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Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« on: 03/16/2012 01:13 PM »
OMG WHAT'S THIS!? Something new from Jiuquan at 05:xx UTC tomorrow!?  :o

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A0181/12 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N393509E1000000-N392150E0995703-N392056E1000357-N393415E1000654 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 17 MAR 05:00 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:35 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 03:08 2012
A0182/12 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N311612E0980325-N301228E0974857-N301026E0980112-N311406E0981546 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 17 MAR 05:00 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:39 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 03:15 2012
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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #1 on: 03/16/2012 01:34 PM »
I was about to talk about that! What can this be?

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #2 on: 03/16/2012 01:37 PM »
I was about to talk about that! What can this be?

The first drop zone is very close to JSLC (<200km), very peculiar indeed. And add this closure of one air route right in the first drop zone....

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A0183/12 - THE SEGMENT JIAYUGUAN VOR 'CHW'- YABRAI VOR 'YBL' OF ATS RTE B215 CLSD. 17 MAR 04:40 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:40 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 11:15 2012
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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #3 on: 03/16/2012 01:55 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #4 on: 03/16/2012 02:02 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

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How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?
« Last Edit: 03/16/2012 02:02 PM by Satori »

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #5 on: 03/16/2012 02:07 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

 ::)

How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?

It's just a crazy guess from the short range between the first drop zone and JSLC, comparing with the "nominal" second drop zone: don't take it too seriously (although I don't know if China can make something like the Russian Yantar-4KS/Persona).  :-[ I do wonder how far downrange do the CZ-2F boosters fall?
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Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #6 on: 03/16/2012 02:09 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

 ::)

How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?

It's just a crazy guess from the short range between the first drop zone and JSLC, comparing with the "nominal" second drop zone: don't take it too seriously (although I don't know if China can make something like the Russian Yantar-4KS/Persona).  :-[ I do wonder how far downrange do the CZ-2F boosters fall?

Ah disregard my crazy idea: the boosters for CZ-3C (the shortest burning stage for the whole current CZ family) travels > 300 km downrange...
« Last Edit: 03/16/2012 02:17 PM by Satori »
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #7 on: 03/16/2012 02:20 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #8 on: 03/16/2012 02:25 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

I would bet on that one! Maybe the KT-2 or something like that.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #9 on: 03/16/2012 02:28 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

Did the DF-31 ever flown out of Jiuquan (or at least known to the outside world)? Something like KT-2? However CASIC has not hinted at the re-start of the program for the past few years....
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #10 on: 03/16/2012 02:31 PM »
The strange thing here is the 130 km distance drop area. I think this would be consistent with a solid fuel launcher... I think...

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #11 on: 03/16/2012 02:53 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

I would bet on that one! Maybe the KT-2 or something like that.

Or an SC-19?

Nah...
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #12 on: 03/16/2012 08:35 PM »
The center of the first zone (A0181/12) is 166km from JSLC.
The heading of the second zone (A0182/12)as measured from JSLC is 191°.
Launch to be expected around 1pm LT (0500UTC) tomorrow then.
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #13 on: 03/17/2012 03:46 AM »
Looks like there's a launch after all.... (the post refers to that even the staff at the military communication post at JSLC are going to watch the launch). The problem is what is launching what?  :P

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #14 on: 03/17/2012 04:09 AM »
Well, let's hope news come early after the supposed launch time.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #15 on: 03/17/2012 05:02 AM »
Still no news about this one. Usual Internet sources are also silent about what might haven been launched on Jiuquan.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #16 on: 03/17/2012 06:15 AM »
NOTAMs has self-destructed with no new ones issued, and no orbital elements appeared as of now.
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #17 on: 03/17/2012 07:33 AM »
I'm starting to think that this thing was delayed or was a some kind of missile test.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #18 on: 03/17/2012 08:31 AM »
NOTAMs has self-destructed with no new ones issued, and no orbital elements appeared as of now.

A bit too soon after any Chinese launch at ~05:00 to have TLEs available!!!
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #19 on: 03/17/2012 08:54 AM »
Looks like this one was postponed!

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March TBD, 2012
« Reply #20 on: 03/21/2012 01:49 PM »
It can be noted that both NOTAMed zones were neither strictly aligned with JSLC nor between themselves...

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March TBD, 2012
« Reply #21 on: 03/21/2012 03:21 PM »
It can be noted that both NOTAMed zones were neither strictly aligned with JSLC nor between themselves...

Huh, brainstorming question for me.  :)  How definite is that launch will be in March?

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March TBD, 2012
« Reply #22 on: 03/22/2012 09:45 AM »
Oops! Apparently there are no rockets nor satellites in JSLC right now, or any launch within the next two months.

Maybe something on a sub-orbital launch?  ??? (unfortunately that will be very difficult to track)

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #23 on: 03/28/2012 07:57 PM »
No news about this Jiuquan launch?

It sounds surprisingly - announcement day before launch without rocket in launch center :o

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #24 on: 03/30/2012 10:06 AM »
No other informations about what happened there. Will remain a mystery for some time.

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #25 on: 09/25/2013 01:15 PM »
No other informations about what happened there. Will remain a mystery for some time.

Well one and a half years later..... can we now say this is a sub-orbital test flight of the Kuaizhou LV? Or could it have been a failed orbital launch attempt?

Edit: Another possible scenario: today's launch was once planned on 2012.3.17, but maybe some last minutes problem cropped up and the launch didn't took place on that day and ended up 1.5 years later?
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #26 on: 11/22/2014 12:52 AM »
Have we decided or is there any evidence that this was an actual launch which failed to reach orbit?   Or a KZ launch attempt which was scrapped before the first stage fired?

