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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #20 on: 10/03/2009 02:42 PM »
Do you know what is the object one can see at the junction between Blocks B/V/G/D/ and Block A ?

I think it is removed before launch, but it is still here during launcher erection.

http:// www. youtube.com/watch?v=3YpmFGCQ2bo

At about 1:50
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« Reply #21 on: 10/03/2009 03:25 PM »
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #22 on: 10/03/2009 05:41 PM »
That was a really nice video. The gray color shows so well inside. Can you  imagine this first vehicle as an ICBM in the MAB serviced by military personnel prior to rollout to a launch pad?

Off topic I know but compare the R-7 ICBM size (Soyuz in video) to it's contemporary Atlas ICBM.
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1958 launch vehicle highlights: Vanguard TV-4 and Atlas 12B

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #23 on: 10/11/2009 11:17 AM »
2001
11A511U-FG 15000-001 Progress M1-6
More probably 15000-001 from the previous year.

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2004
11A511U-PVB 15000-094 Progress M-53
11A511U-PVB 15000-095 Progress M-54
These should contain letter , not .

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2005
11A511U-PVB 15000-098 Foton M-3
This should be , not .

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2006
11A511U-PVB 15000-105 Progress M-62
This should be 15000-109.

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2007
11A511U-PVB 15000-113 Progress M-02M
Is it indeed, not ?

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #24 on: 10/11/2009 11:42 AM »
1997(?)
11A511U-PVB 15000-058 ST01 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB ??? 059? ST02 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB 15000-060 ST03 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB 15000-061 ST04 Globalstar
15000-059; I've also seen sources where all the four were listed .

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1998(?)
11A511U-PVB 065 Progress M-45
15000 again.

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #25 on: 10/11/2009 11:49 AM »

11A511U-2 002 Soyuz T-13
11A511U-2 007 Soyuz T-14

1985(?)
11A511U-2 15000-009 Progress 26
11A511U-2 15000-010 Progress 25
11A511U-2 15000-011 Progress 27

11A511U-2 012 Soyuz T-15

15000-005 Progress-20
15000-006 Soyuz T-12
15000-007 Soyuz T-14
15000-008 Soyuz T-13
and through 013 (first Soyuz TM).
15000-014 Soyuz TM-2
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #26 on: 10/11/2009 11:58 AM »
Soyuz-FG product 11A511U-FG
11S59-FG 1st & 2nd stage cluster - blok A, B, V, G and D
11S510-PVB 3rd stage - blok I

К15000-001Progress M1-6 
Ф15000-002Progress M1-7 
Э15000-003Progress M1-9http://www.energia.ru
Э15000-004Soyuz TMA-1 
Э15000-005Mars Express 
Э15000-006Soyuz TMA-2 
Д15000-007Soyuz TMA-3 
Д15000-008Amos-2 
Ж15000-009Soyuz TMA-4http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
Ж15000-010Venus Expresshttp://sci.esa.int
Ж15000-011Galaxy-14 
Ж15000-012Soyuz TMA-5http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
 013  
Ж15000-014Soyuz TMA-6 
П15000-015GIOVE-Ahttp://www.kosmonavtika.com
П15000-016GIOVE-Bhttp://www.kosmonavtika.com
П15000-017Soyuz TMA-7 
П15000-018Soyuz TMA-8 
Ц15000-019Soyuz TMA-10 
Ц15000-020Soyuz TMA-11 
Ц15000-021Globalstarhttp://www.kosmonavtika.com
Ц15000-022Globalstar 
Ц15000-023Soyuz TMA-9http://www.cosmopark.ru
Ш15000-024Soyuz TMA-12 
Ц15000-025RADARSAT-2 
Ш15000-026Soyuz TMA-13http://www.nasa.gov
Ю15000-027Soyuz TMA-14http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
Ю15000-028Soyuz TMA-18http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
Б15000-029Soyuz TMA-16http://www.flickr.com
Ю15000-030Soyuz TMA-15http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca
Б15000-031Soyuz TMA-17http://spaceflight.nasa.gov
Б15000-032Soyuz TMA-19 
Б15000-033Kanopus-V, BKA, MKA-FKI 
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #27 on: 10/11/2009 12:11 PM »
Soyuz-U product 11A511U
11S59 1st & 2nd stage cluster - blok A, B, V, G and D
11S510 3rd stage - blok I

