS maps.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #48 on: 08/04/2012 02:34 AM »
It seems this thread it a bit old, but I'm hoping by some miracle those of you with access to the NASA software might still read it.  I'm trying to locate VO70-391016-438-010365.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!  Thanks!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #49 on: 08/04/2012 11:02 AM »
It seems this thread it a bit old, but I'm hoping by some miracle those of you with access to the NASA software might still read it.  I'm trying to locate VO70-391016-438-010365.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!!  Thanks!

Welcome to the forum.

I found your tile location - its on the port side of the orbiter, below and slightly forward of the crew access hatch.  I have marked it in red on the attached tile map (click on the image to enlarge).

By the way, this is the best thread in which to post such requests.
« Last Edit: 08/04/2012 11:02 AM by AnalogMan »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #50 on: 08/04/2012 12:46 PM »
I found your tile location - its on the port side of the orbiter, below and slightly forward of the crew access hatch.  I have marked it in red on the attached tile map (click on the image to enlarge).

Wow, thank you so much for the quick response and the attached image!!  I tried to find the location last weekend while visiting Discovery at the National Air & Space Museum.  However, between some of the thermal paint being worn off and not being able to get too close to the orbiter it was quite the challenge!  I cannot thank you enough for your help! 

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« Reply #51 on: 09/24/2012 03:05 PM »
Ok guys, can we help this nice lady? :) I don't mind if you have to use L2 docs to find.


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #52 on: 09/24/2012 06:22 PM »
Just for future reference:
https://twitter.com/spacespartan/status/250239190724378625

looks like number is: VO70-195002-356-009264

195XXX = Wings upper

Don't know where to find tile documents in L2. I'll be out for a bit, if someone can PM location I can look for this later tonight.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #53 on: 09/24/2012 07:28 PM »
Mark or Analog are the two people for that location find, so I'm sure that will be forthcoming today.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #54 on: 09/25/2012 05:53 AM »
Thanks Flightstar. I'm still looking! Found Gary Giles/Maria Vallas paper mentioning graphical displays using "tile geometry" (tile part numbers &c) to plot tile data. Fascinating. A shuttle tile is an amazing bit of history to have in your hand.


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #56 on: 09/26/2012 10:34 PM »
:( nope, not by me. Are Mark or Analog checking?

Went thru L2 Shopping List, there's a discussion but nothing definite [like "there be tile graphics here to check every tile"]. Checked every page on Shuttle Performance: Lessons Learned -- fascinating, but no tile diagrams. L2 search for SDS & Shuttle Drawing System, but nothing comes up. Several folks (including you, if I remember) mention tile diagrams in the FRRs (Flight Readiness Review). I found some, but not 195XXXs.

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« Reply #57 on: 09/26/2012 11:18 PM »
I know we have lots of maps via the DAT presentations on L2. But I personally don't have time to do a number check (as that would be visual). Hopefully Analog has time, as he can find anything! :)

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« Reply #58 on: 09/27/2012 06:49 AM »
I shall start checking the DAT presentations with the extreme hope that Analog will post this tile identification ASAP!

:)

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #59 on: 09/27/2012 11:07 AM »
I shall start checking the DAT presentations with the extreme hope that Analog will post this tile identification ASAP!

 :)
I've only found a near 'hit' for this tile - bit busy at present, but hope to post in due course.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #60 on: 09/29/2012 11:30 PM »
Tile 195002-356

As has already been noted by northanger, 195xxx tiles are located on the upper wing areas.  The general location diagram has been posted in other threads on this forum, but since it is not in this one I have posted it again in for easy reference. Link to original file is www.aeronautics.nasa.gov/pdf/tile_placement_chart.pdf.

I have not been able to find tile 195002-356 itself, but have found a couple of near misses on a fragment of an Atlantis tile map from a STS-132 DAT TPS (Damage Assessment Team, Thermal Protection System) presentation available on L2.  Tiles 195002-350 and 195002-351 are located on the upper side of the port (left-hand) chine area - this is the part of the wing/fuselage structure that is forward of the Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC) leading edges.

I've attached a copy of the relevant slide from the presentation with tiles 350 & 351 circled in yellow, and a close-up view of the map's 195002-xxx block (41 tiles).  The main tile map shows the view when looking at the orbiter from the left-hand side, with the crew access hatch to the left and the beginning of the wing leading edge at the lower-right.  (This slide is showing tiles that were missed during flight-day 2 TPS inspection using the orbiter boom.)

It's possible that the tile we're trying to locate is on the other side of the orbiter in a similar position.  There are minor differences in tile IDs between orbiters, so another possibility is that it may belong to one of the other orbiters on the same side (I could only find a map for Atlantis).  Either way, I think there's a good chance it is from that general area, left- or right-side upper chine.

(click images to enlarge)
« Last Edit: 09/29/2012 11:35 PM by AnalogMan »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #61 on: 09/30/2012 04:56 AM »
Great job AnalogMan :)

I see that block of 195002 tiles. So close!

btw, Because this is an upper wing tile, I checked CAIB Working Scenario document. It includes a tile diagram but 195002 is not on there.


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #62 on: 10/06/2012 12:59 PM »
Ok it is not the tile (195002-356)  but I found 195002-342 in one of my photos I took of Atlantis on September 17, I think it was replaced not to long ago compared with all the other tiles...

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #63 on: 10/10/2012 10:24 PM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan

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« Reply #64 on: 10/10/2012 11:23 PM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

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« Reply #65 on: 10/11/2012 12:03 AM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

Ahhh thank you!  A gentleman on twitter said he was going to ask, but I didn't have enough time at school to look through all of these.  Thanks so very very much!!

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« Reply #66 on: 10/11/2012 12:15 AM »
Thank you so so much!  This is fantastic!  It will look great under our ISS photo from when we made radio contact with Joe Acaba last May.  This made my day!

