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Jiuquan launch - March 2012
« on: 03/16/2012 01:13 PM »
OMG WHAT'S THIS!? Something new from Jiuquan at 05:xx UTC tomorrow!?  :o

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A0181/12 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N393509E1000000-N392150E0995703-N392056E1000357-N393415E1000654 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 17 MAR 05:00 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:35 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 03:08 2012
A0182/12 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY N311612E0980325-N301228E0974857-N301026E0980112-N311406E0981546 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.ALL ACFT ARE PROHIBITED TO FLY INTO THE AREA. SFC - UNL, 17 MAR 05:00 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:39 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 03:15 2012
« Last Edit: 03/22/2012 09:49 AM by Satori »
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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #1 on: 03/16/2012 01:34 PM »
I was about to talk about that! What can this be?

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #2 on: 03/16/2012 01:37 PM »
I was about to talk about that! What can this be?

The first drop zone is very close to JSLC (<200km), very peculiar indeed. And add this closure of one air route right in the first drop zone....

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A0183/12 - THE SEGMENT JIAYUGUAN VOR 'CHW'- YABRAI VOR 'YBL' OF ATS RTE B215 CLSD. 17 MAR 04:40 2012 UNTIL 17 MAR 05:40 2012. CREATED: 16 MAR 11:15 2012
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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #3 on: 03/16/2012 01:55 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #4 on: 03/16/2012 02:02 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

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How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?
« Last Edit: 03/16/2012 02:02 PM by Satori »

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Jiuquan launch - March 17%, 2012
« Reply #5 on: 03/16/2012 02:07 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

 ::)

How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?

It's just a crazy guess from the short range between the first drop zone and JSLC, comparing with the "nominal" second drop zone: don't take it too seriously (although I don't know if China can make something like the Russian Yantar-4KS/Persona).  :-[ I do wonder how far downrange do the CZ-2F boosters fall?
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Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #6 on: 03/16/2012 02:09 PM »
Solid launcher test? Shenlong spaceplane test?

Somehow I have a crazy vision of a NG CZ-2E launching from the 921 pad carrying a 4-6 tonne optical recon bird to SSO....

(an optical recon bird built by CASC and the Changchun Optical Institiute was reported to be launched soon, but we don't know what's launching it, other than it seems to be pretty powerful... (source))

 ::)

How!!! That would be amazing... do you have any more info on that?

It's just a crazy guess from the short range between the first drop zone and JSLC, comparing with the "nominal" second drop zone: don't take it too seriously (although I don't know if China can make something like the Russian Yantar-4KS/Persona).  :-[ I do wonder how far downrange do the CZ-2F boosters fall?

Ah disregard my crazy idea: the boosters for CZ-3C (the shortest burning stage for the whole current CZ family) travels > 300 km downrange...
« Last Edit: 03/16/2012 02:17 PM by Satori »
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #7 on: 03/16/2012 02:20 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #8 on: 03/16/2012 02:25 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

I would bet on that one! Maybe the KT-2 or something like that.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #9 on: 03/16/2012 02:28 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

Did the DF-31 ever flown out of Jiuquan (or at least known to the outside world)? Something like KT-2? However CASIC has not hinted at the re-start of the program for the past few years....
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #10 on: 03/16/2012 02:31 PM »
The strange thing here is the 130 km distance drop area. I think this would be consistent with a solid fuel launcher... I think...

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #11 on: 03/16/2012 02:53 PM »
Perhaps a solid fuel launcher like KT-1?

I would bet on that one! Maybe the KT-2 or something like that.

Or an SC-19?

Nah...
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #12 on: 03/16/2012 08:35 PM »
The center of the first zone (A0181/12) is 166km from JSLC.
The heading of the second zone (A0182/12)as measured from JSLC is 191°.
Launch to be expected around 1pm LT (0500UTC) tomorrow then.
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #13 on: 03/17/2012 03:46 AM »
Looks like there's a launch after all.... (the post refers to that even the staff at the military communication post at JSLC are going to watch the launch). The problem is what is launching what?  :P

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #14 on: 03/17/2012 04:09 AM »
Well, let's hope news come early after the supposed launch time.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #15 on: 03/17/2012 05:02 AM »
Still no news about this one. Usual Internet sources are also silent about what might haven been launched on Jiuquan.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #16 on: 03/17/2012 06:15 AM »
NOTAMs has self-destructed with no new ones issued, and no orbital elements appeared as of now.
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #17 on: 03/17/2012 07:33 AM »
I'm starting to think that this thing was delayed or was a some kind of missile test.

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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #18 on: 03/17/2012 08:31 AM »
NOTAMs has self-destructed with no new ones issued, and no orbital elements appeared as of now.

A bit too soon after any Chinese launch at ~05:00 to have TLEs available!!!
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Re: Jiuquan launch (?) - March 17, 2012
« Reply #19 on: 03/17/2012 08:54 AM »
Looks like this one was postponed!

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