К15000-11Kosmos 670 
Ф15000-21Kosmos 772 
Э15000-071Kosmos 869 
Э15000-075Progress 1 
Д15000-123Kosmos 1001 
С15000-128Progress 2 
Е15000-142Kosmos 1074  
Е15000-152Progress 4 
Ё15000-162Progress 5 
Ж15000-175Progress 6 
Ж15000-192Progress 7 
Ж15000-196Soyuz T-2 
Ж15000-200Progress 8 
Ж15000-210Progress 9 
П15000-219Progress 11 
П15000-232Progress 10 
П15000-235Progress 12 
Ц15000-283Progress 13 
Ц15000-287Progress 18 
Ц15000-292Progress 15 
Ц15000-302Progress 17 
Щ15000-318Progress 14 
Щ15000-335Progress 16 
Ю15000-363Soyuz SAS abort 
 372Soyuz T-8 
 379Soyuz T-9 
 417Progress 24 
 446Kosmos 1669 
Н15000-634Progress M-19 
Н15000-635Progress M-21 
Н15000-636Progress M-24 
 637  
Я15000-638Progress M-25 
 639  
 640  
Я15000-641Progress M-26 
 642  
 643  
 644  
В15000-645Progress M-29 
 646  
 647Progress M-30 
 648  
А15000-649Kosmos 2370 
С15000-650Progress M-38 
 651Soyuz TM-23 
 652  
 653  
 654  
 655  
 656  
 657  
 658  
 659  
 660Progress M-40 
 661  
М15000-662Soyuz TM-29 
 663  
 664  
 665  
А15000-666Soyuz TM-31 
 667Progress M-42 
К15000-668Progress M1-3 
А15000-669Progress M1-1 
 670Progress M-44 
К15000-671Progress M1-4 
 672Soyuz TM-33 
К15000-673Progress M1-5 
 674Soyuz TM-32 
Ф15000-675Soyuz TM-34http://www.energia.ru
 676  
Ф15000-677Progress M-SO1 Pirs 
Ф15000-678Progress M1-8http://www.energia.ru
Э15000-679Progress M-46 
Э15000-680Progress M-47http://www.energia.ru
Д15000-681Progress M1-10 
Д15000-682Progress M-48 
Д15000-683Progress M1-11 
Д15000-684Progress M-49 
Д15000-685Progress M-50 
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #28 on: 10/11/2009 12:37 PM »
1997(?)
11A511U-PVB С15000-058 ST01 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB ??? 059? ST02 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB С15000-060 ST03 Globalstar
11A511U-PVB С15000-061 ST04 Globalstar
М15000-059; I've also seen sources where all the four were listed М.

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1998(?)
11A511U-PVB 065 Progress M-45
М15000 again.


Novosti Kosmonavtiki in the past gave C15000 for the Soyuz and M15000 for the Ikar?

Soyuz 11A511U-PVB
С15000-058 Ikar 01
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/194/27.shtml
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/nk/1999/3/1999-3b.html
С15000-060 М15000-03
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/nk/1999/6/1999-6a.html
С15000-061 М15000-04
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/202/1999nk11.zip
http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/nk/1999/11/1999-11a.html
М15000-062 А15000-05
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/203/04.shtml

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #29 on: 10/11/2009 07:49 PM »
878M-PVB 77045865 Kosmos-2393
77045685

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #30 on: 10/11/2009 08:49 PM »
878M-PVB 77045865 Kosmos-2393
77045685


Once again the source of information was Novosti Kosmonavtiki.
Perhaps they should move away from just static archives of past issues and instead produce some sort of internet encyclopaedia?
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #31 on: 10/12/2009 06:06 AM »
So either 112 is incorrect... Or this is the first one out of sequence...

I think that number is correct - Ю15000-112 (one of the numbers out of sequence - the rocket made by 1 year later?)

Number fairings (from the pictures) and the number of rocket
M-65                          Ш15000-111
M-67    Ю15000-079?  Ю15000-112
M-02M  Ш15000-080   ?                   (I think Ш15000-113)   
M-01M  Ш15000-081   Ш15000-114
M-66    Ю15000-082   Ю15000-115

According to my source:
11А511У-ПВБ №Ц15000-113 Прогресс М-02М
Ц - this is correct?