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« Reply #67 on: 10/11/2012 01:11 AM »
Hello! I'm a 6th grade science teacher in Flagstaff, AZ and we just received a shuttle tile for our school.  I have a shadow box for the tile and we would like to frame a print out of where the tile goes on the shuttle right next to it.  If anyone could help us we would really appreciate it!  The number on the tile is
V070-195002
-356-009264

Thank you for your time!
@spacespartan


Hey, you're the lady we're helping above! :) Read the posts above this one, they've been searching the location for you! ;D

Ahhh thank you!  A gentleman on twitter said he was going to ask, but I didn't have enough time at school to look through all of these.  Thanks so very very much!!

Yep, that was me! :) We're happy we could help!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #68 on: 10/19/2012 04:47 PM »
I just received my Tile and it was bit damaged on the sides and bottom.
 

I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.
The picture uploaded in the earlier message is close to it but doesn't include the tile.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #69 on: 10/19/2012 10:51 PM »
I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.
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Welcome to the forum.

I think I've found your tile but I'm trying to find a better tile-map graphic to show you where it is.  Will try and post something tomorrow.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #70 on: 10/23/2012 02:47 PM »
I'm trying to locate VT70-191037-027, I see that it is on the wing but I would like to see if I can get a picture of exactly where. In the general location anyway.

Tile 191037-027

This is an more interesting tile than average.  Its located on the door that normally covers the orbiter's left-hand main landing gear - specifically towards the front of the door and towards its outer edge where the door hinge is located.  The tile is of a type know as LI-900 which covers the bulk of the underside of the orbiters, and is a High-temperature Reusable Surface Insulation (HRSI) black tile.

I've attached a couple of tile maps showing the location this tile, and also a photograph taken by astronauts on the ISS of STS-132 (Atlantis) as she approached the space station carrying out the R-bar Pitch Maneuver (RPM) or 'back-flip' to photographically document any possible damage to the tiles.  Unfortunately I could not find a photograph from any of the orbiters which had a visible ID legend remaining.

Your tile is indicated by green highlighting - click on the images to enlarge to full size.

Useful information on the orbiter's thermal protection system (TPS) can be found here:
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/pdf/TPS-06rev.pdf

(Sorry for the delay in getting back to you!)

EDIT: added slide from STS-123 Flight Readiness Review presentation (available in L2) which shows the various tile types fitted to the LH main landing gear door.
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« Reply #71 on: 10/23/2012 03:50 PM »
Thank you so much this is awesome! ;D I am going to print out the information you gave to me and use it as a lesson in class. Also I might be presenting to elementary and middle school students, this information will be helpful.

Thanks Again
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #72 on: 11/14/2012 01:23 PM »
Recently I owned a small piece of AFRSI blanket taken from OV-099, removed after flight 41-G. The rockwell ID is

VO70-396-373-025

The number has been taken from the KSC problem report related to the item.

It has been taken from one OMU at the suttles aft. I know that some do have acces to identify the area the item was placed. Can anyone provide a tile map chart to see where the item originally has been?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #73 on: 11/17/2012 10:41 AM »
Hi All

I am new to this forum. I stumbled across it last night with my two boys as yesterday my dad presented me with what appears to be an authentic heat tile from one of the orbiters. We wanted to see if we could figure out what orbiter and possibly what missions this tile may have flown. Through your forum, I have only been able to figure out that this is a tile from one of the wings. The numbers on the tile are difficult to read...rubbed off quite a bit, but I can see that it is

VO70 191025
273-008227
It has another set of letters and numbers below the above numbers, with what looks like a 2 and ends in 000M
Underneath that is the word Instrumentation.

So we'd love to know what orbiter this tile is from, where on the orbiter it's location was, and what missions it flew.

My dad was in the Air Force for 27 years and his last assignment was at Cape Canaveral Air Station...he was involved with the shuttle program through 1985 when he retired.

He says the gray corner is a "repair" that was made to the tile...and the white chips and dings are actual damage to the tile. Unfortunately, he doesn't remember how it ended up in office at the Cape so long ago...he's got lots of samples of the soft fabrics that are on the undersides of the tiles as well.

I love everything space, especially the shuttle program. I saw every launch up close and personal from Columbia's maiden voyage from the Cape to the Challenger disaster from right outside the walls of my highschool. I even got to see a night launch from the Titan building...that was really cool.

Hope you all can help us out!

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« Reply #74 on: 02/15/2013 04:13 AM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).

In this second round of NASA giveaways, this time including some food packs, we also received a new white tile # VO70-391010 which has two ~ 2cm diameter holes neatly drilled through it and is an "interesting" shape. I can post a picture if desired.

A few of you on this thread have been extremely helpful to the posters who came after me - could I prevail on your expertise one more time to show me where these (now) two tiles are located. Like other teachers on this thread, I am planning a display for our school. Thank you!

P.S. This time around, we were compelled to certify that the tile would NEVER be removed from its shrink wrap! (Not so for the first one we received).

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« Reply #75 on: 02/15/2013 11:51 AM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).

In this second round of NASA giveaways, this time including some food packs, we also received a new white tile # VO70-391010 which has two ~ 2cm diameter holes neatly drilled through it and is an "interesting" shape. I can post a picture if desired.

A few of you on this thread have been extremely helpful to the posters who came after me - could I prevail on your expertise one more time to show me where these (now) two tiles are located. Like other teachers on this thread, I am planning a display for our school. Thank you!

P.S. This time around, we were compelled to certify that the tile would NEVER be removed from its shrink wrap! (Not so for the first one we received).

Good news, I think I found your first tile (V070-394026-129).

Your second tile might be more interesting, but I need the three digits that follow the main number to find an actual location (should be VO70-391010-xxx).  A photo would also be helpful to identify.

Don't have time to organise any graphics at the minute, but will try and post soon.

