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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #120 on: 03/02/2017 02:11 AM »
As for XEUS, there is no urgency on this project. It still needs flight proven ACES and more importantly a market.

Xeus can actually work just fine with Centaur, so you don't need a flight-proven ACES. But the lack of a government customer or commercial market part is what's keeping it on the slow burner. AIUI, Masten is still spending real resources on their part of their Lunar Catalyst work with NASA (who is also doing support via a non-reimbursable SAA), there's only so much that can be done without money changing hands.

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This video shows Masten testing their new hypergolic bipropellant MXP-351 in October of last year.
pic.twitter.com/D8bfccxkZX

The LunarCATALYST Space Act Agreement ends in August so NASA and Trump could sign new agreements that pay for results.
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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #121 on: 03/03/2017 11:32 AM »
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What if the @SpaceX V2 and/or the @LockheedMartin Orion were engaged as the transportation vehicles to and from the lunar depot?

https://twitter.com/roberttbigelow/status/836969249235062785

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If initiated soon, a lunar depot could be in operation by the end of 2020.

https://twitter.com/roberttbigelow/status/836990639560519683

So it's not just SpaceX with aggressive schedules! Although SpaceX has the advantage of customers for their 'moon shot'.

The key word is "if" initiated soon. Of course BA330 and ACES are both far along in development, but without a paying customer the plan won't be initiated.

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #122 on: 03/05/2017 05:27 AM »
Cross-posting as during Tory's interview he gives a good explanation of CISLunar1000:

Here's the show if you missed it, Tory's interview starts about 16:30 in:



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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #123 on: 04/03/2017 01:45 PM »
A question that spooks in my mind for quite some time is.. "How is ULA generating targets in CISLunar space?"

They want to sell their launch service to get to CISLunar space, and they advertise how many people are working there and how great their architecture is for that. But.. I dont get who is going to build and fund the CISLunar targets.

Is it congress? - No evidence so far.
Is it ULA them self? - Hard to believe.
Is it richindividuals? - Hear nothing of the sort so far.
Deep Space Missions, i.e. NASA? - So essentially congress.. (see above)


I am out of ideas..

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #124 on: 04/04/2017 02:55 PM »
ULA are webcasting today's CisLunar panel:

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ULA‏Verified account @ulalaunch 4m4 minutes ago

Hello from #33SS! Join us at 10:30amMT in the Rocky Mtn Ballroom A/B or http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx  to talk re: a self-sustaining space economy!

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/849272863739834368

Edit to add: also available via youtube:

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #125 on: 04/04/2017 04:32 PM »
The live stream has started.

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #126 on: 04/04/2017 06:14 PM »
New ULA video:


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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #127 on: 04/04/2017 08:43 PM »
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I'm excited to announce that @ulalaunch has funded me + @UCF & @coschoolofmines colleagues to develop lunar water extraction!
https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/849023097789460480

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Sweet! Any high level details you can share on which approach(es) you'll be investigating?
https://twitter.com/rocketrepreneur/status/849031028698107904

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Extraction methods that don't involve rovers hauling ore. There's a large trade space we'll be analyzing. CSM will work on hardware design.
https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/849064510392545283

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #128 on: 04/07/2017 12:32 AM »
There was a CISLunar 1000 Q&A session on facebook live today, replay can be found on ULA's facebook page:
http://Facebook.com/ulalaunch

Unfortunately it was pretty short and when I tuned in viewership was listed at around 40 people  :(

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #129 on: 01/04/2018 03:59 PM »
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Completed Lunar ice mining concept study for @ulalaunch yesterday. Bottom line: business case can close at ULA’s price!!

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948961636059983872

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Opens the door to profitable commercial development of the Moon. I repeat: profitable 😀👍🌔💵💵

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948963126791172097
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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #130 on: 01/04/2018 05:38 PM »
I think ULA price was purchasing water on lunar surface at $500 a kg. ULA still need to create 1kg of LH and LOX on surface to deliver a kg to EML1. Splitting water and creating liquid gases takes lot of energy about 7kwhr a kg of fuel.

The water to fuel production plant could all be contained in Xeus lander, just needs external power. 

Whether kg delivered to EML1 is water or fuel is yet to be decided. I'm of the option EML1 production plant is better. Cheaper to place, access to 24/7 sunlight and can be used for processing Asteriod water.

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #131 on: 01/04/2018 06:27 PM »
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Completed Lunar ice mining concept study for @ulalaunch yesterday. Bottom line: business case can close at ULA’s price!!

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948961636059983872

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Opens the door to profitable commercial development of the Moon. I repeat: profitable

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948963126791172097

But will it be as conclusive as the infamous "Reuse business case"?  :-X https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37390.0
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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #132 on: 01/04/2018 06:37 PM »
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Completed Lunar ice mining concept study for @ulalaunch yesterday. Bottom line: business case can close at ULA’s price!!

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948961636059983872

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Opens the door to profitable commercial development of the Moon. I repeat: profitable 😀👍🌔💵💵

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/948963126791172097

He had posted some additional details about this study earlier in the week:

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All three mining concepts we looked at close the business case. Of course, low TRL and many assumptions.

https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/947877496929902592

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #133 on: 01/04/2018 10:54 PM »
Without actual robotic exploration mission to determine how ice is contained in craters, this is all educated guess work.

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Re: ULA + CISLunar1000 roadmap
« Reply #134 on: 01/04/2018 11:24 PM »
Without actual robotic exploration mission to determine how ice is contained in craters, this is all educated guess work.
Even more than that.

You need to assay the resources to determine the amounts and where, you need to sample the resources longitudinally to assess the nature of production, resultant, impurities, processing, tailings, topography for equipment, support logistics for equipment, operating environment of equipment, pilot facilities and actual overhead/support of limited production. And more.

Haven't even got to the plant planning, tankage, and orbital transfer vehicles/landing/facilities/fueling/mission profiles yet.

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