Payload shroud / fairing

11S517A2
 044Progress M-43http://www.energia.ru
Ф15000- Progress M-45http://www.energia.ru
 057Progress M1-9 
Ц15000-071Progress M-58http://www.energia.ru
Ц15000-073Progress M-63http://www.energia.ru
Ш15000-077Progress M-64http://www.energia.ru
Ш15000-078Progress M-65 
Ш15000-080Progress M-02Mhttp://www.energia.ru
Ш15000-081Progress M-01Mhttp://www.energia.ru
Ю15000-082Progress M-66http://www.energia.ru
Ю15000-087Progress M-03Mhttp://www.energia.ru
Б15000-088Progress M-MIM2 Poiskhttp://www.energia.ru

11S517A3
Р15000-012Soyuz TM-12http://spacemodels.nuxit.net
М15000-029Soyuz TM-29 
А15000-031Soyuz TM-31http://www.energia.ru
Ф15000-034Soyuz TM-34 
Д15000-037Soyuz-TMA-3http://www.energia.ru
Ц15000-044Soyuz TMA-11http://www.energia.ru
Ш15000-046Soyuz TMA-12http://www.energia.ru
Ш15000-047Soyuz TMA-13http://www.energia.ru
Ю15000-048Soyuz TMA-14http://www.energia.ru
Б15000-050Soyuz TMA-16http://www.federalspace.ru
Ю15000-051Soyuz TMA-15http://www.energia.ru
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #32 on: 10/15/2009 02:14 PM »
Progress M-03M launch vehicle was 15000-120.
Soyuz TMA-16 launch vehicle was 15000-029.
It's sort of historic because launches of R-7 ICBM began in 1957 with number 1-5 through 1-12 and continued in 1958 with 1-13.
Since then, the numbering made two full rounds beginning with ("Beh"), first in 1958 and second in 1985. Now we see the beginning of the third full round.
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« Reply #33 on: 10/15/2009 02:21 PM »
878- 77045865 Kosmos-2393
77045685

Once again the source of information was Novosti Kosmonavtiki.
I know but this just doesn't make sense. All other known 8K78 numbers are in the 67X-69X range.
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« Reply #34 on: 10/15/2009 03:44 PM »
8А78М-ПВБ 77045865 Kosmos-2393
77045685

Once again the source of information was Novosti Kosmonavtiki.
I know but this just doesn't make sense. All other known 8А78М numbers are in the 67X-69X range.

There were until recently two available sources of Novosti Kosmonavtiki on-line - both showed the same 77045865. As I don't understand these numbers I did not change it.

They still show this. I ask Novosti Kosmonavtiki give us The Russian internet space encyclopaedia!

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/241/19.shtml

So should 71612697 Molniya-3 - October 1996 be 71612679?

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/numbers/137/08.shtml
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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #35 on: 10/15/2009 03:50 PM »
Progress M-03M launch vehicle was Ю15000-120.
Soyuz TMA-16 launch vehicle was Б15000-029.
It's sort of historic because launches of R-7 ICBM began in 1957 with number М1-5 through М1-12 and continued in 1958 with and Б1-13.
Since then, the numbering made two full rounds beginning with Б ("Beh"), first in 1958 and second in 1985. Now we see the beginning of the third full round.

I have come to the conclusion that these letters mean more then year of release, or production. And are either on a 27 year cycle or 14?

I had already spotted Ю15000-120, but Б for 2009... now I am confused...
 
My best guess
1958 & 1985 - Б
1959 & 1986 - И
1960 & 1987 - Л
1961 & 1988 - Е
1962 & 1989 - Т
1963 & 1990 - Г
1964 & 1991 - Р
1965 & 1992 - У
1966 & 1993 - Н
1967 & 1994 - Я
1969 & 1996 - Х
1970 & 1997 - С
1971 & 1998 - М
1972 & 1999 - А
1973 & 2000 - К
1974 & 2001 - Ф
1975 & 2002 - Э
1976 & 2003 - Д
1977 & 2004 - Ж
1978 & 2005 - П
1979 & 2006 - Ц
1980 & 2007 - Ш
1981 & 2008 - Ю
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« Reply #36 on: 10/15/2009 05:52 PM »
I have come to the conclusion that these letters mean more then year of release, or production. And are either on a 27 year cycle or 14?
I don't know for sure but my impression is that length of the cycle and the order of letters to the end of it differs slightly :-)

My version based on the first launch of a letter is as follows...