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« Reply #76 on: 02/15/2013 06:56 PM »
Thank you AnalogMan, I appreciate your quick reply to this older thread. I should have checked back more often since my earlier post.

A cellphone pic of our second, newly arrived tile is attached - I snapped it as I left my school since I thought it might be handy to have all the numbers. I can take a better picture, with a ruler for dimensions, early next week.

The tile with the holes has full number VO70-391010 -045-008023. I did read that the holes were for access to fasteners and would be plugged as part of launch preparation activities.

Yes, any graphics showing the tile locations would be great for our display, thanks again.

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« Reply #77 on: 02/18/2013 02:44 AM »
Why are the tiles set at a 45 degree angle on the belly?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #78 on: 03/11/2013 03:13 PM »
Hey, I guess I was too early being one of the first to post a request for a tile ID, back in reply #4 to this thread - but I never received an answer!

The tile our school received in 2010/11 had number VO70-394026 (black and white, picture shown in reply #4).
[...]
Good news, I think I found your first tile (V070-394026-129).
[...]
Don't have time to organise any graphics at the minute, but will try and post soon.
Sorry for the long delay in getting back to this.

Tile 394026-129

I've attached two images showing the location of this tile.  Its on the underside of the orbiter just off the centerline and forward of the right main landing gear door.  First is to give the general location - its a composite image with the forward part having tile ID numbers which are close to being readable if you squint at the right magnification!  (note these ID numbers are of the form 394026-129001).  The second is very readable.

(click on graphics to enlarge)

Most modern printers will allow images to be printed as posters (image is divided up and printed on several separate sheets, then stick together by hand).  I've attached a pdf version of the full orbiter map since Adobe Reader also provides a poster printing function in case your printer doesn't.

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« Reply #79 on: 03/11/2013 03:23 PM »
Thank you AnalogMan, I appreciate your quick reply to this older thread. I should have checked back more often since my earlier post.

A cellphone pic of our second, newly arrived tile is attached - I snapped it as I left my school since I thought it might be handy to have all the numbers. I can take a better picture, with a ruler for dimensions, early next week.

The tile with the holes has full number VO70-391010 -045-008023. I did read that the holes were for access to fasteners and would be plugged as part of launch preparation activities.

Yes, any graphics showing the tile locations would be great for our display, thanks again.

Tile 391010-045

Could not find your exact tile.  I was only able to find one block of 391010 tiles - these sixteen were on the crew access hatch door.  There are slight differences between the three surviving orbiters:
 
Atlantis & Endeavour -083 to -096, -126 and -127
Discovery -083 to -094, -123, -123, 125 and 126

My collection of tile maps is not comprehensive, so possibilities are:

the tile is elsewhere on the orbiter;
its on the hatch of an orbiter that I don't have a map for (Challenger or Columbia);
its on the hatch but part of an earlier tile allocation/design that was modified or never used.

Four of the tiles are mounted on two removeable carrier panels (two tiles each) and have holes in them for access to the fastening bolts.  On Discovery three of these tiles are black (High-Temperature Reusable Surface Insulation, HRSI), but on Atlantis are white (Low-Temperature Reusable Surface Insulation, LRSI).  The remainder of the 391010 tiles in this block are all white.

Looking at your tile it does appear very similar in shape to 391010-96/391010-123 and this tile does have two holes in the same place.  Also, from your photograph it looks as though the shortest side has the concave arc needed to match the inner ring of tiles that it butts up against.

On this basis I would say that there is a good chance that this is the location of your tile, and for some reason these tile IDs were modified during the lifetime of the orbiters.

I've marked this location in yellow on the maps.  Photos of Endeavour and Atlantis' crew hatch show the two carrier panels removed and in place (tile holes plugged with insulator) respectively.

The NASAfacts publication titled "Orbiter Thermal Protection System" is a good backgrounder to tiles and other insulation:
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/pdf/TPS-06rev.pdf

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« Reply #80 on: 03/12/2013 10:55 PM »
Hello! I just received a shuttle tile as well, but my number does not match the usual format. The black tile is stenciled with relatively small (compared to others) white text:

MISC-794-462-014

I looked all over and haven't seen any references telling exactly what it is; the closest I've found is the XXX014 (body flap), but I would think those tiles match the format of the others posted here. Like the others, I'd love to make a nice display case for it with a photo of its intended location/use if possible. Thanks in advance to any who might be able to help!

 

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« Reply #81 on: 03/13/2013 02:00 AM »
So that the streamlines do not run parallel to the gaps between the tiles, which would allow the hot gases to burn through the underlying airframe.
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Why are the tiles set at a 45 degree angle on the belly?

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« Reply #82 on: 03/20/2013 02:52 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm a volunteer at one of the museums with one of the remaining shuttles and a fellow volunteer brought in a tile for us to look at.

The serial number is VO70-199705-024 E29321

From what I can find, it's on the leading edge of the wing, and I'm guessing the upper side because of what I can see on our shuttle. If anyone can place the tile, I know my fellow volunteer will be very happy. Unfortunately I didn't get to take a photo, but it has an interesting notch cut in it.

Thanks!

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« Reply #83 on: 03/29/2013 08:31 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm a volunteer at one of the museums with one of the remaining shuttles and a fellow volunteer brought in a tile for us to look at.

The serial number is VO70-199705-024 E29321

From what I can find, it's on the leading edge of the wing, and I'm guessing the upper side because of what I can see on our shuttle. If anyone can place the tile, I know my fellow volunteer will be very happy. Unfortunately I didn't get to take a photo, but it has an interesting notch cut in it.

Thanks!


