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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #100 on: 10/17/2017 10:28 AM »
It is possible Blue Origin will put New Glenn through a few suborbital launches with a simulated upperstage/payload before the first orbital launch, just to work out the bugs with recovery and reduce risk. I would be surprised in fact if this was not the plan. They haven't shown any evidence of being recklesssly hasty yet.
I'll point out that most of the up-thread mentioned first-flight failures were NOT the result of reckless haste.
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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #101 on: 10/20/2017 02:03 PM »
Said in a Blue Origin thread:

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Saw the ceiling cranes being delivered this morning at the factory under construction just outside KSC.

https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/921359188684689409

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #102 on: 10/21/2017 03:13 PM »
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A sign of the times ... @blueorigin  sign now at main entrance.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #103 on: 10/21/2017 03:18 PM »
Steven C. Smith @WordsmithFL

The ceiling cranes delivered yesterday to the @blueorigin factory. https://t.co/nwaBgwPLvB
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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #104 on: 10/21/2017 11:14 PM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #105 on: 10/22/2017 01:25 PM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #106 on: 10/25/2017 12:13 AM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #107 on: 10/25/2017 01:14 AM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #108 on: 10/25/2017 07:05 AM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.
That was my impression as well.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #109 on: 10/26/2017 05:21 AM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

A flawed way of thinking, IMO. Let me give you an example... The Pad 39A hangar has an opening that is ~12m high (or more) SURELY that means that it was sized to allow processing of a 12m diameter BFR, right?!?!? No.

You always need lots of clearance and extra margins in the factories. You don't squeeze out products that barely fit through external doors.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #110 on: 10/26/2017 05:33 AM »
They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

Anticipating building New Armstrong there too?
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #111 on: 10/26/2017 10:09 AM »
Steven C. Smith @WordsmithFL

The ceiling cranes delivered yesterday to the @blueorigin factory. https://t.co/nwaBgwPLvB

One of these: http://www.deshazo.com/cranes/
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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #112 on: 10/26/2017 12:34 PM »
They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

Anticipating building New Armstrong there too?
NA is likely be 3-5 performance of NG, so diameter that will take 21-35 engines. 

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #113 on: 10/26/2017 02:07 PM »
They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

Anticipating building New Armstrong there too?
NA is likely be 3-5 performance of NG, so diameter that will take 21-35 engines.

They could opt to develop larger BE-5engines for New Armstrong. Perhaps F1 scale engines or even larger.
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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #114 on: 10/26/2017 02:31 PM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

A flawed way of thinking, IMO. Let me give you an example... The Pad 39A hangar has an opening that is ~12m high (or more) SURELY that means that it was sized to allow processing of a 12m diameter BFR, right?!?!? No.

You always need lots of clearance and extra margins in the factories. You don't squeeze out products that barely fit through external doors.
Using the numbers in these posts, Blue's facility (compared to 39A) is about an extra 6m taller for a booster that is an extra 3 m in diameter. seems like these numbers imply they can keep 39A's margins and make a 10m booster. (Actually 39A HIF door seems sized with relatively small margins around the base of the TEL, so your claim and this extrapolation aren't valid)

We know they intend to build a bigger rocket eventually, if they have any clue what size it will be, it makes sense to make this factory big enough to fit it.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #115 on: 10/26/2017 06:56 PM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

A flawed way of thinking, IMO. Let me give you an example... The Pad 39A hangar has an opening that is ~12m high (or more) SURELY that means that it was sized to allow processing of a 12m diameter BFR, right?!?!? No.

You always need lots of clearance and extra margins in the factories. You don't squeeze out products that barely fit through external doors.

How is 6 meters of clearance on a 12 meter rocket "squeezing"? That's like saying I can barely squeeze under a 9 foot ceiling because I'm 6 feet tall.

The rocket isn't leaving the manufacturing space on a TEL. It's leaving on a transporter, which is under the rocket and only ~2m tall. A 12 meter rocket would fit as least as well as Delta IV cores fit in Delta Mariner:

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #116 on: 10/26/2017 07:26 PM »
My god those things are massive...   :o

Did somebody accidentally spec for fully fueled weight instead of dry weight? lol
Maybe they spec'ed it (and the ceiling height, and the doors) to be big enough for their next rocket..

No.

Scaling from that truck parked just inside, the door height and the hook height on the crane look to be around 18 meters (about 60 feet). That's massive overkill for a 7-meter (23 foot) New Glenn.

They could easily build a 12 meter or 14 meter monster in there that would make even the 2016 ITS look small.

I think I underestimated the door height. The door is 7.5 semis tall, and a mid-roof semi is about 11 feet without the stacks. That puts the door at 82.5 feet, which matches all too well with the reported "super high bay" height of 82 feet:
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2016/07/02/nasas-rubins-launching-international-space-station/86595062/

That's 25 meters high, easily enough to build a 15 m diameter vehicle.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #117 on: 10/27/2017 09:12 PM »
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Using the numbers in these posts, Blue's facility (compared to 39A) is about an extra 6m taller for a booster that is an extra 3 m in diameter. seems like these numbers imply they can keep 39A's margins and make a 10m booster. (Actually 39A HIF door seems sized with relatively small margins around the base of the TEL, so your claim and this extrapolation aren't valid)
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If you need to move one booster over another, you need exactly that extra 6m if your boosters are each 3m larger.
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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #118 on: 10/31/2017 05:50 PM »
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Logos up! @BlueOrigin's New Glenn factory at KSC getting close. Across the street, OneWeb facility also coming together.

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Re: Blue Origin Manufacturing site in Florida
« Reply #119 on: 11/01/2017 01:44 PM »
I really love the look of that building, not just a dull single color like so many others :)

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