1958 & 1985 -
1959 & 1986 -
1960 & 1987 -
1961 & 1988 -
1962 & 1989 -
1963 & 1990 -
1964 & 1991 -
1965 & 1992 -
1966 & 1993 -
1967 & 1994 -
without changes to this place and then...
1968 & 1995 =
1969 (only) =
1970 & 1996 =
1971 & 1997 = (but no known launches until 1972)
1972 & 1998 =
1973 & 1999 = (but no known launches until 1974 and 2000 resp.)
1974 & 2000 =
1975 & 2001 =
1976 & 2002 =
1977 & 2003 =
1978 = (or again or both; but I've personally seen a steering device in the Kaluga space museum with a number starting with so this is not an error)
1979 & 2004 =
1980 & 2005 =
1981 & 2006 =
1982-1984 = , and again (both and were reportedly used in 1982 with starting flying in 1983)
2007 =
2008 =

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Re: Soyuz-U - Various Bits Of Information
« Reply #37 on: 10/16/2009 01:03 PM »
Stan Black,
can you color highlight the estimated serial numbers from
actually recorded (authenticated) serial numbers?

Thank you.

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« Reply #38 on: 10/20/2009 07:01 PM »
Another confusing thing is that R-7 are also refered to as the following

10М127С
10th machine of 127th series - 8K78M Н15000-294 Interbol-1

38th machine of 132nd series - 11A511U-PVB 14F138 Liana Lotos-S

12th machine of 133rd series - Soyuz-2.1B 14F137 Persona

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=450

http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/nk/1995/16-17/16-17-1995-2.html

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

What a wonderful source of information this forum is!

You should all be so proud.

Resurs-DK launched by П15000-096 the 34th rocket of the 132nd series. Now which rocket was intended for Resurs-DK and delivered in 2004*?
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« Reply #39 on: 10/21/2009 06:42 PM »
So to try and understand those first letters thought if it's based on delivery date to Baikonur...

Date at
Tyura-Tam
 RocketSerialExpected use 
18-06-1997   Progress M-35http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
16-10-1998 Soyuz-U660Progress M-40http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
16-07-20011.Soyuz-U672Soyuz TM-33http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
 2.Soyuz-UФ15000-677Progress M-SO1 
13-02-20021.Soyuz-UФ15000-675Soyuz TM-34http://www.pereplet.ru
 2.Soyuz-UФ15000-678Progress M1-8 
08/09-2002 Soyuz-FGЭ15000-003Progress M1-9http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
11-07-20041.Soyuz-UД15000-685Progress M-50http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
 2.  Resurs-DK 
30-01-20061.Soyuz-FGП15000-016GIOVE-Bhttp://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGП15000-018Soyuz TMA-8 
07-03-2006 Soyuz-U (PVB)П15000-100Progress M-56http://www.pereplet.ru
24-05-20061.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ц15000-101Progress M-57http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGЦ15000-023Soyuz TMA-9 
19-09-2006 Soyuz-U (PVB)Ц15000-102Progress M-58 
30-01-20071.Soyuz-FGЦ15000-019
or 020?
Soyuz TMA-10http://www.pereplet.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGЦ15000-021Globalstar 
17-07-20071.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ц15000-098Foton M-3http://kt.kz
 2.Soyuz-FGЦ15000-020  
24-09-2007 Soyuz-FGШ15000-024Soyuz TMA-12 
30-11-2007 Soyuz-U (PVB) Progress Mhttp://kt.kz
22-02-20081.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ш15000-110Progress M-64http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru
 2.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ш15000-114Progress M-01M 
24-07-20081.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ш15000-111Progress M-65http://www.federalspace.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGШ15000-026Soyuz TMA-13 
16-10-20081.Soyuz-U (PVB) Progress Mhttp://www.federalspace.ru
 2.Soyuz-2-1B Meteor-M 
16-12-20081.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ю15000-115Progress M-66http://www.federalspace.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGЮ15000-027Soyuz TMA-14 
16-03-20091.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ц15000-113Progress M-02Mhttp://www.federalspace.ru
 2.Soyuz-FGЮ15000-030Soyuz TMA-15 
29-05-20091.Soyuz-U (PVB)Ю15000-112Progress M-67http://www.interfax.by
 2.Soyuz-FGБ15000-029Soyuz TMA-16 
27-09-20091.Soyuz-U (PVB) Ю15000-117Progress M-04Mhttp://www.federalspace.ru
 2.Soyuz-2-1A Globalstar 
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