Bumping to remind some to help the above person.
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #84 on: 03/30/2013 09:33 PM »
Hello! I just received a shuttle tile as well, but my number does not match the usual format. The black tile is stenciled with relatively small (compared to others) white text:

MISC-794-462-014

I looked all over and haven't seen any references telling exactly what it is; the closest I've found is the XXX014 (body flap), but I would think those tiles match the format of the others posted here. Like the others, I'd love to make a nice display case for it with a photo of its intended location/use if possible. Thanks in advance to any who might be able to help!

I've never seen a tile ID like this before - no idea what its purpose is, or where it might be from.  Sorry I can't be of more help.

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« Reply #85 on: 03/30/2013 09:40 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm a volunteer at one of the museums with one of the remaining shuttles and a fellow volunteer brought in a tile for us to look at.

The serial number is VO70-199705-024 E29321

From what I can find, it's on the leading edge of the wing, and I'm guessing the upper side because of what I can see on our shuttle. If anyone can place the tile, I know my fellow volunteer will be very happy. Unfortunately I didn't get to take a photo, but it has an interesting notch cut in it.

Thanks!

Tile V070-199705-024

I've not been able to find this exact tile, but did find a group of seven tiles with IDs 199705-xxx.  Numbers were -037 -039 -041 -043 -045 -047 and -049.

As you already guessed, these tiles are located on the wing leading edge (left-hand in this instance) on the upper-side and are right next to the third RCC panel along from the fuselage of the orbiter.  The first four tiles listed are roughly 10:7 ratio rectangles, and the final three are very skinny rectangles (but may be quite thick).

I did find 199705-46 and 199705-48 on a tile map for the right-hand wing, and these were also next to the third RCC panel from the fuselage (but the map is a little confusing as the view partial and is from the underside of the wing!)

For these double rows of tiles along the RCC panels the numbering scheme seems to be as follows: 1997nn-xxx where nn is always an odd number, and each xxx number odd for the left-hand wing, and even for the right-hand wing.  Each xxx group of tiles is associated with an individual RCC panel and mounted on a removable carrier panel allowing access to the RCC mounting structures.  On the wing underside the scheme is a single row of tiles on carrier panel (next to the RCC panels) with numbers 1997mm-xxx where mm is an even number.

So if you have a good vantage point and a pair of binoculars, you might try looking in the area just behind the inboard RCC panels on the upper side of the wings (and since 199705-024 has an even number suffix, try the right-hand wing first!) - you may be lucky and find your tile if the numbering is not too faded.

Usual warnings that small differences in tile numbering schemes exist between orbiters, and numbers have changed over the lifetime of individual orbiters due to changes in designs, layouts, or tile types being  used.

I've attached a partial tile map of the left-hand wing of Discovery showing the 199705 block higlighted in red; a cross-section of the RCC panel and structures; and a photo of the right-hand wing of an orbiter showing the tiles on the upper wing edge.  On the photo you can see the four fastening holes (larger, white rimmed) in the outer tiles on each carrier panel (note these have more tiles than the inboard panels).

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« Reply #86 on: 04/01/2013 09:21 PM »
Thanks so much, I'm really looking forward to taking this in for my shift tomorrow and showing everyone, I know they will just as thankful as I am.

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« Reply #87 on: 04/01/2013 10:07 PM »
Any info on these would be appreciated - received by a school...

Thin White tile - V070-391143-204 JG0877  - SCRAP in red
Thick White tile 64642     10574
Thick Black tile VT70-191037-027   MN0101346

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« Reply #88 on: 04/08/2013 10:38 PM »
bump

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« Reply #89 on: 04/15/2013 09:40 PM »
I need help in verifying two tiles that supposedly flew on Enterprise. How do I do it?
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« Reply #90 on: 04/15/2013 09:50 PM »
I need help in verifying two tiles that flew on Enterprise. How do I do it?

Just saw your e-mail Allan and I was going to send you to this thread, so you're in the right place! :)

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« Reply #91 on: 04/17/2013 02:44 PM »
Is there some organization or individual that I can contact at NASA to investigate those 2 shuttle tiles?
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« Reply #92 on: 05/18/2013 01:13 AM »
Dang this is a cool thread, I wish NASA let individuals buy tiles. (not just schools/museums/institutions)
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« Reply #93 on: 10/08/2013 11:59 AM »
Was having lunch and Star Trek Enterprise was on. The episode involved removing a bomb from the hull plating.

Noticed that the close ups of the planting showed they all had serial numbers.....starting with VO70!

Lovely little hat tip to Shuttle there.

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« Reply #94 on: 12/10/2013 03:54 PM »
Hello
I am a new member here and I just bought some STS-55 flown Inconel. The piece is like aluminum, and is a rectangular shape that seems to have been a bit burnt. I was wondering if anyone knew where these pieces were located. And the part number is V070-199736-085. Serial No 000102. Reasons for removal is horse collar is torn and frayed, triangles are frayed, Inconel is bent, and FWD gap filler is destricing (That word was eligible) insulator.

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« Reply #95 on: 12/16/2013 03:06 AM »
I just noticed the tag indicates it is located from the Left Wing. Does anyone know what region of the left wing this would be used in? It also indicates it is from a carrier panel assembly.
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« Reply #96 on: 09/21/2014 02:42 PM »
Gonna bump because this thread is still proving quite useful.

I got ahold of another flown shuttle tile. This one claimed to be from Columbia but no supporting paperwork and can't do a FOIA request to be sure until I can get my eyes on it to verify the serial number since its hard to make out in pics. That will be a few weeks since I'm deployed for a while longer.

From what I can make out from the various angles in the pics I have...

GGG3?0-001
-TPS-3 E14794
V070-391003-084
Z?LL8390-000M
         837-000M

DEN

In this case a previous post of the forward port side shows that it was attached to the Forward RCS Module. Of course that makes things interesting because if I recall RCS modules sometimes switched shuttles depending on turnaround (correct me if I'm wrong there). If true this thing could have been on multiple shuttles in the same way the OMS pods were. It's definitely seen heavy use. Might just start digging through actual high res photos. That's a commonly photographed area.