Reading on here and on the KZ-1 thread makes the situation very unclear, yet in the KZ-2 thread reference is made to this actually being a launch which didn't reach orbit.
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #27 on: 12/19/2016 01:19 PM »
EXPACE web site seems to accept the fact of the launch:



http://build.whir.net/htkg/index_12.aspx (see the 'History' timeline)
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #28 on: 12/19/2016 01:33 PM »
EXPACE web site seems to accept the fact of the launch:



http://build.whir.net/htkg/index_12.aspx (see the 'History' timeline)

......but calls it as the first flight of the "KZ-1T". That seems to lean more towards the theory that it was an  intentional sub-orbital flight.....  :-\
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #29 on: 01/13/2018 08:20 AM »
EXPACE web site seems to accept the fact of the launch:



http://build.whir.net/htkg/index_12.aspx (see the 'History' timeline)

......but calls it as the first flight of the "KZ-1T". That seems to lean more towards the theory that it was an  intentional sub-orbital flight.....  :-\

Would this have a launch code? Guess 01-48?
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #30 on: 01/13/2018 10:29 AM »
On Dec 17, 2017, it was reported that Jiuquan was being prepare for its 98th space launch which occured on Dec 23.
You must include the KZ-1T launch to come to the total number.
Its launch code could be 01-49; we know for sure 2011.08.18 was 01-47 and 2012.05.06 was 01-50.
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #31 on: 01/13/2018 10:55 AM »
On Dec 17, 2017, it was reported that Jiuquan was being prepare for its 98th space launch which occured on Dec 23.
You must include the KZ-1T launch to come to the total number.
Its launch code could be 01-49; we know for sure 2011.08.18 was 01-47 and 2012.05.06 was 01-50.

Perhaps I am being too logical here.   As far as I have noted these launch codes are goven to launches intended to reach orbit, so this means that the KZ-1T was an orbital attempt, right?

I seem to have codes 01-60 and 01-67 missing.   And we don't have launch codes (as far as I am aware) for the two KZ-1 orbital missions.
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #32 on: 01/13/2018 06:49 PM »
By the way, another statistical problem.

CALT lists ( http://calt.spacechina.com/n482/n505/index.html ):

2017.12.11 (CZ-3B, Alcomsat) as 170th launch of CALT
2017.12.26 (CZ-2C, YG-30-03) as 171th launch of CALT

SAST says ( http://www.sast.spacechina.com/n1323881/n1323961/c1786718/content.html ):
2017年12月23日12时14分,我国在酒泉卫星发射中心用长征二号丁运载火箭,成功将陆地勘查卫星二号发射升空。
At 1214 hours on December 23, 2017, China successfully launched [Land Survey Satellite 2] at Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center with [CZ-2D carrier rocket].
这次任务是长征系列运载火箭的第259次飞行,是八院抓总研制的长征系列火箭第88次飞行试验任务。
This mission is the 259th flight of the Long March series launch vehicle and is the 88th flight test mission of the Long March series of rockets developed by the 8th academy.

But how can 170 CALT launches and 88 SAST launches sum up to the total of 259 Long March launches? Which one is missed?
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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #33 on: 01/14/2018 03:07 PM »
By the way, another statistical problem.

CALT lists ( http://calt.spacechina.com/n482/n505/index.html ):

2017.12.11 (CZ-3B, Alcomsat) as 170th launch of CALT
2017.12.26 (CZ-2C, YG-30-03) as 171th launch of CALT

SAST says ( http://www.sast.spacechina.com/n1323881/n1323961/c1786718/content.html ):
2017年12月23日12时14分,我国在酒泉卫星发射中心用长征二号丁运载火箭,成功将陆地勘查卫星二号发射升空。
At 1214 hours on December 23, 2017, China successfully launched [Land Survey Satellite 2] at Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center with [CZ-2D carrier rocket].
这次任务是长征系列运载火箭的第259次飞行,是八院抓总研制的长征系列火箭第88次飞行试验任务。
This mission is the 259th flight of the Long March series launch vehicle and is the 88th flight test mission of the Long March series of rockets developed by the 8th academy.

But how can 170 CALT launches and 88 SAST launches sum up to the total of 259 Long March launches? Which one is missed?
I have checked the numbering system of CASC (which counts all CALT and SAST launches). According to this system the launch of LKW-2 was indeed the 259th Long March launch. But the same system counts 89 (not 88) SAST launches. I guess that the author has excluded the failed CBERS-3 launch.

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Re: Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« Reply #34 on: 04/19/2018 07:10 PM »
Well, the Shanghai statistics has suddenly improved :-)

For the March 31 launch of CZ-4C/GF-1 02-03-04 I found two versions of the numeration:

此次任务是长征系列运载火箭的第270次飞行,也是航天科技集团八院抓总研制的长征系列运载火箭第93次飞行试验任务
( http://xmwb.xinmin.cn/html/2018-04/01/content_3_3.htm , erroneous)
此次任务是长征系列运载火箭的第270次飞行,也是航天科技集团八院抓总研制的长征系列运载火箭第94次飞行试验任务
( https://wx.abbao.cn/a/7456-220e5632b1ee782e.html , correct)

For the April 10 launch, the correct version (95th Shanghai orbital launch attempt) was published:
此次任务是长征系列运载火箭的第271次飞行。也是航天科技集团八院抓总研制的长征系列运载火箭第95次飞行试验任务
( http://www.hkstv.tv/index/detail/id/64371.html )
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