I attached a couple pics and the tile map with said tile in blue. Also...anyone know what the DEN means? I've seen it on lots of tiles and have always been curious.

Edit: OK so if it was really from Columbia it never left her. Columbia was fitted with FRC2 which flew with her on every mission and was never used on a different shuttle.
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #97 on: 10/19/2014 02:15 AM »
Hello all, I have two tiles that I am hoping to get tile maps for. I hope I'm posting in the right spot.

These two tiles were supposedly installed on Challenger after its initial delivery to NASA from Rockwell. Apparently they failed some form of test or were found to be defective in some way. Like many others, I am wanting to display them and am seeking printable tile map files for each one. Any help would be very much appreciated.

LRSI Tile    V070 197002 066 008303
HRSI Tile (No printed numbers, only stamped on the rear all over the place)   V070 193008 then 9005 stamped below, then the following stamped underneath on an angle 200 2973X
(X indicates that I can't make out what number it is)

Thanks in advance!

Jay

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« Reply #98 on: 10/24/2014 02:46 PM »
Hello all, I have two tiles that I am hoping to get tile maps for. I hope I'm posting in the right spot.

These two tiles were supposedly installed on Challenger after its initial delivery to NASA from Rockwell. Apparently they failed some form of test or were found to be defective in some way. Like many others, I am wanting to display them and am seeking printable tile map files for each one. Any help would be very much appreciated.

LRSI Tile    V070 197002 066 008303
HRSI Tile (No printed numbers, only stamped on the rear all over the place)   V070 193008 then 9005 stamped below, then the following stamped underneath on an angle 200 2973X
(X indicates that I can't make out what number it is)

Thanks in advance!

Jay

Was not able to find tile 197002-066, but I did find two similar numbers (197002-177 and -101) on Endeavour which were located on the right-hand left-hand wing outer elevon on the top-side trailing edge (innermost corner).

I found a whole bunch of tiles starting 193008-xxx (a block of 26 tiles) on a Discovery tile map fragment.  These are on the left-hand wing inner elevon on the underside trailing edge and are probably around 5-6 inches in size in either dimension.  I've attached a pdf of the tile map with this block marked in red - I've also attached a general view as an image.  I don't know what the other numbers on this tile mean.

My collection of tile map fragments is limited, so maybe someone else has additional information on these tiles.

Note that tile numbering has variations between orbiters, and they have changed over time when new TPS arrangements have been introduced, but generally the six-digit prefix gives a good idea of location (see the general location map in one of the earlier posts)

Hope this helps a little.

Edit: corrected left/right error
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« Reply #99 on: 11/02/2014 11:57 PM »
I have searched and searched for the individual shuttle tile locator maps that AnalogMan has so kindly helped others locate their tiles.  Our department has 3 tiles that we would like to located exactly.  None are flown items.  Sure would appreciate any help and would be glad to pay a fee for the service of a PDF of them.  Wouldn't have to bother anyone if the maps were online......

VO70-195002        VO7O - 191001        VO7O - 395907
-203  009224         -120    009553        - 263   B62497

We would appreciate any help.  Thanks!!


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« Reply #100 on: 11/03/2014 01:10 AM »
I have searched and searched for the individual shuttle tile locator maps that AnalogMan has so kindly helped others locate their tiles.  Our department has 3 tiles that we would like to located exactly.  None are flown items.  Sure would appreciate any help and would be glad to pay a fee for the service of a PDF of them.  Wouldn't have to bother anyone if the maps were online......

VO70-195002        VO7O - 191001        VO7O - 395907
-203  009224         -120    009553        - 263   B62497

We would appreciate any help.  Thanks!!
I only had time to look up one of them. This is for VO70 195002-203. I'll try to take a look for the other two tomorrow.
This comes from one of the TPS assesments from the L2 side of the site which Chris was good enough to let me show on the public side. Your tile is the one I colored green (in the red line of tiles).

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« Reply #101 on: 11/03/2014 01:15 AM »
THANK YOU!! rayleighscatter  We knew it was somewhere along the upper leading edge but nothing more specific.  I really, really appreciate you!!  Thanks a ton!!

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« Reply #102 on: 11/03/2014 01:20 AM »
Question:  would a higher res version be available of these?  We are making a permanent display and would like to have an 11 x 14 good quality print of the map sections.
Thank you!!

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« Reply #103 on: 11/03/2014 01:36 AM »
Question:  would a higher res version be available of these?  We are making a permanent display and would like to have an 11 x 14 good quality print of the map sections.
Thank you!!
There isn't a single large tile map, much to the consternation of many. If you dig through various reports you can find pieces of maps, such as the one I posted (I didn't trim the image I posted, that was all that was in that image). It was embedded as some sort of cad or vector image so it can infinitely size up larger or smaller if you have some sort of tech boffin who knows how to do it. As for using information from the L2 side of the site for public use, you would need to get in contact with the site's owner about that.

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« Reply #104 on: 11/03/2014 01:53 AM »
Okay, thank you again.  I'm looking forward to the other 2 tile locations when you get a chance tomorrow and we are indebted to you for the help.  I will keep on digging - figured out the "L2" part of this and the cost thereof.  Will have to do it appears.  Again, thank you for your help.  Have a good rest of the everning!!

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« Reply #105 on: 11/03/2014 11:11 AM »
I have searched and searched for the individual shuttle tile locator maps that AnalogMan has so kindly helped others locate their tiles.  Our department has 3 tiles that we would like to located exactly.  None are flown items.  Sure would appreciate any help and would be glad to pay a fee for the service of a PDF of them.  Wouldn't have to bother anyone if the maps were online......

VO70-195002        VO7O - 191001        VO7O - 395907
-203  009224         -120    009553        - 263   B62497

We would appreciate any help.  Thanks!!

I did a quick search and found references to all three of your tiles - that number of hits doesn't happen often!  Rayleighscatter found the same info I did on the one tile.  Will try and post graphics on the others soon.

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« Reply #106 on: 11/03/2014 01:26 PM »
Thank you very much!!  We really appreciate the help from you both!  I would really like some info on how to get to the detailed CAD location maps on the L2 side.  We will join that this week to pursue it if that's the best way.  I do realize we will need permission to include them in a permanent display in a new building on the college campus.
Again, thank you so very much for your help!!

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« Reply #107 on: 11/03/2014 01:48 PM »
For specific tile requests, I wouldn't want anyone to join L2 just for that. L2 is supposed to be a facility where people who enjoy this site can support its crazy server costs by donating via a structured subscription service and in return gain access to our L2 areas.

So hold fire on that.

To L2 members who are already in L2. This is part the goldmine of TPS stuff:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=tags;tagid=1499

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« Reply #108 on: 11/03/2014 01:54 PM »
I see what you mean.  That list is tons of very interesting items that I would love to spend some time investigating.  I will see if we can add that in to the budget as a misc. item this January.
Thank you for your help! 

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« Reply #109 on: 11/03/2014 02:05 PM »
Thank you very much!!  We really appreciate the help from you both!  I would really like some info on how to get to the detailed CAD location maps on the L2 side.  We will join that this week to pursue it if that's the best way.  I do realize we will need permission to include them in a permanent display in a new building on the college campus.
Again, thank you so very much for your help!!

I should warn you that there are no specific collections of tile maps in L2.  What there are are loads of NASA presentations generated during Shuttle missions starting from first planning to final conclusions.  For each mission there might be as many as 50 - 90 official documents, only some of which contain fragments or partial views of tile maps, and fewer that are in highly zoomable vector graphics format.  As Chris has noted, use of the "TPS" tag in L2 will pull up lots of threads with relevant documents (but will still miss those with useful information that are not primarily aimed at thermal protection issues).

There is no automated way to search these documents within the L2 forum.  You have to download them first and then apply any tile ID searching to files (or collections of files) locally.  Only the vector graphics type tile maps contain text that can be automatically searched.  Bit-mapped images need eyeballs, and this is usually impractical unless you already know the likely tile location and also where to find an appropriate tile map.

If you are only looking for a couple of tile locations then it is probably better to post your requests here in the first instance to see if someone can help you out.

Still trying to sort some graphics for your tiles.

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« Reply #110 on: 11/03/2014 02:37 PM »
I understand - thank you.  I will keep up looking and asking here and I am really looking forward to any info you could pass along on our tiles.  I still want to put in for the L2 side since it would be beyond interesting to me.   We have acquired some other items including one of the frangible SRB hold down nuts.  There seems to be a good bit of information available on them - maybe since only 8 of those were used per launch.
Again, thank you for your help.

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« Reply #111 on: 11/03/2014 08:56 PM »
Tile V070-191001-120

Here are a couple of maps showing the tile highlighted in red. Its on the underside of the orbiter on left-hand side, just forward of the start of the RCC panels on the wing leading edge, and in-line with the left-hand main landing gear door.

I've added a couple of annotations to the general view bit-mapped images (click to enlarge, but resolution is limited).  I did not add these to the pdf's in order to keep the view as clean as possible - you can zoom in, copy and print views of to your hearts content.

If you don't have a large format printer available Adobe Reader gives you the option to make larger posters (document page or selected snapshot graphics views) by printing over several smaller pages which you then stick together.

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« Reply #112 on: 11/03/2014 09:12 PM »
Got the images - thank you again for your time.  This one I could find on the shuttle model I have 1/32 scale.  The third one is different shaped in that it is wedge with a large circular hole of about 27 mm diameter in the center.
Thank you!!

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« Reply #113 on: 11/03/2014 09:23 PM »
Got the images - thank you again for your time.  This one I could find on the shuttle model I have 1/32 scale.  The third one is different shaped in that it is wedge with a large circular hole of about 27 mm diameter in the center.
Thank you!!

V070-395907-263 is an interesting tile, it is located around one of the main engines (SSME).  Will try and get a clean graphic which shows this.

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« Reply #114 on: 11/04/2014 08:01 PM »
Got the images - thank you again for your time.  This one I could find on the shuttle model I have 1/32 scale.  The third one is different shaped in that it is wedge with a large circular hole of about 27 mm diameter in the center.
Thank you!!

V070-395907-263 is an interesting tile, it is located around one of the main engines (SSME).  Will try and get a clean graphic which shows this.

Tile V070-395907-263

Located on the Dome Mounted Heat Shield (DMHS) around SSME #2 on the left-hand side of the engine, slightly above the centerline.  Tiles (four rows) on this heat shield are mounted on split circular carrier panels which are fixed around the SSME after it has been installed.  The outer edge of the carrier bolts to the orbiter base shield area, and the inner edge supports a woven thermal blanket that seals the gap to a dome shield fixed to the SSME.  It acts as a sort of ball and socket arrangement to allow the SSME to gimbal.

A couple of photos and a tile map showing the location (and a pdf to allow high resolution views of the map).  Tile map view is from the left-hand side of the orbiter showing the body flap/SSME tiles.
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« Reply #115 on: 11/05/2014 03:53 AM »
We thank you so much for all your help on locating our tiles and we really appreciate your time helping us.  Sure is great being able to hold a part of a wonderful history of the space program and the more we all know of it, the better for everyone.  Again, thank you!!  Like most involved with it, you all went above and beyond.

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« Reply #116 on: 11/06/2014 04:36 PM »
Still looking for location info on these three - received by a school...

Thin White tile - V070-391143-204 JG0877  - SCRAP in red
Thick White tile 64642     10574
Thick Black tile VT70-191037-027   MN0101346

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #117 on: 11/07/2014 12:28 AM »
Your first tile seems to be somewhere near (probably above) one of the two portside flight windows. I found many tiles in that area with nearly the same number but they weren't complete tile maps.

Could you double check the second tile number? It doesn't seem to be a valid number, you can see the basic numbering they used here: http://artifacts.nasa.gov/tile_serial_numbers.htm

I did find your third tile though. It's located on the port side (left) wing landing gear door. I colored it green on this. If you find a picture of the underbelly with a high resolution (think greater than 3000x3000) you can probably specifically locate this tile by comparing it to the map.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #118 on: 12/02/2014 08:02 PM »
I have one more Shuttle Tile we'd like to specifically locate on an available tile map if someone could for us.  It's  395051 - 138.   Triangular shaped.  From the diagrams I've seen it appears to be on the Body Flap.  Sure would appreciate any help.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #119 on: 12/02/2014 08:46 PM »
I have one more Shuttle Tile we'd like to specifically locate on an available tile map if someone could for us.  It's  395051 - 138.   Triangular shaped.  From the diagrams I've seen it appears to be on the Body Flap.  Sure would appreciate any help.

Nope!

Its adjacent to an External Tank umbilical door (left-hand side) on the inboard edge.  I'll try and post a decent tile map in due course (might take me a couple of days to sort).

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #120 on: 12/02/2014 08:50 PM »
Thank you!!  We sure appreciate your help!! 

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #121 on: 12/02/2014 09:55 PM »
Here's one I was able to quickly grab.

AnalogMan, do you recall which presentation had the good vector image of the entire underside?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #122 on: 12/02/2014 10:14 PM »
Here's one I was able to quickly grab.

AnalogMan, do you recall which presentation had the good vector image of the entire underside?

Thanks for the quickie map of the door tile.

I don't think I've ever seen a good vector tile map of the entire underside - if you ever come across one I'd be most interested!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #123 on: 12/02/2014 10:18 PM »
Thank you rayleighscatter and Analogman.  We would sure be interested in a copy of a detailed underside map if you do see one.  Again, we so much appreciate your help.  Happy Holidays!!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #124 on: 12/02/2014 11:28 PM »
Thanks for the quickie map of the door tile.

I don't think I've ever seen a good vector tile map of the entire underside - if you ever come across one I'd be most interested!
Yes, One of the TPS assessments had an image of nearly all of the underside (maybe missing the wingtips?) in vector which was unusual, it wasn't a big image either because I remember having to zoom in about 2000% to be able to identify numbers. But I apparently didn't make note of which one it was. UGH!

Whitehat: Here's another better cleaner shot of your tile. Since I pointed it out on the other image I'll leave this one without marks. (It's still there just along the bottom edge of the fuselage by the door).

And in the offchance someone has better luck than me, I have a tile (flown even!) that I haven't been able to find in the L2 documentation: 391005-388
I think it came from the forward RCS just over one of the starboard nozzles, but I haven't been able to be sure. There's lots of good maps of the port side, but not of the starboard side.
« Last Edit: 12/02/2014 11:33 PM by rayleighscatter »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #125 on: 12/02/2014 11:47 PM »
Thank you for this image.  That will help a lot.  Wish I could help on your - a flown one at that!  Fantastic!!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #126 on: 12/03/2014 12:05 AM »
I have one more Shuttle Tile we'd like to specifically locate on an available tile map if someone could for us.  It's  395051 - 138.   Triangular shaped.  From the diagrams I've seen it appears to be on the Body Flap.  Sure would appreciate any help.

Nope!

Its adjacent to an External Tank umbilical door (left-hand side) on the inboard edge.  I'll try and post a decent tile map in due course (might take me a couple of days to sort).

Ok, I now realise that I already posted a larger tile map in an earlier post which has you tile on it.  Here's a pdf file with 395051-138 marked in red.  You should be able to print/annotate a suitable image for you needs.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #127 on: 12/03/2014 03:26 AM »
Thank you again Analogman for all your help. 

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #128 on: 12/03/2014 02:08 PM »
And in the offchance someone has better luck than me, I have a tile (flown even!) that I haven't been able to find in the L2 documentation: 391005-388
I think it came from the forward RCS just over one of the starboard nozzles, but I haven't been able to be sure. There's lots of good maps of the port side, but not of the starboard side.

I had a search through my own collections and found plenty of 391005 series tiles both on left and right sides around the FRCS nozzles, but not your specific tile I'm afraid.
« Last Edit: 12/03/2014 02:08 PM by AnalogMan »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #129 on: 01/25/2015 11:42 PM »
Well I wasn't expecting to post again so soon but unexpectedly another tile fell into my lap. This one happened to come with the supporting paperwork so I am sure this one came from Columbia (unless someone was really good at forging NASA disposition paperwork). It looks to have come from the areas around the SSMEs, but I've never been able to find a perfect map of the backside around the engines.

One thing I notice is that it appears to have been also donated as an educational piece It happens to come with educational type paperwork and has wear that coincides with tiles that have been handled a lot (the underside has been kinda rounded and looks to have been poked with finger nails). In addition, it appears to have been subjected to a blowtorch. There is some centralized discoloring. The SCRAP stamps which should be red have faded to an almost invisible black.

That said, it definitely looks to be worn for the area. It has a few repairs that match up with touchup NASA commonly did to chipped yet otherwise serviceable tiles.
« Last Edit: 01/25/2015 11:47 PM by AirmanPika »

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #130 on: 01/27/2015 09:09 AM »
Well I wasn't expecting to post again so soon but unexpectedly another tile fell into my lap. This one happened to come with the supporting paperwork so I am sure this one came from Columbia (unless someone was really good at forging NASA disposition paperwork). It looks to have come from the areas around the SSMEs, but I've never been able to find a perfect map of the backside around the engines.

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Had a search for your tile (395903-145) in my small collection of map fragments, but was not able to find it.

395903-xxx tiles do come from the Base Heat Shield around the SSMEs as you suggest.  I've attached a copy of a tile map with 46 of these series tiles marked in red.  The map comes from L2 and is used with permission.

(zoomable pdf file also attached)

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #131 on: 03/16/2015 10:32 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks to this thread. It was a huge help for my school project!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #132 on: 03/17/2015 12:50 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks to this thread. It was a huge help for my school project!

Welcome to the forum.  Glad that you've found the thread useful and that it has helped you with your project.
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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #133 on: 03/18/2015 01:01 AM »
fascinating thread...always wished to own a piece of history like these tiles.  Have to settle for living vicariously thru you guys :)
Tried to tell you, we did.  Listen, you did not.  Now, screwed we all are.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #134 on: 09/30/2015 03:21 PM »
Two new ones

V070-395907-106
V070-293400-064

Second appears to be vertical stabilizer somewhere..
First is aft fuselage somewhere - back around the SSMS business end?

Any info appreciated

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #135 on: 09/30/2015 09:05 PM »
Two new ones

V070-395907-106
V070-293400-064

Second appears to be vertical stabilizer somewhere..
First is aft fuselage somewhere - back around the SSMS business end?

Any info appreciated

I've had a quick look through info I have, but was not able to find either of these tiles.  Did find 395907 series tiles in the area you identified (I assumed you meant SSME).  Will try a more extensive search when I have time.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #136 on: 10/08/2015 10:51 PM »
Thank you! Looking forward to more information.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #137 on: 09/02/2016 04:18 AM »
Hi there -- I'm hoping the tile location wizards are still here.

I'm looking for the location of tile V070-399415-115. I've been able to use previous posts in this thread to get close -- reply #13 from AnalogMan, in particular, has an image with tiles in the 399415- series. Looking at that post, I can see a ring of 399415 tiles forming the first set of tiles behind the nose cap. That's an image of the starboard side of the orbiter. I'm guessing the 399415-115 tile is on the port side, or the top or bottom, not visible in the diagram. I'd love to know the exact location if anyone is able to help!

Thanks,
Matthew

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #138 on: 09/02/2016 04:54 PM »
Not 100% sure, but I think it would be on the underside, slightly to the starboard of centerline.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #139 on: 03/23/2017 03:53 PM »
Received a good one (college) - Looked at all the previously posted maps & found the series but no cigar.
(19.5 x 26.5 cm)  From one map found I do see the "193017-" but these on left side have 5xx numbers. It appears edge of control surface but right side.  Any known map help would be fabulous!!
V070-193017
497 GK3353
MR LWG 5-09-1019
MRLWNG-5-11-1232

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #140 on: 03/26/2017 06:20 PM »
That is a great tile seeing as it is a space flown tile.

I couldn't find that specific number but I found some of the other 193017-4xx tiles on the inside edge of the outer starboard elevon. Based on the shape of your tile and that the damage assessments show us the underside in detail, I'd have to make an educated guess that your tile came from the top edge somewhere in the line shown in the image below.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #141 on: 03/29/2017 09:58 PM »
Thanks for the help.  Area I was thinking too.  Sure wish the complete detailed "maps" were available and could be posted for all somewhere.  Would REALLY be interesting!! Sure would help all in locating too.  Thanks again!!

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #142 on: 05/10/2017 06:21 PM »
Hi all,

I have a tile I would like to find out more information on. It is a black 6" x 6" square and has a rather odd number:

VT70-006006-020-001009 BOTTOM D

All I've been able to gather is that this is a test tile, and likely was meant to go on the bottom of the orbiter.

My questions are, what do the other numbers mean? Can we tell where the tile would have went specifically, or which orbiter it might have been used with? What dates/time period was this test tile in use?

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #143 on: 05/10/2017 07:49 PM »
Hi all,

I have a tile I would like to find out more information on. It is a black 6" x 6" square and has a rather odd number:

VT70-006006-020-001009 BOTTOM D

All I've been able to gather is that this is a test tile, and likely was meant to go on the bottom of the orbiter.

My questions are, what do the other numbers mean? Can we tell where the tile would have went specifically, or which orbiter it might have been used with? What dates/time period was this test tile in use?

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.

As best as I can tell VT tiles are tiles for non-flight uses (testing, engineering, training, etc.). There doesn't seem to be any good information out there about these sorts of tiles though.

In all likelihood it was made from an existing template for a shuttle tile, and the 6x6 size is very common for tiles from the underside. Tiles were also made to be universal between orbiters (I think there's a handful of rare cases of variation among the 25,000 tiles though).

Time period is hard to pin down without any paperwork. I understand that in general tiles with solid number printing are from later in program and tiles with numbers made up in a kind of dot-matrix appearance are from earlier in the program.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #144 on: 05/17/2017 10:33 AM »
A reminder to keep an eye out for this stolen hardware being put on sale (which I guess could be around this period now the story has eased away from people's minds)....

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42715.0

Would be nice to catch the fool in the act.

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #145 on: 08/04/2017 11:30 PM »
I like the tile map diagrams. I've only seen these on press briefings.  Will there be a PDF version of these maps for research and model reference?  I know it's on L2, but what of a version for those not part of L2?

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Re: Shuttle Tile identification
« Reply #146 on: 08/11/2017 12:11 PM »
I like the tile map diagrams. I've only seen these on press briefings.  Will there be a PDF version of these maps for research and model reference?  I know it's on L2, but what of a version for those not part of L2?

Unfortunately I've not seen any 100% views of the tile maps. Unless something new cropped up on L2 in the last few years all we have are the partial views that showed up in press and technical reports. Its obvious there is a complete map for each orbiter somewhere but never made public.

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